They got it pretty hard after RROD, but really all of this gen the 360 has had to make up for huge shortcomings from the rest of the division.
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They got it pretty hard after RROD, but really all of this gen the 360 has had to make up for huge shortcomings from the rest of the division.
iceatcs
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Only in some PAL and Japan.
Can Crusher
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All you need to compare is Ps3 vs 360 to prove you aren't quite right.
You do realize that replays in GT5 are rendered in real time right ?
Sure they cut back the framerate in half to 30FPS but that's not the point that's being discussed here.
That's cool, not sure I'd ever use it, but they should let every country do it.
Wow. I dont even....
I expect MSFT to make the most reliable console next time around specifically because of how much the RROD debacle stung. If they didn't have the RROD, it's entirely possible that they would've grabbed a much larger share of the market than they have so far.
Can Crusher
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Well I was talking about in terms of philosophy. 360 has been a huge success aside from that whole RROD scenario. Don't see how the Xbox team is frowned upon.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Ignore the E3 hype, and in EDGE, who actually spoke to devs, the power comparisons were pretty accurate.
The claims by Sony that the PS3 had twice the power (in terms of FLOPS) of the 360, were quickly slapped down as bullshit.
I do genuinely believe that the PS4 will have a significant power advantage this time though..MS has simply drifted too far off mission to really care just about games.
Can Crusher
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Jesus man, a whole world and you point to a UK magazine. Now you are gonna have to tell me when that was.
In 2005 the Ps3 was set to dreamcast the Xbox 360.
I'm not saying there won't be a big power gap, all I'm saying is the only dev here that has spoken (ilherre) said they were comparable. Given that you are all about dev comments, you should probably take a look at his post history.
I'm sure MS cares about games . Maybe they feel its not required to have a super box to do it.
Yeah. Personally I think these specs are off and they will more or less be within the same ball park. I cant imagine a situation where one game runs at 60 on one console and on 30 in the other.
We need Carmack to talk about these specs. Someone tweet him. This interview on the PS3 pretty much summed up what transpired this gen in the first E3 itself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8
Interceptor
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Much better. Not as impressive but still awesome.
This I was unaware of. Do you know of an article that may point that specific insinuation?
Sony should have offered $5 credit for an out of warranty RROD 360 before MS acted.
Biggest missed opportunity ever. that could have been the turning point. The way MS treats its fanboys with live prices and poor build quality and still retains a loyal following is amazing.
Someone needs to do a study.
Biggest missed opportunity ever. that could have been the turning point. The way MS treats its fanboys with live prices and poor build quality and still retains a loyal following is amazing.
Someone needs to do a study.
Can Crusher
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I can understand that. It's pretty easy to look pro something when you are arguing in favor of something vs others who are arguing against it.
I think xbox is a great console, even though I don't own one, and think that a lot of the arguments made against next gen xbox are unfounded.
However I've revised my expectations for it a bit, since 3GB or thereabouts for the OS seems to be a reality, which gives credence to some of the more negative outlooks for Durango.
However, defending something doesn't mean I'm A or B. It's like saying someone who is arguing against racism is either included in the minority or a minority lover. It says more about those who spend time putting something down based on little, than those who defend an open mind.
I like to keep perspective on things. But I didn't point to my post history for answers, I pointed to ilherre's who is a developer.
The original 360 was a piece of shit, but to say they have poor build quality now is really unfair. They're actually a lot nicer than the PS3 is. They've got more premium while the PS3 has got cheaper, and shittier, with each iteration.
Pretty much.
Clay Davis
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playtv. came in very handy before I got my current sky hd set up.
that's good news. I feel they should be releasing at two GT games per gen at the minimum. it's sad to see what I consider the premier racer fall behind others.
I agree with the PS3 going down market.
The Phat is a work of art! I know people made fun of it, by people, I mean Sega zealots but that thing is work of modern art! Much like the OG PS2 and OG PSX. They were mocked at the time but history had the last laugh!
Not had a play with the 360 slim but it does indeed like upper market compared to OG 360.
The Phat is a work of art! I know people made fun of it, by people, I mean Sega zealots but that thing is work of modern art! Much like the OG PS2 and OG PSX. They were mocked at the time but history had the last laugh!
