Have you been paying attention to the Pro and it's games? They run fine and outside of one or two cases run better.
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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Have you been paying attention to the Pro and it's games? They run fine and outside of one or two cases run better.
Okami Haundo
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We have plenty of reasons to be skeptical about Microsoft's game output outside of third parties, but this leak doesn't confirm or deny anything on that front.
We see this with PS5 speculation as well. It's fun to speculate, but I'm not holding my breath for Sony to essentially yell "High end CPU! High end GPU! A butt-load of RAM! $399! We out!" *mic drop*
There will be serious compromises, just like with Scorpio.
geordiemp
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Rubbish man. So one or 2 devs have had game pacing issues (Japanese)....its a dev thing. Note is all Japan devs.
Ubisoft (watchdogs 2), EA (Titanfall 2 / BF1) and Activsion (Infinite warfare) all nailed pro perfectly, as most big western publishers have already got to grips with all the new techniques.
blue_phazon
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But compared to the OG Xbone, it is a large upgrade
What in the world are people in here talking about? I read through the article.
There's NOTHING that is disappointing or not what was expected.
It looks like the system is on target for 6TF at the minimum. It's a huge step up from Xbox One and significantly more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
I'm not sure if I'll buy it...with my PC already being more powerful, but I see the hyperbole arrived and took off.
The truth about what? The exact thing any sane person expected and was told. It's on target to be a 6TF system that is capable of 4k, or other enhancements.....just as they said it would be.
There's NOTHING that is disappointing or not what was expected.
It looks like the system is on target for 6TF at the minimum. It's a huge step up from Xbox One and significantly more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
I'm not sure if I'll buy it...with my PC already being more powerful, but I see the hyperbole arrived and took off.
The truth about what? The exact thing any sane person expected and was told. It's on target to be a 6TF system that is capable of 4k, or other enhancements.....just as they said it would be.
hanspampel
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not all animations have to be 30hz
just like Halo 5, where just the AI enemy animations are 30hz, while your animations and co-op player is still 60hz
GarthVaderUK
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Going by the specs, it's definitely more powerful than the Pro.
If we are looking at it from total flops perspective, the percentage jump from XO to Scorpio will be bigger than the jump from 360 to XO.
Yea, but after hearing about them jaguar cores, I'm surprised MS did not pull an Xbox 360 move and release a new gen in 2018 with higher specs (especially on the CPU side of things). They are still doing well with XBO, not great or pack leader, but well enough IMO where they could have possibly waited a year longer especially of there were going to try and become serious in VR space.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No game runs worse on Pro. That was some early games which have been fixed.
You should have a look at this thread
Miggytronz
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Whoa at this news.
Humdinger
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This is the guy who said the US was the only market that really mattered, and that all the other markets combined (aside from China) couldn't even come close to its size.
I wouldn't take what he says at all seriously.
This is old info, and even then it's still a substantial chunk more powerful than a PS4 Pro, which slaps around an Xbox One. If the target here is Xbox One owners, it's a huge upgrade for them, and will still allow significantly better visuals than a PS4 Pro.
I don't get the outrage here.
I don't get the outrage here.
GribbleGrunger
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Sorry, I meant it will sell better than the PS4pro initially; not that we should really be breaking the XB1/PS4 division up like that. After all, it is just a revised version of an existing console and not a new generation.
if we get incremental updates from MS/Sony every 3 years, then basically we'll never see 'big bang' console releases again. Even moreso if the two interleave their releases like this - you'll have maybe two years between Scorpio and whatever Sony call their next one
If that is the case, and if they stick with an x86 based architecture, then IMO it makes business sense to have full BC from here on out, and then you simply leave which consoles to support down to publishers. If EA sees it make sense to have a PS5 game that works on PS pro and PS4 due to numbers, then let them do it. Others may choose to just support PS5/PS pro and drop PS4 (or get a porting house to make a separate version for that platform). Likely the platform holder will do that too.
If that is the case, and if they stick with an x86 based architecture, then IMO it makes business sense to have full BC from here on out, and then you simply leave which consoles to support down to publishers. If EA sees it make sense to have a PS5 game that works on PS pro and PS4 due to numbers, then let them do it. Others may choose to just support PS5/PS pro and drop PS4 (or get a porting house to make a separate version for that platform). Likely the platform holder will do that too.
wapplew
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What struggle? Titanfall 2, BF1, IW, Overwatch, Forza, Halo, biggest and most popular titles already running 60fps on Xbox one.
