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[Dreams-Visions]

The idea of Neo only games.

There needs to be a reasonable trade-in offer.

there won't be any Neo-only games.

 

[badb0y]

So double the GPU and about 30% faster CPU.

This is pretty good for a mid-cycle upgrade.

 

[Plywood]

Awful.

Spoiler

How many would bend over and take an upgrade price if they trade in their PS4?

 

[chrominance]

typo

PS4 is 176 gb/s I believe

Typo on bandwidth btw, it's 176 -> 218.

I hadn't even considered the typo could be in the original spec. Makes sense. That does seem like a more incremental change, and it sounds like Sony is erring on the conservative side when it comes to Neo Mode improvements.

Two additional thoughts:

1) If games will be mandated to have Neo Mode improvements starting in October, does that mean Sony will have announced the Neo by then? It would be weird for games to come out talking about a Neo mode if Sony hasn't actually acknowledged the existence of the Neo yet, so either it won't be called out on the box art/marketing for fall/winter 2016 games (seems unlikely) or we can assume an E3/Gamescom/Paris announcement for Neo. Of course, that's very late if the release window is in fact Q1 2017, so maybe that's not really new information.

2) If Sony plans to sell the Neo side-by-side with the PS4, at least at first, that has to mean a price drop for the original PS4, right? It's already due for one anyway, and will be even more so in a year, but if Sony wants to differentiate it from the Neo the price difference is going to have to be at least $100, right?

 

[zsynqx]

Still think this is pointless, but I do look forward to replaying UC4 with Neo mode patched in.

 

[bananafactory]

Interesting that they're saying VR wasn't mentioned in these notes. We previously heard that VR was a big focus for this new box

 

[bakedpony]

Glad to have held kff on joining the current gen. Hopefully NEO releases this fall and nit next year. I can't imagine Sony not releasing this ASAP since PS4 console sales will definitely take a dip until then.

 

[EctoPrime]

Memory bandwidth jumped from 17GB/s to 218GB/s? What architectural change would cause such a massive increase?

17GB is DDR3 territory I think it should be 170GB for the Ps4.

 

[BocoDragon]

But PC gaming is hard! You have to download like... a driver!

It will really suck tho. Even playing field - gone. Buy it at launch and know you're set til the end of the gen - gone. Not to mention the fact that devs are barely given time to optimise for the current platform set-up - imagine Ubi trying to launch Unity across 4 configs + PC when they failed to optimise for 2 + PC.

It may be old news in terms of tech-time but I legitimately bought a PS4 in 2013 as my investment for the next 3-6 years.

I feel like I haven't even gotten my return on that investment yet. I certainly didn't spend the money just for early gen 2013-2015 gaming.

I think this legitimately sucks the momentum out of the golden era that was early PS4 and the new post-humbling Sony. A slide back into hubris... It happens to them all.

 

[firebricks3]

Heh, I knew the jaguar cores had more head room to them.

 

[Regiruler]

Can't wait for microsoft's code name GAF

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Holy shit that's more than I was expecting.

 

[kagamin]

NEO, NeoGAF, Neo Geo, coincidence? I THINK NOT!

 

[Trace]

Wouldn't mind giving another $200 assuming I can trade in my current PS4. Not buying it at full price tho obviously.

 

[Movalpolos]

I'm not sure how those specs get you to native 4K while maintaining IQ.

It doesn't.
Read the OP?

 

[Vena]

I'm interested in how much the OC'D Jaguar will bottleneck the GPU.

A lot. The upgraded GPU will be all the hungrier, and the faster RAM will be all the more demanding... and the CPU is still an IPC crapshoot.

Shit, this is fine with me. Pretty much a 25% improvement on CPU, and 2.5x improvement for GPU with a huge 12+x leap in memory? Is the PS4 even memory constrained with its GDDR5?

It's definitely not a PS4.5 but a PS4.25

The RAM is not getting increased 12-fold, unless the PS4 was using DDR1. Its a typo. And increasing the clockrate for a terrible CPU, isn't going to magically fix said terrible CPU. The CPU is still going to bottleneck the GPU hard.

 

[Menitta]

The article says there will be none.

My bad. I honestly missed that.

 

[I-hate-u]

moved

 

[Collateral22]

No NEO only games but expect NEO only performance upgrades on games.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

I can't wait until I can play games on The Neo.

Spoiler

And then talk about them, on The Neo.

 

[Jerm411]

I know I'm probably in the minority but this just doesn't make sense to me at all and seems like a huge mistake......

 

[Zombie James]

Throughout the documents, Sony repeatedly reminds developers that the frame rate of games in NEO Mode must meet or exceed the frame rate of the game on the original PS4 system.

The NEO will not supplant the current PS4, but will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment. The PS4 and NEO will use the same PSN store, connect to the same online communities, and offer the same user experience, so expect to see the same cross media bar that you’re used to. Players will be able to retain all of the purchases they made on the PS4.

Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4.

This should alleviate a lot of people's fears and worries.

 

[The Last One]

That's like an overclocked PS4. So much for the 60 fps...

