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GI.biz: "Wii U less powerful than PS3, Xbox 360, developers say"
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I see what you did there
Let's just jump to the "less powerful than Commodore 64" and be done with this nonsense.
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Franklinator
Member
And you have to use a code wheel
Mr. Saturn
Member
I'm fairly certain the 3DS is more powerful than the PSP. If I'm wrong, anyone can feel free to educate me on the matter.
Glorified G
Member
I dont get this at all. What is the point of an April fool's joke if it's not going to happen on April fool's day?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I'd really like to know what position the unnamed quote came from, even if they can't reveal the company.
Because, you know, a QA Manager probably has less insight into technical capabilities than a Technical Artist or Graphics Programmer.
The quote could be entirely true based on Nintendo not having very good APIs available, or if, say, they were using middleware that didn't support whatever tech the WiiU has yet (as there is a world of difference between 'we don't have drivers to use those shaders yet' and 'those shaders aren't present at a hardware level').
Nintendo historically don't bullshot or quote theoretical performance maximums, preferring to show actual real time engine capabilities and quote real world performance values.
This has also had the tendency to bite them in the arse from a PR point of view. There are still people out there who believe the PS2 was more powerful than the GC.
Because, you know, a QA Manager probably has less insight into technical capabilities than a Technical Artist or Graphics Programmer.
The quote could be entirely true based on Nintendo not having very good APIs available, or if, say, they were using middleware that didn't support whatever tech the WiiU has yet (as there is a world of difference between 'we don't have drivers to use those shaders yet' and 'those shaders aren't present at a hardware level').
Nintendo historically don't bullshot or quote theoretical performance maximums, preferring to show actual real time engine capabilities and quote real world performance values.
This has also had the tendency to bite them in the arse from a PR point of view. There are still people out there who believe the PS2 was more powerful than the GC.
maquiladora
Member
It was posted April 2nd, so not April Fools. And the writer quotes more than one developer saying the same thing. So either multiple sources are in cahoots to feed this guy the same fake story or GI International/Eurogamer are publishing a story totally fabricated inhouse that could be totally discredited at E3 if not sooner, if its not true. Why would do they do that to their reputation?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
The moment this thread pooped up I knew it would be comedy gold.
Thank you NeoGAF for living up to my expectations
Considering that Nintendo could easily get a low end variant of current generation cards for about the same price as PS3/360 (or lower) due to economies of scale I seriously doubt they will do it.
Thank you NeoGAF for living up to my expectations
Considering that Nintendo could easily get a low end variant of current generation cards for about the same price as PS3/360 (or lower) due to economies of scale I seriously doubt they will do it.
The same reason people do them on the 31st.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
It all depends on the price-point they are going for, and I don't believe that's been disclosed yet.
Ninty could, and in my estimation should, be aiming for as low a price-point as possible.
$249 for example.
Thing is, they need to support the additional cost of the tablet controller as part of the cost, and that's going to add a little bit over the normal, also, there's whatever onboard storage medium to add to the price.
Bottom line is why should Nintendo push the boat out on the cpu/gpu when other aspects are more likely to play into its whole product differentiation strategy? They won this generation with a piece of hardware significantly less graphically powerful, so why should they suddenly change their approach?
Ninty could, and in my estimation should, be aiming for as low a price-point as possible.
$249 for example.
Thing is, they need to support the additional cost of the tablet controller as part of the cost, and that's going to add a little bit over the normal, also, there's whatever onboard storage medium to add to the price.
Bottom line is why should Nintendo push the boat out on the cpu/gpu when other aspects are more likely to play into its whole product differentiation strategy? They won this generation with a piece of hardware significantly less graphically powerful, so why should they suddenly change their approach?
Gamer @ Heart
Member
This is a newer more aggressive Nintendo. From a drastic price drop, to securing major japanese exclusives, to throwing their money around making sure Mario came out last year. They do what needs to be done. I totally see them willing to sell it at a loss or close to it to get that valuable hardware/mindshare lead.
Mariah Carey
Member
I don't mind this as long as it's cheap. I refuse to pay a cent over $299.99 for a video game system.
Also aside from the Kinect launch party and a handful of times with my husband's system, I've never played a 360 or PS3 so the graphics will probably wow me regardless.
Also aside from the Kinect launch party and a handful of times with my husband's system, I've never played a 360 or PS3 so the graphics will probably wow me regardless.
