Because people don't read the OP and even when they do they disregard it by saying "that's not how it'll play out."
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Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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Because people don't read the OP and even when they do they disregard it by saying "that's not how it'll play out."
Hexa
Member
The leak says Sony won't allow PS4K exclusive games or any exclusive content/modes in PS4K.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Quoted. See you in sale threads in... 2019? I think
And suddenly they are also expert market analysts, and they are also expert game developers, and they know exactly how much of an upgrade games will have.
Browsing GAF can sometimes be a cringe-worthy experience...
justsomeguy
Member
Actually sneakersso is a dev and was clear (only in the Xbox 1.5 threads though) about how an upgraded console would make more work for devs.
Like when the PS3 slim, or PS2 slim, or the PSOne stopped people to buy the OG console version, right?
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I'll be there. This kind of practice will shy away more folks than it will bring in.
Hexa
Member
I'm betting 2020 if they want a substantial upgrade over Neo.
I legit cackled at imagining this. I'm a bad person.
Cynn
Member
Battlefront runs at 900p on PS4.
Not really. The real reaction from the current 40M PS4 owners will be when the PS5 releases. If Sony manages to sell 30M PS5 basic version in 2 years then this was a success, if people just keep waiting for the PS5MasterConsole to launch 3 years later then it was a failure.
Are you seriously saying this is like the Slim versions? Really?
No, I had the Wii U, but bailed once I knew NX was coming. My point is that NX is a totally new system, not an upgraded Wii U. That is why it is the only real new hardware that I am interested in. I don't need upgraded versions of the same systems that I already own. I just want games for them.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Because the slim revisions for the PS2 and PS3 are 1:1 with the PS4 Neo upgrade.
Do you think the Slim revisions are the same thing as making a more powerful revision?
At the end of it all your ps4 games will be fine and NEO will have the bells and whistles. Higher framerate/resolution.
But people acting like their ps4 games will run at 15fps are talking nothing but nonsense
perfectsil
Member
The next console may be ps4 3.0, then ps4 4.0, at some point earlier ps4's support become optional
I guess the same people, that did not wait for a slim-model / a cheaper price and went day 1.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Isn't it kinda long? Sony require PS4K games to work with base PS4 so that would be 6 years for ancient specs.
The thing is if you've got a half-decent rig you can play most of the popular PC shooters at 1080p/60fps. Everything but maybe Battlefield (although that's really well optimized) is made so everyone with more than a $100 laptop with 400mhz of RAM and a 1-core CPU will be able to get 60fps at at least 720p. Team Fortress 2, CS:GO, Overwatch, Starcraft, etc are all very undemanding games.
Wut? don't compare a car to a console, cars are machines that lose value and based on mileage and use history can have performance issue (not to mention its a mean of transportation and a necessity for most households), so a Yearly release of Car make sense when in a year is easy to put 40k miles on a car in a country like US.... what a bad comparison,
Abinash117
Member
It happened with the new 3ds and the old 3ds.
It was mentioned in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls2HO9eNzRA and in this article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls2HO9eNzRA .
I could see it happening with some games probably not very popular ones. Even if the game is not popular I could see some anger over it. It also depends on how much the new playstation sales in the future. If it is a lot, it could be that some developers would focus on some level on the ps4k, and down port. Either way there is no guarantee if any of that happens, if some developers focus on the ps4 in the future or not.
Daffy Duck
Member
May have been tidied up already but when this thing is out will there be just one ps4 game and on that disc it will decide which version to serve up based on the machine being used?
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
PlayStation will be a service one day. You sign contracts and get updates consoles and only pay the tax on the upgrades after signing for 2 more years.
Almost the same, yeah. You can keep the OG model and play your games. Or you can buy the new mid-gen model and still.... play the same games. Only difference is, the mid-gen model is more expensive and will run games with better performance.
Neff
Member
It's different because consoles are luxury entertainment products. A lot of console buyers are not enthusiasts, or loyal, and I'm not sure console manufacturers can afford to play so fast and loose with their customers in this way, at least not at a $300-400 price range. We'll see.
