Yeah I don't want Platinum even near this IP. I was just saying why Platinum are highly respected.
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God of War: Ascension reviews
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Yeah I don't want Platinum even near this IP. I was just saying why Platinum are highly respected.
I agree. Every developer who is respected in the industry is because of the gameplay. All I am trying to say is this is nothing unique about Platinum.
Dragon1893
Member
Gies' twitter feed must be a fucking gold mine. Almost makes me want to follow the guy for a few laughs.
Did he ever find a cheap blu-ray player to replace his PS3?
I wonder how a dev feels when a "journo's" opinion on their game is wondering why it exists. Specially when it's a critically acclaimed franchise that has sold more with each new entry. It's like the guy is talking about Aliens Colonial Marines or something. Unbelievable.
I don't agree on blanketing everyone like that. Gameplay is always king in videogames, but honestly speaking, I wouldn't play some big AAA games unless they weren't so visually pleasing.
However I would play Bayonetta with PS2 assets for all I care.
elbourreau
Member
I do respect their work. It's not what I'm looking for in a game, but I respect.
It's just that I've always wondered why if the internet is so in love with platinum games, they don't sell megatons. Their games are not as "special" as Ueda's, so I always find it weird, and awfully hypocritical!....
Lol!
They offer gameplay experiences that used to be more prevalent, but almost died during last generation. They also tackle unique themes that stand out from the gray mass. It's refreshing that at least few devs didn't jump into the "cinematic action" bandwagon.
Dragon1893
Member
Why is this about Platinum now? Yes, they are amazing but they will never have anything to do with GoW, could this discussion possibly be more pointless?
Man, I really wanna get this game, having played all the others in the series, but a more sensitive kratos kinda makes me uncomfortable. I know, i know, trying to make him a more likeable character and all, but have you read any actual Greek mythology? All of the characters in there, gods or not, are petty and one-dimensional. That's what made me love the gow series in the first place - while the details drastically changed, the core brutal tone of the mythos was accurately represented. I kinda fear that could have been lost in an attempt to make kratos a better character
90TilInfinity
Member
Sessler believes the trophy makes a joke out of the fact that he just beat a Fury (female-looking demon) to death.
He didn't have a problem with the act itself like Arthur Gies did, and I think Sessler is willing to let things within games not bother him since, from what I remember, he didn't bring up misogyny as an issue in DmC.
Net_Wrecker
Member
They make badass gameplay focused action games with fairly deep mechanics, nutty characters, and often sacrifice graphical fidelity for 60fps (Bayo, Rising, Bayo 2, W101). They feel like a throwback company at a time where a whole lot of awful trends are happening in the industry. What's hard to understand?
But that doesn't mean they should be handling GoW either. Totally different approaches to the genre.
Examples?
I mostly meant that their games stand out thematically. Even the futuristic bro shooting theme looks completely unique in Vanquish. Same with Bayo and the new 101 game.
Hmm I just feel we have to agree to disagree then. I dont find Vanquish theme any more unique than a Halo or a KZ2. Wonderful 101 looks freaking awesome and unique though.
Yup. Super disappointing. SSM completely effed up.
elbourreau
Member
Could you explain, if youy have 3minutes, because I totally don't see what is so unique with their vision of the bromance.......
What is there to explain? Vanquish looks, sounds and feels unique among other futuristic shooters. Maybe it's the crazy fast or giant enemy mechs. Maybe the ZoE esque suit for the main characters. Maybe the lightning fast gameplay flow. It just does.
elbourreau
Member
OK. Pure form, so.
Hero of Canton
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The speed and intensity of Vanquish makes it seem almost half-anime. All other third-person shooters feel positively sluggish after you play it. And in terms of sheer spectacle it puts almost all western shooters to shame.
Also, you'd never see the late-game bit with the dancing robots in any western title. Much as it appears to take itself seriously at times, there are moments where it has its tongue firmly planted in its cheek.
