For $500 dollars I almost want to see them have exclusives and see how far they could push it.
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Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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For $500 dollars I almost want to see them have exclusives and see how far they could push it.
Wii wasn't 2x more powerful than GC..more like 30%.
The games will look sharper. Better effects. Probably nearly universal better fps in vr games. This is definitely enough to market a premium model. Remember: even 'just' a larger hard drive has been enough to market $100 premiums in the past!
Base + neo mode is sensible and I think what a lot of people were suggesting before. The more recent rumours of the ps4 version being 'significantly downgraded' never sounded right to me.
Double the CUs at a higher clock, plus decent CPU bump sounds pretty nice. Will probably grab one if they're the same price
I wonder if they'll redo the base PS4 with a shrink APU to bring costs down?
Double the CUs at a higher clock, plus decent CPU bump sounds pretty nice. Will probably grab one if they're the same price
I wonder if they'll redo the base PS4 with a shrink APU to bring costs down?
Why would Sony ever show their 1st party IP on the old PS4?
You're right that they damn will release footage/demo everything on PS4 Neo and I wouldn't blame them for doing so, it's simple marketing really.
As for people getting angry at potentially poor running PS4 games that's inevitable.
Question is whether these future games were always going to run like shit in the future? But I'd like to believe devs will be doing their best to optimise to their largest pool of customers..who knows with that one..
So would that mean the new PS4 would be getting equivalent of a full Tahiti GPU, without any CUs disabled ?
I guess it would, given just 3.5 Teraflops for Tahiti.
Then the specific clockspeed of the new PS4 GPU (911 MHz) brings it to about 4.1 Teraflops.
Edit: I didn't see this:
Obliterator
Member
If they don't upgrade that wifi card it would be some real bull shit. The one in the PS4 is awful
Reallink
Member
Not just pushed hard, it'll quickly become the defacto standard. Maybe not over night, but gradually over a year or two. Like the 360 Core ("'tard pack"), or 20GB PS3, PS4 base will be a SKU no one wants and retailers don't want to stock.
How about PCS4?
Considering the big install base, I don't think ps4 version of games will get shafted.
If the GameStop rumor is true then Sony is already building games to directly show off the PS4K. If you think they're not going to push this new console, I don't know what to tell you.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
If they price match the launch PS4... those specs are tempting.
and OG owners get fucked (eventually).
Daffy Duck
Member
But how do you get that message across to consumers in a coherent way to those who aren't the die hard performance chasing crowd?
I know they aren't the target audience but they'll be confused by all this.
ElephantShell
Banned
People are acting like Sony is gonna kick in their door and replace their current PS4 with a pile of shit or something.
The box in your house is the exact same as it was when you bought it. Why assume that every new game coming out will run like shit on the standard PS4? The 30-something million unit install base should be incentive for publishers and devs to make sure new games are running at least decently on the standard unit, no?
That's where the majority of people will be playing their games, why wouldn't devs ensure that they're getting a good experience?
Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic but I just don't see games limping along on the standard PS4 being the norm seeing as how they will still be the biggest console user base.
The box in your house is the exact same as it was when you bought it. Why assume that every new game coming out will run like shit on the standard PS4? The 30-something million unit install base should be incentive for publishers and devs to make sure new games are running at least decently on the standard unit, no?
That's where the majority of people will be playing their games, why wouldn't devs ensure that they're getting a good experience?
Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic but I just don't see games limping along on the standard PS4 being the norm seeing as how they will still be the biggest console user base.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Every game will be better on PS4K so i expect they going to show that version .
Still to push something that would depend on marketing .
Which why i say it depends on which one they pushing harder and at what time.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Oh, look, it's a completely conservative upgrade that's nowhere near as extreme as people feared.
Oh, look, a parade of people who can't accept that their PS4 isn't 'the best' anymore. PS4K threads are going to get boring really fast.
Oh, look, a parade of people who can't accept that their PS4 isn't 'the best' anymore. PS4K threads are going to get boring really fast.