DCharlie
Banned
you haven't made it until we get to "jumped up abacus"
well, they could offset it all a fair bit with extremely modest spec - let's face it, the machine doesn't really need to be much better than the X360/PS3. I personally think it'll be better, but the reality is it could be on par and it really doesn't matter - as long as we finally get Nintendo franchises in HD then i'm fine with that (i'm lying here - i'm -not- totally fine with it but i'm prepared to deal with the reality that is Nintendo's recent approach to the market). However, a killer move would be if they've went with a modest spec -and- they're going to throw this out at an insane price like $199/Y19800 - we're talking insta-purchase for -everyone-.
Guess we'll find out soon enough.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Less powerful than PS3/Xbox 360 and a 200-250$ pricepoint.....
I can see it.
I can see it.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Well, the 3DS was more powerful than the PSP but less than the Vita. Probably some where in that window? Though I still think the "power" argument is a foolish one. What I saw looked fun.
Always-honest
Banned
impossible.
Nintnedo's first party games have some of the best art direction in the industry, and even a small increase in hardware power is a welcome change as far as I'm concerned. Heck, look at the Dolphin thread.
Glorified G
Member
If Nintendo feels the Wii U can do well at $300, they'll sell it at that price regardless of the specs.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
this E3 is going to be glorious no matter what happens.
comedy bomb
Banned
The Xbox 720 is two PCs taped together.
You can make this exact same argument for any leak or rumor.
At this rate it's going to be a SNES hd.
Because they're not risking anything by saying "anonymous sources".
Even when said anonymous sources sound like 12 years old talking about "powerful graphics" and "less shaders".
So, it was anonymous, it was a rumor; in a few months everyone will forget..and those that don't; they'll just reiterate that "it was a source" and move on.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
It's been years since I looked forward to an E3 as much as this one.
Playing devil's advocate, but Epic's lack of support for earlier Nintendo hardware has been due to shader limitations, not their "style of gaming." And they could certainly pull off UE3 on hardware less capable than PS3/360 (see: iOS).
I like you, John Harker. You seem like a swell guy, John Harker.
Do continue
UnluckyKate
Member
With 8gigs of ram, Crytek will find a way
April fools was yesterday
SHOTS FIRED
Using Dolphin as the bar is only going to disappoint. That's a HUGE increase in piower. Those beautiful Dolphin screenshots are taken in 1080p and people play those games 1080p 60 fps. The WiiU won't be.
You can't confuse a fan made emulator with Nintendo. Please don't say "Well Dolphin looks this good so WiiU must too!" because that's just not true.
maquiladora
Member
The author of the article has previously worked for EA, Capcom and Activision.
Sources could be old co-workers?
Sources could be old co-workers?
And I think Super Mario Galaxy looks better than 95% of PS3 and 360 games. What's your point?
I was more talking about the quality of their art assets, but I still disagree with you.
What steaming pile of dog shit!
Imo that is not as impressive as some of the best we've seen from the current gen consoles. But it is hard to judge from a GIF.
Pedantry time!
Either they're speaking to people who are terrible at *grammar*, or they're people who are ignorant.
You'd say "The graphic hardware isn't as powerful". "The graphics are just not as powerful" isn't actually a meaningful sentence. Yes, I know it's something we all said as kids, but, well, we're not kids any more, and I'd hope the speaker is an adult too.
Similarly:
That said... it's quite possible to be an experienced graphical developer *and* ignorant of correct grammatical constructs!
Either they're speaking to people who are terrible at *grammar*, or they're people who are ignorant.
This statement would never be said in this form by anyone who understands graphics hardware.
You'd say "The graphic hardware isn't as powerful". "The graphics are just not as powerful" isn't actually a meaningful sentence. Yes, I know it's something we all said as kids, but, well, we're not kids any more, and I'd hope the speaker is an adult too.
Similarly:
Shaders are a coding construct. You don't have a finite number of them. I can see that they might mean shader *units*... but that's a different term.
That said... it's quite possible to be an experienced graphical developer *and* ignorant of correct grammatical constructs!
realraptor
Member
Nintendo can simply rely on brand recognition. They don't have to release cutting edge consoles or handhelds. How about them Pokemon games eh?
People only find things interesting when they're embellished and hyperbolized. If you're this upset over this article though you probably bail out of any WiiU thread until launch.
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