Also, you'd never see the late-game bit with the dancing robots in any western title. Much as it appears to take itself seriously at times, there are moments where it has its tongue firmly planted in its cheek.
Dragon1893
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Yeah, that's exactly the opposite of what I wanted to hear. Development time was the same as GoW3 and with that game they had to build a new engine. I was expecting this to be a GoW1 - GoW2 kind of leap because it's their second game on the console.
It's hard not to blame MP if the campaign turns out to be disappointing, there's just no other justification.
Portal 2 has dancing robots, and singing ones.
Yup. MP focus and as a result a consequent lack of ambition to make big changes to SP are the reason for this.
My same thoughts.
A lot of concerns with the MP-waste of resources were rejected by SSM, but at the end the same concerns are going to re-surface supported this time by the evidence.
Yeah, just like Uncharted 2...
But this is not Uncharted 2.
There will always be exceptions to the rule I guess. I mean think about it.
In all the interviews they were like " We are bringing big changes to the series" and what was the change - " we are bringing an epic multiplayer component".
Well what about changes to the SP? " We know SP is our bread and butter so you will see the same formula". So they were just checking the same boxes they have been doing for many years now.
I don't know how they could possibly say that. Why not even bother to shake things up with SP? You know the mode that got your team all the sales.
Hero of Canton
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Portal 2's a comedy puzzle game, not a third-person actioner.
I'm just saying, you said you'd never see dancing robots in a Western game, and you're wrong.
Here, have Mass Effect 2's dancing robot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZkjJbYtTno
Yes. They need to stick to a director who respects the SP component and at the same time realizes that it needs to constantly evolve and not retain the same list of check boxes to tick. Half the problems of fatigue with the series will go once they drop the blades of chaos as a weapon and get something new that is equally as fun to use.
That doesn't count man, only Western cover based third person shooters with a title that starts with a V.
Okay, then how about Vransformers: Vall of Vybertron? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgqNwMHjiw
Pretty good. How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMmtaODTHHA
Bad-guy-night-club-elevator-party.
ezekielpacman
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Platinum should remake Tomb Raider. Platinum should remake Tetris. Platinum should remake the universe.
I'm disappointed by the apparent lack of research or skewed expectations in some of these reviews. I think the Polygon stuff has been covered, but the Edge review says a lot of stuff that makes no sense based on my understanding of the games before (so could well change).
Double jump awkward? Yeah now sure, but with the Icarus wings it wasn't at all. You know... for the other console entries (once he got them). They could hardly regress a mechanic for the sake of canon.
Running against invisible walls? Hello action game, see: Bayonetta, etc. Do we want some awkward Uncharted style wall touching mid combat?
They like a challenge, but not in GoW because combat? Unless things have changed significantly from the demo, I don't see anyone familiar with previous games struggling due to an inadequate combat system. It's no DMC3, but it provides the tools for the job.
No hitstun? I'd have to check in GoW:A, but it definitely existed in previous games on bigger enemies, namely the Cyclops (albeit a cumulative effect).
Overall though, I'm not surprised this has taken a hit in reviews. The SP was inevitably going to be less enthralling as a result of the exhausted source material and a split focus between MP. I don't know where they can go from here, but I am pretty fond of Kratos and would be sad to see him go. At the same time though, I can't see him fitting well shoehorned into mythology X.
Here's hoping the end of 3 has some spectacular development we couldn't see coming.
I'm disappointed by the apparent lack of research or skewed expectations in some of these reviews. I think the Polygon stuff has been covered, but the Edge review says a lot of stuff that makes no sense based on my understanding of the games before (so could well change).
Double jump awkward? Yeah now sure, but with the Icarus wings it wasn't at all. You know... for the other console entries (once he got them). They could hardly regress a mechanic for the sake of canon.
Running against invisible walls? Hello action game, see: Bayonetta, etc. Do we want some awkward Uncharted style wall touching mid combat?
