I don't run out of games because I buy both games for both their console and portable.
Hmmmmmmmm
Does it now? It looked pretty Wii U-ish to me. Some assets like the bullet bill looked like they were lifted straight from 3D World.
I'm actually hoping that was placeholder.
I mean I love the Mexican theme but that short look did nothing for me.
It didn't look amazing visually or design-wise.
Needs more upside-down bonkers shit.
But you shouldn't have to supplement by buying other consoles and handhelds.
Numbers aren't graphics, except in the purest mathematical sense.
It is ludicrous to declare "I'm out!" because you were told a number.
and now you see the concept of the switch: One device, All the company's output.
So now we are arguing about how shiny a bullet bill looked in promo footage....
This is getting very scientific.
and now you see the concept of the switch: One device, All the company's output.
Numbers aren't graphics, except in the purest mathematical sense.
It is ludicrous to declare "I'm out!" because you were told a number.
I sort of imagine that the cheapest screens on the market are probably 720p touchscreens given the economies of scale involved and that being a super common smartphone size / resolution
Given that in portable mode it runs better than on wiiu, AND the eurogamer article said when its portable its 40% of total power... Doesnt that mean its at LEAST 2.5X the power of wiiu??
I know thats simplifying it a ton, but this doesnt seem anywhere near as dire as people in this thread seem to be making it.
Given that in portable mode it runs better than on wiiu, AND the eurogamer article said when its portable its 40% of total power... Doesnt that mean its at LEAST 2.5X the power of wiiu??
I know thats simplifying it a ton, but this doesnt seem anywhere near as dire as people in this thread seem to be making it.
Given that in portable mode it runs better than on wiiu, AND the eurogamer article said when its portable its 40% of total power... Doesnt that mean its at LEAST 2.5X the power of wiiu??
I know thats simplifying it a ton, but this doesnt seem anywhere near as dire as people in this thread seem to be making it.
People keep referring to Switch as a 'portable Wii U' and 'Wii U ports' but this thing has the potential to get huge amounts of last gen ports/remasters and introduce them to an all new audience.
To be honest I believe software is what can make or break an Nintendo system. If they have software like Wii sports to showcase then things can change
Oof, I'll have my popcorn ready if either were the case. I just think it's hilarious how clock speed information resulted in a 100+ page thread of... whatever you'd call this
Maybe it just didn't have the best games. There are maybe 5 games "worth" owning the system for, if you are Nintendo fan. That's pretty pathetic.
Reminds me of the MS Surface. Tried to be two very different things at once and ended up being crap at both.
The number says something about the device's capabilities. If graphics matter to you, then this news disappoints no matter how you look at it. And yes, it can be a dealbreaker.
Especially after basically months of people speculating that this thing is going to be able to play stunning looking PS4/X1 multiplats while you're on the go. With a speculated GFLOP count of ~150 while undocked, that's beginning to look rather unlikely.
Numbers correlate to graphics, it's not ludicrous at all. It's not as powerful as the poster wanted, that's a very valid reason to not want to purchase said thing. May not be important to you, but that doesn't change anything.
and now you see the concept of the switch: One device, All the company's output.
Given that in portable mode it runs better than on wiiu, AND the eurogamer article said when its portable its 40% of total power... Doesnt that mean its at LEAST 2.5X the power of wiiu??
I know thats simplifying it a ton, but this doesnt seem anywhere near as dire as people in this thread seem to be making it.
So this marks the end of the 3DS?
What makes people freak out is because of the expectations they had.
When you've been dealing with Nintendo hardware since the last two generations, you (normally) don't expect them to go all-in, specs-wise.
Though I can understand how many wants to have a 'real', PS4-like, next gen experience with them, but this shall only come in 5 years I assume, considering the 'one generation behind' schtick they have.
What makes people freak out is because of the expectations they had.
When you've been dealing with Nintendo hardware since the last two generations, you (normally) don't expect them to go all-in, specs-wise.
Though I can understand how many wants to have a 'real', PS4-like, next gen experience with them, but this shall only come in 5 years I assume, considering the 'one generation behind' schtick they have.
But the switch isnt one generation behind? The wiiu was just barely more powerful than 360/ps3 (and therefore could be considered a generation behind). It seems to me that the Switch might just be a step lower than xbone, which is already what most people expected I think.
I have to admit, even for me the 300MHz GPU clock was a shocker, and I'm the guy who's been shouting at people to manage their expectations.