4.5X more power console will only perform better, why are we so hung up on what CPU it use when the old one already get the job done.
Proelite
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Because fans wanted Ryzen, 8TF and HBM due to posters like Senjutsusage hyping them up lol.
Looks like this leaked white paper follows what's been hinted or indicated all along.
They've stated before that games that reach 1080p30/60 on XBO should be able to reach 4k30/60 on Scorpio. So it'll be interesting to see if any developers use checkerboard rendering instead to give them some wiggle room to improve the quality of effects instead.
What lead you to believe or hope Scorpio would be 2x the power of the Pro? Everything known so far has pointed to a 40% leap in performance.
They've stated before that games that reach 1080p30/60 on XBO should be able to reach 4k30/60 on Scorpio. So it'll be interesting to see if any developers use checkerboard rendering instead to give them some wiggle room to improve the quality of effects instead.
What lead you to believe or hope Scorpio would be 2x the power of the Pro? Everything known so far has pointed to a 40% leap in performance.
Oh, I know, it just seems to me like every day I come up here or other gaming sites, all people seem to be talking about is how many pixels can be pushed, or how many TFLOPS something has, or what framerate games run at, and it gets tiring. I'm probably in the wrong thread to be voicing these concerns in though haha
You had people expecting this thing to reign in a new gen and have mind blowing graphics over everything else on the market. You had people expecting exclusive games for this as well.
Plenty of people said not to get hung up on it. What's leaked here is what any rational person was expecting. It'll act just like the Pro. Games will have better iq, textures etc but don't expect games to look drastically different than what you see on the Pro.
And XBO targets 2x X360 resolution, Scorpio targets 4X XBO resolution, there goes lots of flops.
MilkyJoe
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If true, it's not balanced though, as he said.
I wonder if Albert is excited reading this thread?
The most powerful console with the best services and backwards compatibility. Plenty of reasons to be excited. As far as games go, it of course will have the best versions of all of the big mutiplats and Microsoft will certainly bring more of their own games to the table as well. They always do.
Salty Rice
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Samurai G0SU
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Head.spawn
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ultrazilla
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Yes, I felt the same way. That Scorpio was going to be a proper high end 4K gaming console that would be substantially more powerful than the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro.
It appears to simply be a Xbox One S Pro
longdi
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Which is a given with the extra year in development.
As it seems for now, if MS is just following Sony footsteps, then im not sure 'waiting' another year is a good move. I say 'waiting' because Scorpio may just be a reactionary step.
ethomaz
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Zen CPU Arch from AMD marketing (the CPU was not released yet) is suppose to reach close to actual IPC (instructions per cycle) and power draw of Intel CPUs... something AMD lacks in the last decade being crushed by Intel in CPU performance.
So it everything goes right then AMD will launch a new CPU Arch on par with at least Skylake from Intel.
But that is easy than done and AMD just showed prefabricated demos until now.
Jaguar is like the low tier of AMD lineup from 5 years ago... it is probably weaker than Atom or ARM actually.
LordOcidax
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Intensive graphics games... hell no. The same type of 40k60 games that the PS4Pro have..yes and maybe some first party games.
Microsoft's marketing seems to care a great deal about native 4K.
FrankWza
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How will it have the best versions of multi platform games? If they both do 1080 @60 fps or 1080 @30 locked. Or are you talking 4k?
Can you please point me out which console was more powerful before ps4 pro, wii u?
Duxxy3
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Can someone add Phil Spencer to this?
What did he lie about?
So it only needs some third party games and be the most powerful? Yeah no
Yes, that is all it really needs. See xbox 360.
Maintenance
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Pretty much exactly as I expected. Aside from unrealistic expectations how would this be disappointing? If the gap was 'massive' and 'made the choice of systems to play multi-platform games on easy' why would this be anything different?
And then everyone would be setting fire to it for that. Microsoft is going to get roasted on GAF no matter what they do. It's actually pretty comical at this point.
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
Please add "North America"
Sho_Nuff82
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Can someone add Phil Spencer to this?
They announced the actual FLOPs performance in a giant powerpoint slide on stage at E3 last year. Where is the lie?
Ya'll out here looking for secret sauce in every hardware announcement, even though everyone has switched (ha) to completely conventional architecture with predictable performance. Nowadays, everything is exactly what it says on the box.
Ouch.
Correct. And for Microsoft's part, if Scorpio wasn't going to be dramatically more powerful than PS4 Pro than it should've launched last year. ...Remind me why I shouldn't just get a PS4 Pro this afternoon?
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