True, and it just works better when you think about it. Games are going to progress faster with this model, yet those with the older system will still get the game running at lower specs and will not be left behind. Then you can upgrade pretty much at your leisure and bring your entire library with you as well. It's like... PC.
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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True, and it just works better when you think about it. Games are going to progress faster with this model, yet those with the older system will still get the game running at lower specs and will not be left behind. Then you can upgrade pretty much at your leisure and bring your entire library with you as well. It's like... PC.
PeterLegend
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I don't see this launching at $399, I mean Sony left out the 4K bluray player which helped the Pro reach that price point.
I think $449 is more accurate with 4k Bluray drive, 1TB HD (could be 2 TB?), 12 GB GDDR5 ram, 6TF GPU and ~2.5ghz Jaguar.
Let's remember Microsoft wants to make a decent profit on this....
I think $449 is more accurate with 4k Bluray drive, 1TB HD (could be 2 TB?), 12 GB GDDR5 ram, 6TF GPU and ~2.5ghz Jaguar.
Let's remember Microsoft wants to make a decent profit on this....
People aren't especially bright. You can literally tell them something is not this or that and they refuse to believe it. The age of Trump has begun.
GarthVaderUK
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12 is 50% more than 8.
Yes, many people expected this. There were whole threads about it.
I think the majority of the people on GAF had a realistic view that was more in line with the actual announcements, though.
Salty Rice
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They had a bunch and new exclusives with 360 and even if it they didnt its not like Halo and Gears are as big as they were many years ago.
Not saying they gonna die but they not gonna go anywhere if its "just third party games".
Microsoft wants to revitalize the sagging Xbox brand though. No chance in hell they'll price it above 399 when PS4 Pro launched at 399 a year before and will be on the verge of a price cut.
VincentMatts
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12 of DDR5 compared to 8 of DDR3 too.
Seems about right. While things can change (of course) this information seems to be on par with what Microsoft wants to do with the Xbox going forward. I mean we have until E3 to see how things pan out, but expecting a "new generation" hardware announcement at this point seems a bit out the window.
What's the gap with the CPU ?
wapplew
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How will games progress faster when they have to create with low spec console in mind?
Nikodemos
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DF looking at a leaked motherboard pic and counting the number of RAM chips. Given the current density, it would come out at 12 GB - at least according to them.
Dark Cloud
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Who hasn't? It's only slightly better than the Pro (probably lying about slightly). Remember when the PS4 was better than the X1 and we made fun on Xbox fans? Now that Scorpio is more powerful than PS4 Pro it doesn't count. Lol man these guys do this all the time. It's just sad how they'll change narratives to make their favorite console maker look good.
Humdinger
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I wonder why the "leak" (from a MS developer website) now? I doubt it's accidental. Two possible explanations: 1) to deflate unreasonable expectations in advance of E3, or 2) get people thinking that these original specs are a done deal, so they are happily surprised at E3 when it turns out the actual specs are a bit better.
Or, I guess there's a third possibility: I may be over-thinking it.
About 4.5 times the power, in raw TF terms, from what I've heard. It's a big jump over the standard Xbox One.
I'm a Sony guy, but some of the anti-MS posts in this thread are pretty ridiculous.
Personally, the big news to me (although most are saying it's expected) is that there probably isn't going to be some big leap forward for the CPU. That was the thing I was wondering about. I'm not a tech guy, so I had no real idea, but I understood enough to know that a much beefier CPU would be a very significant advantage for the Scorpio. It might enable the 60 fps gaming many hardcore gamers crave. It doesn't look like that's happening.
Or, I guess there's a third possibility: I may be over-thinking it.
About 4.5 times the power, in raw TF terms, from what I've heard. It's a big jump over the standard Xbox One.
I'm a Sony guy, but some of the anti-MS posts in this thread are pretty ridiculous.
Personally, the big news to me (although most are saying it's expected) is that there probably isn't going to be some big leap forward for the CPU. That was the thing I was wondering about. I'm not a tech guy, so I had no real idea, but I understood enough to know that a much beefier CPU would be a very significant advantage for the Scorpio. It might enable the 60 fps gaming many hardcore gamers crave. It doesn't look like that's happening.
Samurai G0SU
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True. The complaints would shift to; "UGh. All that power only wasted on the Failing Halo Times. Lying GEARS of BORE STORIES and Forza Driving me to Sleep Horizon MortorSleeps. SAD!" "They have no games i want to play so who cares about the power!"
GarthVaderUK
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Oh wow, what ? Going to be awesome E3 2017 nonetheless!
Gradly
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The whole Scorpio reveal was about those uncompromised quality pixels haha. For me the message was clear targeting native 4K gaming not checkerboard or whatever solutions
They gave us exact numbers and it looks like the console going to have these numbers. It wasn't some Magical Power they promised
longdi
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Real leaked motherboard or just that cgi marketing video?
geordiemp
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Shhhhhh, they too daft to notice the white elephant in the room.
LukasTaves
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Sot runs like a dream on xbone already.
My 6.8TF GPU in my gaming PC cost me $700 by itself.
So....haha.....yes?!
Not as important with the console hardware and the way they develop games.
Anyone with a slight knowledge of this would know that.
Still waiting on you to explain how this wasn't what was expected and how it's not exactly what was promised.
