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Digital Foundry: PS4K / Neo spec leak is genuine, dev kits on their way to devs
- Thread starter chadskin
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Looks decent, so now for the price.
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So what did they do to boost GDDR5 Bandwidth?
And I was really hoping that Sony would push the cpu bar with there update.. Was really hoping for 2.5ghz or greater with the revision as it would help tremendously for open world games.. (but then again its jaguar)
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So what did they do to boost GDDR5 Bandwidth?
And I was really hoping that Sony would push the cpu bar with there update.. Was really hoping for 2.5ghz or greater with the revision as it would help tremendously for open world games.. (but then again its jaguar)
It's all but confirmed by now ffs....LOL
Zombie James
Banned
This is true for every single console generation, whether it's three years or five.
DrROBschiz
Member
Holy shit
So where are we all?
I'm at number 3 right now.
I don't think I'm moving from 2.
platina
Member
Sounds as easy as raising the resolution to 1440p injecting better aa, raising frame rates? Those things are easy to implement and I'm sure will not be a "pain in the ass."
vpance
Member
Res boost will be the priority for most of the Neo modes, I suspect. There are always outliers of course.
Is it really as simple as hitting an "increase resolution and FPS" button?
Really interested to hear more developers take on this.
qa_engineer
Member
reading is for squares. people just want to post their "concerns" and the first thing that comes to mind. For example:
Sony is going to gimp PS4 games and there will be NEO exclusives. Also, BANANA.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Edit:Wrong quote
Eh either way
How many times have devs showed games running on a PC these things can be scaled pretty easily to different hardware.
Eh either way
How many times have devs showed games running on a PC these things can be scaled pretty easily to different hardware.
Caayn
Member
Don't worry soon people will claim that "up-rendering" the image is just as good as rendering it at 3840*2160.
thelastword
Banned
Do these guys ever come back and say they were wrong, just like the guys who were saying the NEO is not based on polaris?.....in the other thread.
MaximusPayne
Member
Am I missing something?....what the hell is Neo?
I can't get to the link as I'm at work. Assuming it's the console's codename? If so...the Matrix throwback...oh jeez!
I can't get to the link as I'm at work. Assuming it's the console's codename? If so...the Matrix throwback...oh jeez!
AMD have no reason to continue with their old fab processes, sony using obsolete tech would incur costs that'd be better spent on a faster chip from AMDs current/future fab processes.
If anything, it will either do the following:
-People having doubts regarding the PlayStation 5 when its announced
-Most will get this over PS VR (if its launching this Fall)
-People will flock to get cheap PS4's (sub-200 bucks likely)
I fall into the later camp, as I don't own a PS4 yet and would love to get one for 200-250 for a handful of games (FFXV, Ratchet & Clank, Persona 5, Sonic 25th Anniversary, ect). Have no interest in VR what so ever, so completely fine skipping out on that.
I feel that people who got PS4's day one will feel mixed on this announcement; if a parent bought their child a PS4 last holiday and learns how this new one is more powerful, I can clearly picture the parent being annoyed, as the child will ask for a new PlayStation despite just getting one.
Gamers will be even more mixed on this. We are already seeing it here, with many being upset with the rumor (becoming more real by the day) and outright desiring leaving gaming if this is true. I fell into this camp originally but over time, I realized that with the Xbox One on the market, the PS4 will still have good running games, as that isn't the lowest SKU to target.
Either way, interested to see how Sony handles the announcement and how this affects future showings of their first party line up.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yep for some people price is the biggest factor .
So they not going to buy the consoles unless it a certain price .
Even if take a few years .
JetBlackPanda
Member
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
Cross-gen consoles now, eh
Neat!
Neat!
AusRoachman
Member
Ill be going with whichever console has better specs / controls . Ms fucked up with the Tv integration / specs but I still prefer there controllers / first party games / online network, ps4 is my go to third party machine due to the better performance and although I skipped on the wiiu if the nx has no stupid gimmicks and solid games that may end up on my radar again.
So I'll just keep sticking with my PS4/one combo until all the future plans are revealed (it's going to be a huge e3)
So I'll just keep sticking with my PS4/one combo until all the future plans are revealed (it's going to be a huge e3)
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Need a trade in program for me to consider buying this. Hopefully BestBuy will have a good one.
So wasn't the Polaris 10 with 2304 shaders shown being near as strong as a Fury-level Gpu? Wouldn't that actually be easy 4k versions from current 1080p games? Even the R9 390x is close to doing that quite a bit. All assuming the thing is actually using Polaris. At the low tdp of ~100w tho, it kinda sounds like by that point, that Gpu would be like what the 7850 was to the other options in 2013; a mid-range option.
DJ Lushious
Member
Exactly. It's not confirmed.
We can talk about Neo and have fun dissecting what may be and how it'll affect the industry; I'm not denying that. But to be an asshole for asshole's sack over something that is still rumor and conjecture is pretty low.
Ah, yes, because apparently the world around me is on fire and I'm crying tears to extinguish it. I'm saying don't be a dick to other people in the community until it's justifiably so. But clearly you, too, aren't capable of such level-headedness.
outunderthestars
Banned
Just boxed up my launch PS4 and traded it into Amazon. Now I wait. 
$200 or so at Gamestop or Amazon at the moment.
$200 or so at Gamestop or Amazon at the moment.
Dude, just stop. No one has said this and if someone did, you can rightfully laugh at their face. You have been making some pretty hyperbolic parody posts of what PS4 fans supposedly say and I find it annoying.