 

[Garrett Hawke]

It may be old news in terms of tech-time but I legitimately bought a PS4 in 2013 as my investment for the next 3-6 years.

I feel like I haven't even gotten my return on that investment yet. I certainly didn't spend the money just for early gen 2013-2015 gaming.

I think this legitimately sucks the momentum out of the golden era that was early PS4 and the new Sony,

Pretty much. This gen is JUST getting started and we're seeing some really nice, well optimised titles for PS4/XB1. I really think this will impact PS4 momentum.

 

[Drayco21]

Say hey to 15fps, sub 1080p games on regular PS4.

That's my take away from it. Man, fuck this; this kind of path is one of the primary reasons I never bothered with PC gaming.

 

[JABEE]

The article says that the October base mode requirement does not mean the NEO is coming out in October

 

[imBask]

The article says there will be none.

there won't be any Neo-only games.

actually it says they want to keep the 2 CONNECTED and prevent devs from separating the online communities... Doesn't mean that they'll prevent 3rd party from going ps4 neo only, but who knows

 

[[Agent]ZeroNine]

This thread is hilarious. Suddenly people can't enjoy their PS4s as is anymore.
Anyways, NEO + PSVR was needed. I'm super hyped.

 

[potatohead]

Memory bandwidth jumped from 17GB/s to 218GB/s? What architectural change would cause such a massive increase?

It's a typo fam.

176 GB/s is the PS4 GDDR5 speed when using each pool together.

 

[Rellik]

I should hope that they have a trade-in program.

It's the only way I'd even consider getting this.

I've been needing an excuse to get rid of my jet engine PS4 for one that doesn't take off during graphic heavy games.

 

[bananafactory]

Say hey to 15fps, sub 1080p games on regular PS4.

AC Unity is already out

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Seem like a skimpy CPU increase. I guess they decided to with the $399 price. A bit disappointing.

 

[N.Domixis]

NEO, NeoGAF, Neo Geo, coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Crash Bandicoot: Neon Genesis confirmed.

 

[DannyDanger]

The end of "buy it and you're set" consoles as we know it.

I hate this. If I wanted to join the technological power rat race I'd just get into PC gaming.

So the fact that ps4k exclusive games and features are strictly prohibited flew over your head?

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Can't wait to play games at 25fps on "Base Mode"

 

[theecakee]

Fuck yeah Giant Bomb with the scoops

 

[LeeRoyBrown]

No won't buy this shit. What in the fuck my PS4 is only a year old how dare they make me spend more money in a capitalist economy where I dump $1000 on an iPhone every year!

Spoiler

Day 1 please be real.

Honestly reckon this PS4 is mandatory for VR games. Games can have a VR mode and only the ps4k will do it.

So the user base won't be split but if you want VR then you need a ps4k

 

[StarBlazers1]

Good improvement. Good news. Will this leak help MS Compete with their 1.5?

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Say hey to 15fps, sub 1080p games on regular PS4.

Nah. My bet is that Sony and Microsoft instruct Devs to continue to target the OG consoles.

The only adjustment to development will be adding a PC like auto-detect to games so that they get a bump on the new consoles.

 

[Welfare]

Neo.

One.

Xbox One.

Xbox Neo.

NX specs confirmed.

 

[RedRooster]

Wouldn't mind giving another $200 assuming I can trade in my current PS4. Not buying it at full price tho obviously.

You should be able to sell it on the used market for $200, no? Man, the used PS4 market is going to be so saturated, people will be buying $100 used PS4s for secondary machines and laughing.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

It is the one.
Morpheus, Neo, love these Matrix references.

 

[VARIA]

Should went all out with 16GB ram.

 

[Servbot24]

Officially regret getting a PS4. Thanks Sony.

Why? Your PS4 does exactly what it has always done and will continue to do for years.

 

[funkystudent]

Kind of a meh CPU bump.


Don't expect a lot of 60fps

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Sure I'll consider it at some point in the future and likely be my main driver as long as it still plays all the PS4 games normally and then hands I see no problem. Let the consumer decide which version they want of the platform and don't make it the new de facto and if anything it should compete with anything new or that comes out so everything sounds good so far.

Unless you want to make something out of nothing and complain then okay.

 

[xaosslug]

No you won't.

that's EXACTLY what I thought. All these peeps decrying 'DONE!' ain't going no damn where. LMAO

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Man, there are going to be a lot of growing pains if this is the direction (and it seems that it is) that the console space is taking.

I'm not outright opposed to it yet, but am certainly curious to see what the ramifications are.

Ramifications are less early adopters that is for damn sure. The exclusives starting out next gen would have to be out of this world good to really entice people.

 

[mugurumakensei]

This thread is hilarious. Suddenly people can't enjoy their PS4s as is anymore.
Anyways, NEO + PSVR was needed. I'm super hyped.

Yep, base PS4 might need reprojection while Neo will be able to do 90 fps native with downsampling or 120fps native in the same scenarios.

 

[jbug617]

My questions would be:

Will there be separate discs at retail for OG PS4 and NEO?
Would the game disc or download recognize that you are using NEO and turn on NEO mode or would you have to go into options and turn it on?