So continue to enjoy your PS4 for a few more years. I don't think you're going to get some dramatic 'fall off cliff' performance drop that people like to hyperbolise about. But you'll have to get over the idea that someone might play games hat look a bit better than yours.
As for PSVR - hopefully this will allow games to look a bit nicer, or perhaps some devs will use the power to go native 90 instead of 60. But again, base PS4 users shouldn't worry - Sony are likely to be very strict about PSVR frame rates being solid on both versions.
Yoshi
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You know, it can, and I would guess will most likely be the other way around: Later games are optimised for PS4k and the PS4 profile is just a second note, maybe being patched up later on.
We're does this leave Microsoft?
I can't see Sony being very happy if these leaks are true as it gives ms a chance to go higher, and get the higher spec console out the door.
But if this is a "controlled" leak to bluff the populace and Sony haven't actually firmed the specs and then announce something with better specs come release.
It all just seems a bit iffy.
Plus if ms do go higher. What price point are they going to use. They aren't winning with a lower price now, going back to 499 won't help there cause even if better specced.
As the saying goes:
Interesting times ahead.
I can't see Sony being very happy if these leaks are true as it gives ms a chance to go higher, and get the higher spec console out the door.
But if this is a "controlled" leak to bluff the populace and Sony haven't actually firmed the specs and then announce something with better specs come release.
It all just seems a bit iffy.
Plus if ms do go higher. What price point are they going to use. They aren't winning with a lower price now, going back to 499 won't help there cause even if better specced.
As the saying goes:
Interesting times ahead.
Reallink
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Probably right out of the gate, the launch Neo showpiece's base configuration will probably be 720p-900p with framerate issues. It's not about "downgrading", it's about developers aren't going take the time to pound out optimization.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Oh, look, it's someone complaining about people complaining, that's new.
As much as people try to claim it wont, it will happen. Devs barely have the time to optimize the game for the only PS4 there is now, you will see Xbox One style downgrades to PS4K new poorly performing preset, games running at 720-900p to PS4Ks 1080p.
StoneSarge89
Banned
Marketing wise, I think this will appeal to the Hardcore and the VR Enthusiasts.
The Hardcore is easily turned on by higher resolution and details so that would not be at all hard to do.
The casuals will be pushed towards the base model due to it's lower price.
I wonder if there will ever be a time further in the cycle where the base PS4 stops producing and only the NEO is left running due to lower production costs and sales numbers falling or if it will be as rare and elusive as the Xbox One Elite controller that clearly appeals only for the hardcore.
The Hardcore is easily turned on by higher resolution and details so that would not be at all hard to do.
The casuals will be pushed towards the base model due to it's lower price.
I wonder if there will ever be a time further in the cycle where the base PS4 stops producing and only the NEO is left running due to lower production costs and sales numbers falling or if it will be as rare and elusive as the Xbox One Elite controller that clearly appeals only for the hardcore.
GamerMax73
Member
You know what - this is all pretty much what I've been expecting/arguing for in other threads. We are now left with 2 important questions:
- How long till PS5?
- What happens to Neo when PS5 launches?
That said, I've got no reason to upgrade my PS4 - I'll be staying there and playing the gimped versions of games
If anything, the Neo will get the short end of the stick - for the next year or two at least. Devs will rightly focus on the larger install base, or will already have games in development targeted to that spec. Then they'll just turn up some effects or details based on their (likely) PC engine base for neo.
I'll be shocked if Microsoft doesn't try their hardest to leapfrog this.
ninjablade
Banned
Lol it's still the point, you don't have to upgrade, just look at sony exlusives at the moment they look incredible and run at a rock solid 30fps.
Why shouldn't people be upset? A lot of people bought this system because of what consoles have always been, only to be told that oops, the business model has changed, after purchasing it, after generating a catalogue of games.
If I was told upfront that the PS4 would have iterations, I would have avoided it. Sony can go get fucked.
anothertech
Member
Ok yes I get this. They always test gpus this way as to avoid bottlenecks. And the amount of fps difference in these scenarios will not scale exactly as in the diagram. That is true.
My point that I feel is being missed over and over, is that people here are arguing the unconfirmed spec increase will make little to no difference in fps performance, when that is in my opinion just an obtuse view of it all plain and simple.