HandsomeCharles
Member
It all depends on how serious Sony is about keeping the two experiences palatable. This sort of thing has been happening on the PC for years, where you can still have an enjoyable and stable experience without having the top-level hardware. Obviously on some machines the experience is going to be sub-par.
If Sony has part of their verification process be ensuring that a game runs competently on the older system, then you probably don't have too much to worry about. That said, looking at their current track record (Which has nothing to do with "playability" and only to ensure that a game doesn't crash) then there may be cause for concern.
If you want an example of how this could go horribly wrong, look at Hyrule Warriors Legends on the old 3DS.
$$$
Soldiussnaku
Member
Basically this, if there is no 4k/uhd Bluray support, then it's bullshit. Sony developed the Bluray standard and the UHD one, they fucking need UHD support.
Yes it's still early and UHD bluray drive might still make it in the console, but the hw might come out next year, not a lot of time left for hw changes.
styl3s
Member
I started at 6. When and where do i throw my money.So where are we all?
I'm at number 3 right now.
I have been wanting shorter console cycles since about 4 years into the 360/ps3. Hopefully the 4K does well enough to warrant new consoles every 3-4 years with support for the previous console for 3-4 years giving 6-8 year life cycles. It's perfect IMO. Allow trade ins of previous consoles every time a new one comes out so you only have to pay $200.
JimJamJones
Member
I'm completely lost - so what does this mean for NEO's power? 2x the PS4's power, or is it only going to give a marginal boost?
FalsettoVibe
Member
Thats pretty awesome. I reeeeaaally hope FFXV takes advantage of this....
JetBlackPanda
Member
Dev kits going out now don't need UHD.
I'm not a super technical guy by any means, so you could be completely right. I just know with the initial rumors here on GAF, Sony was weighing a slight CPU bump to sell at $399 or a completely new CPU for $499...according to the rumor, of course.
Omg.
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WhiskerFrisker
Member
How are they getting fucked over if they willingly buy the product?
RealityCheque
Banned
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Seriously though. Sony is about to kill its golden goose. No mid-cycle upgrade has ever worked with consoles, there's absolutely no reason to think this will be any different. Average players won't like the price, more committed gamers will be naturally pushed towards the PC.
Pay $800 in one generation (plus $2-300 for PS+) for 2 consoles or pay the same for slightly less than elite PC hardware that will do a better job?
I have a day 1 PS4 but haven't been thrilled with the offerings so far. Some good stuff but the best games I've played on it are Resogun and TLOU:R. A day 1 defender clone and a last gen port. This is my cue to exit console ownership, sell my PS4 and focus solely on PC gaming. And in the 1 year I've had my pc, I've played exponentially more and better games, and payed far less for them. It's no contest at this point.
SolidSnakex
Member
What game? Whose saying that consoles have to go down this route instead of the one they've been on? Sony's sold the PS4 on the basis that it was the most straight forward console. No gimmicky shit like Nintendo and MS were trying to do. And that obviously worked.
It's not really true considering there's never been incremental step up consoles before. There was a PSone, 2, and 3, not a PSone, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5 and so on.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Sony is not going to drop PS4 when they can drop the price and sell more consoles .
Obsolete tech or not a price is a big factor .
A $250 PS4 will do very good business .
So either developers start with the PS4K as the lead platform, with 1080p being the target for that. We get prettier games, but PS4/XBO games suffer.
Or developers maintain PS4/XBO as lead platforms, and the PS4K gets a bump up to 1440p.
Those are really the two ways this can go, right? Neither seems all that appealing. It feels to me like the Nintendo NX would have to reach PS4K levels to make putting effort into the current gen and mid-current gen versions of a game worth it.
Or developers maintain PS4/XBO as lead platforms, and the PS4K gets a bump up to 1440p.
Those are really the two ways this can go, right? Neither seems all that appealing. It feels to me like the Nintendo NX would have to reach PS4K levels to make putting effort into the current gen and mid-current gen versions of a game worth it.
Called it
Do I get a Tag or something?
I'd say the former since there are several times more 1080p capable sets than anything else at the moment, and a shift in that tendency would be quite rare during what remains of this gen.
Wasn't the first one though, I think
Do I get a Tag or something?
I'd say the former since there are several times more 1080p capable sets than anything else at the moment, and a shift in that tendency would be quite rare during what remains of this gen.
amstradcpc
Member
Polaris 10 was demoed running Hitman 1440p at 60 fps. I don´t know how that compares to other graphic chips.
Yes. Games releasing in late September are also supposed to be getting a patch to add support so there is now the thought that FFXV will receive a Neo update. Games can also ship earlier than that with a Neo mode included so that they're ready when it comes out.
backflip10019
Member
It really is insane how much we know about Sony's next platform compared to how we know absolutely nothing about Nintendo's. It's like night and day.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
It would be awesome if this thing was called PS NEO.
I'm such a sucker for console launches and I need this in my life.
PS NEO updates for NMS and Uncharted please.
It would be cool if Sony took the lead and not mandate but encourage all the Sony WWS to deploy NEO patches for all of the 1st & 2nd party games.
I'm such a sucker for console launches and I need this in my life.
PS NEO updates for NMS and Uncharted please.
It would be cool if Sony took the lead and not mandate but encourage all the Sony WWS to deploy NEO patches for all of the 1st & 2nd party games.