We're already well on the way to considering games and movies a disposable, forgettable pastime, and I'm quite open about disliking the idea. I like to buy and keep my enterteinment.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah, it is getting out of hand.
Just like when they said before the PS4 came out, we would barely see 1080p games, it was not enough juice. Yawn.
Uncharted 4 multiplayer is 60fps but without shine of the single player portion, now on the Neo is still a 60fps experience but with probably the same graphics of the single player.
Notice that I believe that the Neo will allow 1080p at 60 fps but with the same graphics of a normal PS4 that will only output 30fps and w/e resolution it comes to the OG PS4.
longdi
Banned
Yes this. No one besides the super hard cores will jump in as first adopters now. Given that first gen games are teh sucky, makes no logical sense to buy PS5 going forward, as such the early userbase will be teh sucky for big budget releases.
That means....Sony is killing the console industry! lolwut!
These meltdowns are truly delicious.
TheCanisDirus
Member
This is like the only thing that kinda irks me.
Theoretically say BF5 runs at 1080p 60fps on the Neo and 900P 30fps on the OG.
Does Sony allow both to play online with different framerates?
Does Sony nerf the Neo experience and cap players at 30fps online?
Does Sony cut textures and resolutions to bring the OG players up to 60fps online?
CrispyBoar
Banned
These; It's like that most people can't or don't read the OP.
They need to go & take reading courses.
Do you think that Hyrule Warrior would have run at 30fps if the N3DS didn't exist? Or should the N3DS and the game not exist at all? Should it have been a N3DS exclusive and not offered a subpar version for 3DS owners?
What's the "right" thing to do?
AuthenticM
Member
..same again for PS4K when released?
'merica
Germany.....a.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yet I believe this was Germany.
Swass
Member
Not as much difference as people are implying.. 360 Elite added HDMI, bigger hard drive, slim design, built in wifi, etc, the original 360 owners game play didn't change because of this machine and neither will original PS4 owners.
Can you please name me what Slim console model actually made games look and run better?
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
You are really downplaying the huge difference, being performance and overall visuals. As much as you like to "think" this PS4 Neo upgrade is like a "Slim" revision, it's not. Not even close. Please stop spreading misinformation. It's practically a lie.
thekiddfran
Member
So Final Fantasy XV is missing the requirement by one day...I really really hope it takes advantage of PS4K because that game really needs it...
Why does it matter if a game looks or runs better in the context of every PS4 owner is still getting continued support on every title. What exactly is the complaint because detractors have not been clear at all other than being disappointed that there is better hardware out there?
Why does it matter if a game looks or runs better in the context of every PS4 owner is still getting continued support on every title. What exactly is the complaint because detractors have not been clear at all other than being disappointed that there is better hardware out there?
Or buff the BF4 Neo with better IQ but at 30fps. But I doubt old titles will patch something, in the case of BF4 its probably the same game on both consoles.
MilkyJoe
Member
Yeah, people will wait three years, that's nothing, only three years...
So many immortals on this board.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This literally makes NO sense. It will literally play EVERY single PS4 game for less than $300.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Abinash117
Member
Sounds like you being defensive all I showed is that it happened before, where the original was worse than the new version for whatever the reason is, lol. The "right" thing to do is what Sony, the publishers, and developers do, whatever they do is really is the "right" way remains to seen.
"Additionally, games released in the late September window will require a day one patch that updates them to NEO standards. "
If this is truly enforced, then Square will be required to patch the game to meet the NEO standards.
Splash Wave
Member
It's funny how the existence of a slightly more powerful PS4 makes the current model "shit," as some members put it. Do you consider it "shit" now?
Oh cool, I didn't see that bit. Hopefully they do it soon then because I am willing to wait a bit for a superior experience. After waiting since 2006 a few extra months won't be a big deal.
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Love this part.
Stop being angry because people, who pay more (or the same price, three years later), can now play their games with better graphics.
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