We know nothing about the Scorpio CPU other than what DF gleaned from the whitepaper. Based on language in the whitepaper Scorpio's CPU is most likely an improved Jaguar ala PS4 Pro.
PeterLegend
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And break even or eat a small loss at launch? lol
Microsoft is launching this as a "premium" console, the most powerful console on the market and it will hold that title for at least 2 to 3 years depending on when the PS5 launches.
Microsoft knows this won't help it catch up to the PS4 in sales so they might as well make decent some profit on it.
nelsonroyale
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So, it seems as expected. It is more powerful than the pro but only as much as could be expected from a year later. It seems like the difference will be that more games will run in 1080p. On the other hand, Xbone is still the baseline...
All in all, it is the Xbone Exec or some such. While I think the difference between this and the Pro is good for those wanting to own both, I am not sure if it was worth waiting an extra year for. My sense is that Sony just had this in the works sooner, otherwise I don't see why MS wouldnt have released something on par with the Pro around the same time. Or maybe they saw the need to differentiate slightly, but that meant releasing later? Either way just like the Pro this will probaby eventually faze out the Xbone as the most available model.
All in all, it is the Xbone Exec or some such. While I think the difference between this and the Pro is good for those wanting to own both, I am not sure if it was worth waiting an extra year for. My sense is that Sony just had this in the works sooner, otherwise I don't see why MS wouldnt have released something on par with the Pro around the same time. Or maybe they saw the need to differentiate slightly, but that meant releasing later? Either way just like the Pro this will probaby eventually faze out the Xbone as the most available model.
LordOcidax
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
As long as there's a reason for non 4K TV owners to pick one up, I'll be there.
Different spec options, like on PC. They are not going to release hardware with this much more juice and leave it untapped.
VincentMatts
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little to no chance.
If it's an image, then it's based on the CGI render, which means absolutely nothing.
Shil Pencer
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Never
LordOcidax
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The same as PS4pro only exclusives.
The whole "not even a $$$$ pc can run games at 4k you are dumb if you think that this one could!" argument is not pertinent because console games don't have the same level of details in textures, shaders, polygonal models etc. that pc have in ultra settings, they just have to run the base game in the 4k framebuffer...
Instead it seems we'll get a machine that still can't provide a pure 4k image and that relies on the same tech to give something similar to that like the PS4 Pro does with these solutions being the norm rather than the exception.
With the almost confirmation that this thing still has Jaguar (ok Zen wasn't ready but at least they could've thrown Puma at the thing, from my understanding these console are really starving for cpu power so even the little Puma would have brought would've been useful imho) this really feels like a PS4Pro+ more than a thing of its own.
So much for the "true 4k" and "uncompressed pixels" lol.
I wonder since it's obvious that this SoC will use GDDR5 memory if at the least the core will be based on Vega or it will be just a Polaris one.
I was very hopeful for this thing but right now it doesn't seem a compelling machine at all to me.
Instead it seems we'll get a machine that still can't provide a pure 4k image and that relies on the same tech to give something similar to that like the PS4 Pro does with these solutions being the norm rather than the exception.
With the almost confirmation that this thing still has Jaguar (ok Zen wasn't ready but at least they could've thrown Puma at the thing, from my understanding these console are really starving for cpu power so even the little Puma would have brought would've been useful imho) this really feels like a PS4Pro+ more than a thing of its own.
So much for the "true 4k" and "uncompressed pixels" lol.
I wonder since it's obvious that this SoC will use GDDR5 memory if at the least the core will be based on Vega or it will be just a Polaris one.
I was very hopeful for this thing but right now it doesn't seem a compelling machine at all to me.
That's what I've been thinking for a while too. The power discrepancy is about the same percentage on the GPU.
Aceofspades
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Sony outplayed MS yet again this gen. Releasing PRO last year was really smart move by them. MS is left with releasing a slightly more powerful and more expensive box a year later.
geordiemp
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Its not raw power, its GPU power, the games still run on jaguar and the differences will be minimal IMO.
Its going to be 2018 before we can play Witcher 3 at 60 FPS on consoles with an I5 class CPU....Roll on Ps5 / Xb2.
Lmfao. No. That's not how console HW works.
Bitch Pudding
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Which is actually far more important than Zen. They made the right choice. Period.
None. Everything is forwards and backwards compatible from here on out. Just like they originally stated from the get-go.
demigod
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Why would anyone buy a 6.8TF GPU at the end of 2017 for $700($500 for Scorpio)?
You can get a 5.8TF Gpu today for <$200.
This is also my guess and I wonder what that will mean for ps5 and bc with ps4 and pro.
GarthVaderUK
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I believe the plan is for all games with the exception of VR to be released on the current Xbox One and Scorpio. It's up to the developers to choose how to apply the extra power in the Scorpio.
Rain City Gamer
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My thoughts exactly. Seems like a great machine, a lot to be excited about but expectations need to be put in check. All those people who bashed PS4 Pro for what it could/couldn't do better plan a back-pedal campaign on Scorpio to save face. Scorpio is basically the PS4 Pro if the PS4 Pro had come out a year later.
This is why everyone should just game and be happy, no reason to waste time and energy being a console warrior. Should be an exciting 10 months With Switch and Scorpio Hitting the market and PS4 Pro hitting it's stride. Love it!
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