It's just childish really. I'll be playing the game at 1080p 30 fps with all the bells and whistles. The game looks really impressive running on hardware probably less than a quarter of the cost of its PC counterpart.
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Digital Foundry: Rise of the Tomb Raider PS4 Pro vs PC 4K
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It's just childish really. I'll be playing the game at 1080p 30 fps with all the bells and whistles. The game looks really impressive running on hardware probably less than a quarter of the cost of its PC counterpart.
Leafhopper
Banned
What's going to be the takeaway if devs still make 1080p 30FPS games after the PS4Pro is out?
did anyone even watch the video, or are you all just kneejerk replying to that cropped screencap in the op?
also, the fucking ps4 is FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS
of course it doesn't look like a very high settings 4k pc game
so much hyperbole in here
not to mention you literally can't see the benefits of the HDR, which will make things look much more detailed
also, the fucking ps4 is FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS
of course it doesn't look like a very high settings 4k pc game
so much hyperbole in here
not to mention you literally can't see the benefits of the HDR, which will make things look much more detailed
No.
Yeah, would be wonderful on a $600 PS4 Pro.
Meanwhile console sales...
Garrett Hawke
Member
Can't help but feel like the missing lighting in that escape sequence is a bug of it not being implemented properly yet, especially if it was present on XB1.
Shame about the textures not being Very High though... Although I can't even use them on my 970 outside of screenshots anyway
Shame about the textures not being Very High though... Although I can't even use them on my 970 outside of screenshots anyway
Risk Breaker
Member
Probably.
It's 5GB of usable RAM. At 1600p or so I'd guess, that's going to use quite a bit of RAM.
*googles*
Yeah, it's probably RAM limited.
texhnolyze
Banned
For real?
The game is quite demanding as I remember it. Maybe it'll be able to achieve 30fps~ while exploring, but it'll definitely hit single digit framerates at siege wars.
Mass Effect Andromeda is 1080p/30fps on PS4 Pro.
Yep I know its a great vid.
nycgamer4ever
Member
Did anyone actually watch the video or just look at this one isolated texture on the ground and came to a conclusion the entire game looks like this? Game looks good in the video. Still not Uncharted 4 good and the animations suck ass though.
sammyCYBORG
Member
A PS4 Pro is £200 cheaper than a 1080 GPU haha.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I do think some people need to remind themselves that this is a 399 machine. It's not high end by any means.
lostsupper
Banned
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I wonder what it's actually rendering at then. CPU is really gonna hold this back, but still for $400 what do you expect?
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Yeah watching the full video it's actually not too bad. Still a waste of the Pro's power though, same goes for Scorpio.
Risk Breaker
Member
Are you going to connect the 1080 directly to the power socket and the screen?
Keep in mind youtube compression. Obviously native 4k is not as good as 1800p or whatever, but it's still a lot sharper in real life than an Ultra 1440p video watched on youtube.
Heckler456
Banned
It's people seeing an easily graspable straw that conforms to their predispositions. This kind of stuff is pretty much part and parcel when it comes to console vs pc comparisons.
Unfortunately, the majority of people in here are doing exactly that and it began with the OP. While I find your academic aspirations of detailing differences to be great work, it falls on deaf ears, to posts that lack nuance on the power and cost difference between PS4 Pro and the 4k PC running this game
It's also suited at gaming on a 4K TV as long as you don't expect to hit PC Ultra 4K settings on a $399 console that you can't even hit on a $1500 PC.
The salt of some entitled PC gamers towards the "Console Peasant pretending to do 4K" is unbelievable...
Frostman
Member
Is it? Cheapest I could find atm was £648, and that's just a GPU. The price of the pro is great, especially for what you get.
From the video it sounds like many of the other (first party) games are doing a better job with their resolution.
I don't know if we should be too critical of Tomb Raider though. It sounds like it's a big jump over what you could previously get on console in the game.
It might be nice if one of the better upscaling techniques could be applied to Tomb Raider successfully though. I'm guessing first parties are slightly earlier adopters of whatever techniques Sony might be pushing to devs.
It's not just PC gamers, I think a lot of console gamers expect 4K PC levels of performance and details without any sort of understanding of just what it entails to get Rise of the Tomb Raider running with the settings on that PC port.
BRocknRolla
Member
Since everyone just wants to shit on this, I'll leave this quote from the DF article here:
If anyone thought these should be equivalent, they are being intentionally obtuse.
If anyone thought these should be equivalent, they are being intentionally obtuse.
Holy shit that looks bad. Look at the stones on the floor, look at the puddle.
In the pc version you can see the ripples but the PS4Pro one is like someone used a blur tool.
I wouldn't call that "bad". Yes, it is a lower fidelity, but it is fine.
The texture quality and the fewer lights are the more egregious examples.
Frostman
Member
I am one of the ones bringing up the 1080p mode purely because that should be a closer comparison.