But even with 300MHz GPU clock on batteries, it's gonna be performing better than Wii U. That's pretty good for a portable IMO, especially if they keep the price in check. @$199, this is very good. @$250, it's still OK.
Okay then, rage quit over speculation. Totally not ludicrous.
You do you.
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For point of reference;
As of today we have seen 1 (one) title running on the Switch, offscreen on a talk show.
Completely reasonable to spit the dummy out over.
Numbers correlate to graphics, it's not ludicrous at all. It's not as powerful as the poster wanted, that's a very valid reason to not want to purchase said thing. May not be important to you, but that doesn't change anything.
It should be fine- it's likely close to 3x the Wii U in performance if you account for RAM and more modern architecture, but this news is lower than what pretty much all of us considered to be realistic expectations:
512GFLOPS when docked and 4x A57 cores somewhere near their max clock (2GHz). This is telling us that it will be 390GFLOPS docked (which really isn't THAT bad) and with about half the CPU capability we were expecting (which actually MIGHT be that bad). Honestly the CPU clock is the worse news here in my mind, though that's more subject to change since we don't know the final core configuration.
Well that confirms the clocks are legit.Mmmmm
Lol rage quit? What? I'm still buying the system personally, but I'm not gonna sit here and tell people that they shouldn't be disappointed by the numbers they're seeing. Plus, looking at the thread title it says nothing about rumors, and didn't digital foundry say they have papers that show this is what the devkits numbers are?
So this marks the end of the 3DS?
Okay then, rage quit over speculation. Totally not ludicrous.
You do you.
e:
For point of reference;
As of today we have seen 1 (one) title running on the Switch, offscreen on a talk show.
Completely reasonable to spit the dummy out over.
6.2" is very uncommon phone screen size. And 720p is not the most common. It's 540p IIRC. 1280x720 IPS is considered mid range phone screen still. Mid range is 720p to 1080p now days.
6.2" is very uncommon phone screen size. And 720p is not the most common. It's 540p IIRC. 1280x720 IPS is considered mid range phone screen still. Mid range is 720p to 1080p now days.
The only one here having a meltdown is you.
Calm the fuck down. It's really not that serious.
lol, here comes the "U Mad" card. Really? Meltdown?
games will be designed for handeheld mode so all you get is close to Wii U performance + resolution upgrade when docked. Don't set people expectations regarding Switch power as 3xWii U - this topic has 100+ pages because of posts like this that set people expectations to unreasonable high levels. And you were the one (among others) who constantly argued with those with more conservative prediction.
Dude. I've rationally tried to explain to you why someone might think that the disappointing specs are a dealbreaker.
6" 720p cheap android tablets are pretty common (This is clsoe to the size of the Amazon Fire HD6 tablet for instance), so the economies of scale should still be there in some capacity. Whether or not they can get a quality screen though, that's another story.
For first party games? Very possible.
Third parties? Not going to happen. Third parties don't even manage to squeeze 1080p out of the XB1 most of the time.
Having double the RAM (and probably more than double the usable RAM) at a noticeably faster speed is going to be a huge improvement over the Wii U.
Reasons why Nintendo calling the Switch a portable home console is the right move:
It would be terrible marketing to market this thing as a handheld when it truly can do much more graphically than people are used to with handhelds.
You dont want the perception to be that this is just another 3DS powered type of system you can plug into your TV. Perception is important and despite what half of GAF thinks, its not a misnomer to call it a home console despite it not being as powerful as the offerings from Microsoft of Sony.
Plugging a handheld into your TV is not much of a selling point. You can already play your handheld systems in your living room and increasing the screen size wont appeal to many.
What you cant and have never been able to do is play games designed for home consoles any and everywhere outside of your living room. This is the selling point of the Switch, not playing handheld games on the TV.
The bottom line is that its not Nintendos goal to impress GAF with its specs by marketing this thing as the most powerful handheld ever instead of an underpowered home console. It needs to sell the thing and like it or not taking console games on the go (a portable home console) is the most compelling argument for it.
Fire 6 is 1024x600. That's most definitely not 1280x720.
Rumors point to around triple the usable RAM. 1GB vs 3.2GB.Having double the RAM (and probably more than double the usable RAM) at a noticeably faster speed is going to be a huge improvement over the Wii U.
How are we at 100 pages in this thread? Good heavens.
Rumors point to around triple the usable RAM. 1GB vs 3.2GB.
Obviously as a dev you'd know better but will it really make much difference?
With the Wii U we already had Michel Ancel saying they could throw whatever texture they wanted at it.It doesn't seem like RAM was an issue at all.