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Digital Foundry: PS4K / Neo spec leak is genuine, dev kits on their way to devs
- Thread starter chadskin
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psychology. It happens because majority of people bought their PS4s one or two years ago, so many think PS4 is 2 years old.
Polaris is GCN 1.3, it's not a revision but the next generation of Graphics Core Next. Liverpool (PS4) and Durango (XOne) are GCN 1.1 cores for comparison.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Probably the most noteworthy news, holiday 2016 release for the PS4K.
Aztechnology
Member
Hard to say really, but there are huge incentives for Sony to do so, must be a heck of a lot cheaper to design and manufacture an incremental upgrade that it does a whole new architecture.
I would imagine it would hinge on the amount of people go for this one that would be the deciding factor.
Why would you think that they'll do an upgrade in 2 years when they've waited 3 to do this one? It seems like 3 years would be the cadence they're on
Always-honest
Banned
Well, will buy when it comes out.
Games in 4K though? Who would have thought.
Games in 4K though? Who would have thought.
mugurumakensei
Member
Well, it'll get the compression stuff that that 3xx and 2xx series have which means not only more bandwidth but better usage of that bandwidth.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Not a big enough leap.
SolidSnakex
Member
That's not really a reason. Why should they care about their competition releasing new hardware with the sales that they have?
They don't need to touch the gaming capabilities for 4K content. Particularly because it's unlikely that any of the games are actually going to run in native 4K.
Glorified G
Member
I wonder how many posts in this thread will be questioning if this is still meant for VR. At least it is in the OP this time.
Boy Wander
Member
I know that there's all this talk of one game, standard PS4 owners not being left out etc , buy surely if the uptake on this thing is good, devs are going to target Neo as the primary platform and effectively botch the standard PS4 version. Because if the dictat from Sony is that game must 'work' on ps4 , why bother with all that extra grunt? Surely there will have to be a compromise and inevitable shitstorm sometime, or am I missing something obvious.
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
This whole PS4 Pro fiasco better bring about a new controller with decent battery life.
Same.
Aztechnology
Member
I'm having trouble even dealing right now. Basically all this just reaffirms what every level headed person on GAF has been saying for weeks. Now all the people that were freaking out are like "sounds good".
2 years, 3 years, whatever, either way it's bad.
Console gaming should be (per platform) a single tier system, a two tier system is lose / lose for everyone, who do devs cater for?, the high classes or the plebs with their lowly vanilla PS4's? either way, one user base is likely to lose out.
I'm starting to doubt whether I should get Uncharted 4 on PS4, tbh. I can enjoy 30fps games just fine, but playing Uncharted 4 with the visuals looking like they do now, at least, would be fucking great.
I mean, I enjoyed TLOU on PS3, but my experience with the PS4 version was far better.
I mean, I enjoyed TLOU on PS3, but my experience with the PS4 version was far better.
I'm a bit confused concerning the disc drive / disc format discussion. Suppose they do opt for a drive that supports higher space formats and you see discs printed to take advantage of this, wouldn't that create exactly the kind of compatibility issues that the display mode dichotomy seeks to prevent?
Dictator93
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Next Generation? I would prefer if we kept our cool here and reserved ourselves from using such phrasing that fuddle conversation and makes things seem larger than they really are.
The fact that it is a decimal integer change in naming tells you it is a revision. Just like DX11 and DX 11.1. Or GCN 1.0 vs GCN 1.1
Or Flash Player 15 and Flash Player 15.1
It still uses the GCN layout then. It has to, otherwise it could not BC PS4 stuff with ease.
I mean, sure. I just do not think such phrases as "game changer" or "next generation" apply here.... the just make things seem larger than they really are.
spons
Gold Member
Hell, you can use a scaler chip to output 8k, doesn't make anything natively run at that resolution.
It Sony's going to claim games "run" at 4k I imagine a strong backlash will happen.
ninjablade
Banned
i think sony like gamers to be hyped.
Crimson_Gold
Member
The first reason was a joke.
Improving the hardware allows for better scaling and the use of better assets. Delivering the best 4k experience possible at a consumer friendly price is the purpose of this machine. You'll also see Sony's 4k media offerings all throughout this thing.
johancruijff
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Well I guess I'll sell my PS4 and upgrade, not really happy about it but will do it for improved frame rate.
vpance
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Framerate will be boosted nonetheless. I wouldn't be surprised if some rock solid locked 30FPS games can hit 60. Games like ACU? Maybe not.
Chittagong
Gold Member
4.14TF? Fuck me, this thing is going to be an absolute beast.
wapplew
Member
Plus many first party haven't release anything on PS4 yet, make it feel like PS4 still haven't reach its peak yet.
paragonpro
Banned
Well....fuck I guess I'll buy one. I hope gamestop offers up a good trade up program.
Sony actually talks with developers unlike Nintendo.
Will the PS4K be released this year tho? If so, Nintendo could also use polaris for NX, as others stated it wouldn't.
thatJohann
Member
I bet games are gonna run poorly in 4K resolution with those specs so it will be like 1080p games running ok and 4K games will run like current games with frame drops and screen tearing etc
FalsettoVibe
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If Sony releases an upgraded console every 2-3 years that still plays all games, I'm down.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
Banned
Can someone explain to me how the PS4k will be a beat with that same restricting CPU?
Also I'm assuming the design size wise will be similar to a PS4, a slightly more powerful PS4 will produce some heat indeed.
Also I'm assuming the design size wise will be similar to a PS4, a slightly more powerful PS4 will produce some heat indeed.
Aztechnology
Member
Sad day. Went from a must buy with a UHD Blu-ray to meh I have a PC. Guess we're waiting for PS5.
Hey, I'm not arguing against your feelings on the topic. Simply arguing that your math was off.
It's a GTX 970 but in a fixed box. Should be pretty glorious.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
Banned
Because 2016-late 2013=/= isn't 3?
I'm really interested on how the BASE and NEO versions would work for devs. If it's as simple as changing graphics settings on PC games then I see no problem on devs to support both. But if it requires a lot of coding, it might just end up like the N3DS, nobody will ever utilize its power.
Always-honest
Banned
yeah, exactly.
I'll just buy it to play games in 1080p with better fps.
Maybe better iQ?
Wow, i totally thought it would be mainly for 4K blurays...
Probably either Fiji (1.2) or Polaris (1.3). Polaris lines up with the PS4k timeline though and being on 14nm makes it attractive for a console APU. The modest improvements on CPU and RAM mean more budget might go to a newer GPU design/node too.
I think he meant for BF possibly.
The first goal (E3) is obviously a $299/ $399 scale.
The improved GPU and (even if not noted) a UHDBD drive (and possibly dual band Wifi) would probably eat the additional $100 budget.
You want to wait another 6+ months? 8)