They like a challenge, but not in GoW because combat? Unless things have changed significantly from the demo, I don't see anyone familiar with previous games struggling due to an inadequate combat system. It's no DMC3, but it provides the tools for the job.
No hitstun? I'd have to check in GoW:A, but it definitely existed in previous games on bigger enemies, namely the Cyclops (albeit a cumulative effect).
Overall though, I'm not surprised this has taken a hit in reviews. The SP was inevitably going to be less enthralling as a result of the exhausted source material and a split focus between MP. I don't know where they can go from here, but I am pretty fond of Kratos and would be sad to see him go. At the same time though, I can't see him fitting well shoehorned into mythology X.
Here's hoping the end of 3 has some spectacular development we couldn't see coming.
Maximum Seriousness
MafiaMusic
Banned
disappointing scores... I'm going to get the superior DMC soon, and Rising is out too... Pretty tough sale this year for a 3rd rate action game like this.
pslayer666
Member
Lol, obviously we are.
Games that don't get 9+ are absolute garbage. Lol.
I'm not going to be picking GoW:A right now due to a heavy backlog of games I need to go through first and very limited time, but I'm definitely gonna play it sometime down the line and I'm gonna love every single minute of it.
GoW games are GoW games. I dunno what people were expecting from this.
nice trolling
I can't believe grown ups give this much importance to the reviews these days. Sly got mediocre review, I got it I love it, why? Because it's a Sly game and I like that series. What a shocker.
Acquiescence
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They are disappointing compared to every other God of War game ever made. I'm not a fan of the franchise, but it's no secret that God of War is generally held in very high regard, so that when it gets a slew of middling scores in the first batch of reviews, it's going to show.
FatalMuzza
Banned
Darn. Flopping badly on metacritic. Rant the best games of the generation supposed to hit at the end of a consoles life?
I think the whole "burnt out" argument can be applied to games like Halo, COD, Assassin's Creed, Forza, and maybe even Uncharted. But those games have good gameplay to begin with. God of War never did. It's always been a game with great spectacles but light and fluffy gameplay. I'm just glad reviewers are waking up to this.
Dragon1893
Member
You know, I actually rolled my eyes at a few of the usual "SP will suffer because of MP" comments over the past few days but if that stuff is true I just don't see anothe justification.
It's easy to say "b... bu... but uncharted 2" but this isn't ND and this isn't uncharted. These things have to be judged on a case by case basis. Where ND managed to make a tremendous leap in the SP campaign while at the same time incorporating a very competent MP, here we apaprently have a shorter and less ambitious campaign. We're talking a 3 year dev cycle with pretty much the same grahics engine, where did that time go if they could develop something with GoW3's magnitude in parallel with the engine it's running on in the same timeframe?
Let's be clear though, if the MP is good and I end up putting 30 hours into it that's a lot more value than a couple of extra hours in the campaign.
Then there's the fact that there isn't anything like GoW's MP out there, they couldn't just rip it straight from another game like CD did with Tomb Raider's MP.
The thing is that I was ready to post something along the lines of "GoW lives and dies by it's SP and SSM knows it, no way they're dropping the ball" and it seems like this isn't the case.
If I'm really going to finish it in 7 years and only see a couple of the epic boss fights the series is renowned for then yeah, I'll be disappointed.
I'll share my thoughts on the game when I'm done with it but based on the demo and what I've seen I'll doubt the game will let me down. We'll see.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Nope. You're just not playing on hard or above.
Also, people comparing GOW to Bayo/MGSR etc etc have to keep in mind that Jaffe didn't conceive the series as a combat game, his main inspiration (believe it or not) was "Indiana Jones" style gameplay, with heavy focusing on adventuring. Combat's a big part of it, but God of War has always had more to offer than that.
Well, to be fair, SSM has probably split it's resources into current gen and next gen, similar to ND for UC3 (which I think is the more apt analogy). I think we all have to play the game to know whether ot no we're going to enjoy it, but I agree - <80% on metacritic is disheartening for a SSM game.