But that is purely based off the interview with CD.
nycgamer4ever
Member
I think the native resolution will be up to the developers. Of course the higher the native the better when checkerboard upscaled to 4k.
texhnolyze
Banned
Holy shit that looks bad. Look at the stones on the floor, look at the puddle.
In the pc version you can see the ripples but the PS4Pro one is like someone used a blur tool.
I think going for 4K is a waste of resources.
Other than the worse looking reflection (and maybe LOD) on PS4 Pro version, I honestly can't see the difference, especially of what you mentioned.
I'm not doubting you, I'm doubting Zenimax for that bold claim.
DreadfulOmen
Member
Nah man i think the video was good. You seemed pretty impressed with the console version overall. How much did the pc used in the video cost?
sammyCYBORG
Member
Are you going to connect the 1080 directly to the power socket and the screen?
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I thought it was £550! Jesus...
My post was pointing out the INSANE value of a PS4 Pro for most people. If I wanted to do 4K gaming in my PC (I have a 290x so not really possible right now) I'd have to pay double the price to get a 1080.
And yeah it would be much better quality but the vast majority of people who don't do PC gaming won't know/care about that.
MisterXDTV
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu-ST4ntGjc
Seems like it's using Xbox One quality textures, among other settings below Very High on PC.
There's something wrong in the PS4 pro capture IMO. The brightness of the image is wrong, it's all washed out....
Was this captured in HDR mode?
nycgamer4ever
Member
Holy shit that looks bad. Look at the stones on the floor, look at the puddle.
In the pc version you can see the ripples but the PS4Pro one is like someone used a blur tool.
I think going for 4K is a waste of resources.
From what I have been seeing and reading they have said that the checkerboard upscaling is done via hardware in the PS4 Pro adn does not take up resources.
No. If you wanted to run games at the same settings as a PS4 pro, all you'd need is a rx480.
J_ToSaveTheDay
Member
Texture quality definitely stands out to me. The fact that it's apparently just the difference between "High" and "Very High" seems kinda staggering.
I think people are kind of missing the point of "compete with PC" stand that Sony seems to be taking with this machine.
Absolutely do not think Sony is stupid enough to think that their console actually matches the technical capabilities of a gaming PC, but I think they targeted a spec where the pricepoint and the actual technical capabilities of the machine could potentially deter a consumer from entering the PC space. A lot of the argument in this thread alone seems pretty cool with just shrugging off the fact that 4K native rendering+Very High preset capable PC for Rise of the Tomb Raider ain't gonna be cheap. Sure, the console version has obvious settings turned down, as console versions have historically very often had, but I think for $400, a machine that can work its way up to a mostly clean 4K image output, and maybe medium PC presets is fine compared to the cost a 4K native+Very High preset PC is going to cost you. Is the latter superior? Absolutely! Is the former a good trade off at just $400? ... I really think that's an "absolutely," too.
I think people are kind of missing the point of "compete with PC" stand that Sony seems to be taking with this machine.
Absolutely do not think Sony is stupid enough to think that their console actually matches the technical capabilities of a gaming PC, but I think they targeted a spec where the pricepoint and the actual technical capabilities of the machine could potentially deter a consumer from entering the PC space. A lot of the argument in this thread alone seems pretty cool with just shrugging off the fact that 4K native rendering+Very High preset capable PC for Rise of the Tomb Raider ain't gonna be cheap. Sure, the console version has obvious settings turned down, as console versions have historically very often had, but I think for $400, a machine that can work its way up to a mostly clean 4K image output, and maybe medium PC presets is fine compared to the cost a 4K native+Very High preset PC is going to cost you. Is the latter superior? Absolutely! Is the former a good trade off at just $400? ... I really think that's an "absolutely," too.
BigEmil
Junior Member
The same res and settings?
sammyCYBORG
Member
I'm not talking about the same settings, I'm talking about a proper 4K experience with all the bells and whistles.
I could squeeze 4K out of my 290x now but it wouldn't be a great experience!
People that plays on PC don't need to buy the same games as remasters neither a full PC to upgrade. I mean, if you have a 5 years old cpu as the 2500K and you save the money of the first PS4 you can upgrade your gpu three years ago and now upgrade again instead of buying the PS4 Pro. A new $399 gpu will be a fucking great upgrade in your system.
I am sure anyone that buys a PS4Pro will be delighted but when you put things side by side. The issues hits you in the face hard. To me it look pretty terrible in context of the PC version but I am sure no one will be running these two side by side in their home.
When Sony was going after the console market it was fine. Nintendo, Sony and MS but now they are trying to nip at the heels of PC then you are going to see a lot of these kinds of comparisons.
BRocknRolla
Member
Mix that in with a healthy group of people here who don't have 4k displays, and therefore feel they should call 4k a waste, and the environment around the PS4 Pro reaches these wonderfully toxic levels.
Pjsprojects
Member
It's a £350 box,why chase what costs a lot more?
Would like to see PS4 vs Pro.
Would like to see PS4 vs Pro.
A PC with equivalent specs isnt 4x the price, no.
Oh neat! I thought it was mostly going to be indie titles.
Lol really