It is possible, probable even that doubling the gpu performance this way will get us to 60fps in most cases with the games optimized specifically for this set up in a closed environment.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I'd be shocked if Nintendo doesn't have the exact same strategy with NX.
Consoles are going to be iterative moving forward. Best to accept it now.
gundamkyoukai
Member
SE will just use that extra power for 30fps, better effects and brute force it .
And for me and others that well worth the money (will sell old PS4 and buy a new one).
FFXV on current gen could really use better frame rate and AA.
It's like the DSi to the DS. Except developers apparently are not allowed to have games that only run on the newer refresh, unlike the DSi (and it'd probably have about as many as the DSi if it did)
Rinãã¨ã
Banned
Color me intrigued~~
I really hope this is legit.
I really hope this is legit.
NullPointer
Member
You forgot "will there even be a PS5?"
Why make a PS5 when you can roll out new backwards compatible Playstations with more powerful hardware every few years? The new one becomes the performance model and the older one becomes the budget model and the cycle continues.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Cross-gen support for a couple of years just like any other generation.
spons
Gold Member
Sounds like a waste of time and money for everybody involved. Without exclusives I don't see a reason for this "PS4K" to exist, at all.
Unless Sony believes their minor spec superiority compared to the Xbox One is the reason they're selling so well and they're pushing this to the extreme with a new iteration.
Unless Sony believes their minor spec superiority compared to the Xbox One is the reason they're selling so well and they're pushing this to the extreme with a new iteration.
This looks like a great mid-gen bump, sticking to the same [but overclocked] CPU/RAM to retain compatibility, and providing much better GPU module. Having access to 36CU Radeon will do wonders to games, both old and new!
I still would prefer much more capable CPU, but at least with this move I fully expect PS4K to cost $400€ which is great for consumers.
Indeed.
Neo has 31% faster CPU. If a game was CPU bound, 30fps game could be rendered at ~40fps [without any optimizations]. Little smaller draw distance, little less physics calculations... and with a bit of optimizations 60fps is withing the reach. But not all devs will be interested in that.
What I see happening most of the time is that base PS4 games will run at 1080p30/60 same as now, and PS4K games will just bump it to 1440p which will enable better upscaled picture for 4K TV users and awesome "downsampled" IQ for 1080p TV users.
110%+ faster GPU
overclocked RAM
I still would prefer much more capable CPU, but at least with this move I fully expect PS4K to cost $400€ which is great for consumers.
Indeed.
Neo has 31% faster CPU. If a game was CPU bound, 30fps game could be rendered at ~40fps [without any optimizations]. Little smaller draw distance, little less physics calculations... and with a bit of optimizations 60fps is withing the reach. But not all devs will be interested in that.
What I see happening most of the time is that base PS4 games will run at 1080p30/60 same as now, and PS4K games will just bump it to 1440p which will enable better upscaled picture for 4K TV users and awesome "downsampled" IQ for 1080p TV users.
~31% faster CPU
110%+ faster GPU
overclocked RAM
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The clock speed figure kinda makes me think that Giant Bomb is getting trolled. 911? Really? 9/11... disaster, tragedy...
Nintendo isn't going to release a $400 console.
NX will likely have an expensive (relative to Sony and MS) controller gimmick.
Nintendo loves them some hardware profits.
1440p downscaled to 1080p looks very noticeably better than native 1080p.
Nintendo isn't going to release a $400 console.
NX will likely have an expensive (relative to Sony and MS) controller gimmick.
Nintendo loves them some hardware profits.
1440p downscaled to 1080p looks very noticeably better than native 1080p.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
They should have been up front about it so people who do not want to accept it don't buy into the ecosystem.
Supersampled yes, but if it outputs at 1440p and is then downscaled by a chip you are going to get artifacts.
-hadouken
Member
I'd usually agree, tho I'm guessing they'll call it the 4K. It's an easy marketing strategy that will sell to enthusiasts (and the average Joe who has money to spend) without pissing off people who are unfazed by higher end gear.
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