Not had a play with the 360 slim but it does indeed like upper market compared to OG 360.
OldJadedGamer
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Not so much unfair to say it, just misinformed.
I think if you start reading between the lines the 2 to 3GB of OS ram usage for Durango makes sense. I didn't think it would happen, but I'm almost positive now MS is going to position the next xbox as the living room push for Windows 8. It is going to be the central device to try and tie everything together under the Windows 8 banner: PCs, tablets, phones, and this console.
Their target is living room entertainment dominance first, gaming second.
Whereas I think Sony will be gaming first with entertainment second.
Their target is living room entertainment dominance first, gaming second.
Whereas I think Sony will be gaming first with entertainment second.
Clay Davis
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PD are Gods.
But I wonder why Turn 10 doesn't get much praise...
man, it's amazing how good forza 4 looks but what's even more amazing is that horizon trumps it.
I am not sure if it still stands, but I hated that power brick. UGH
oh boy, looks like specialguy (aka Rangers on B3D) is having some serious meltdowns.
His post history over there scares me.
On a side note, has Lottes made any follow up posts or replies in this thread or on his blog? This thread has moved pretty damned fast.
Can Crusher
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PD are Gods.
But I wonder why Turn 10 doesn't get much praise...
Honestly?
Because one looks real and the other doesn't.
They still have the afterbirth, yeah.
In retrospect, it will all seem so obvious.
gundamkyoukai
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While horizon does have the advantage ,
Forza 4 is 60fps and horizon is 30fps if i remember right .
velociraptor
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The best thing about the PS3 is the interface. It's so clean, so uncluttered. I can access anything I want with ease. Movies? Check. Internet TV? Check. Games? Check.
I hope Sony do the same for the PS4. Just keep it simple, and keep it functional. 360 interface looks like a mess, and I found it a pain for navigation.
It works really well, have had it for about 4 years. Records whilst gaming etc, and turns ps3 on and off to record. The downside is that it doesn't have freeview hd, but it does upscale nicely.
iamshadowlark
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So,
The whole OMFG "he said 720 is pre-GCN" outrage is based off him saying "if it is PRE-GCN". LMAO the lengths some people go to incite fake outrage.
The whole OMFG "he said 720 is pre-GCN" outrage is based off him saying "if it is PRE-GCN". LMAO the lengths some people go to incite fake outrage.
I think most people expect the same from them tbh. I just think what they were attempting on the PS3 with the initial tools provided and the team they had meant that releasing 2 full games is not going to happen.
Hopefully they'll be out in force in the first 12-18 months on the PS4 though.
Can Crusher
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I see what I see man. You're the one who picked that gif
Again with the reading comprehension problem?
Doesn't he basically start the whole blog post with an if? So isn't everything he's saying based on if something is as?
How is the "if it's pre gcn" any different than the previous ifs? Jesus man, read stuff first. Why so eager to put down legitimate opinions from others...
Clay Davis
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to be honest I didn't notice the different frame-rate. it still plays as well as past forza titles, I'd argue it plays better but let's not derail the thread too much.
Is anyone thinking there'll be another console shortage similar to the SNAFUs of the PS2/PS3/360? You would think MS and Sony would give ample production time for their consoles and avoid the speculation of trying to artificially drive up demand (like with the PS2).
I see what I see man. You're the one who picked that gif
I think the point of the GIF was that it mimicked the camera angles of the TV show, complete with the screen shake.
Clay Davis
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you're right and they did a damn good job with what they had. to hear they've hired more and with the news that sony have improved their dev tools significantly, I can't wait to see what they bring to the table next gen.
I'm willing to bet my account on it . Expect jacked up prices too . There's a lot of pent up demand for new consoles
Can Crusher
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That wasn't the point of your post though was it? To show the mimicked camera angles of Top gear?
;P it's all good man, it's all fun
Clay Davis
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there's demand, but I don't believe we'll see mass shortages. both will ensure they have enough stock in stores to meet the upper expectations they have.
PD are Gods.
But I wonder why Turn 10 doesn't get much praise...
The lightning is just a bit off compared to GT5. Forza doesn't really look bad, it's just GT5 which has the best lightning of pretty much any game.
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