Could be bigger but, series still niche. I really doubt this game will be a FF7 in terms of capturing the mainstream.
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Has the Overload of JRPGs harmed Final Fantasy XV?
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Dangansona
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What about it exactly? Looks the same to me from the trailer I've seen.
Jonneh3003
Banned
TMS is the crossover between Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Sensei but if anything its Persona Lite with better designed dungeons and combat mechanics. I wouldn't rank it ahead of Persona 4 but the core gameplay is certainly more appealing.
Bobs Big Boy
Member
It's got the only chance on the market. The rest of those are miserably Japanese - for the Western market.
MakotoYuki
Member
From that list only Persona 5 could harm it in Japan since they release so closely.
What harmed it is terrible marketing.
What harmed it is terrible marketing.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Sun and Moon now take place in a full 3D environment so the world design is completely different with branching paths and more open design. There are some refinements to the interface such as menus to display stats and buffs in addition to a completely different take on region design. It is still Pokemon when it comes down to it but there are a lot of changes and improvements.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
As someone who lived in the PSX and PS2 years, that's no overload. lol
Neoleo2143
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I'm also excited since they've pared back the amount of characters in the narrative, which means they can focus a lot more on those people so it can turn out a lot more appealing than XY.
NinjaCoachZ
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Persona 5 has the potential to do a million and possibly a bit more, but let's face it, the idea of it outselling FFXV is virtually impossible.
The only JRPG that jumps out at me is World of Final Fantasy, which I am anticipating much more than FFXV.
I really think XV will be a mess. I haven't enjoyed the demos and core gameplay from what I have played. Most of the videos have done very little for me. It just seems off. I would love to be wrong though.
Most other titles on that list aside from DQ11, are extremely niche. It's not the late 90s or early 2000s anymore. Among the actual JRPG community though, I think it's safe to say there is a lot of caution regarding FFXV, which SE only has themselves to blame.
I really think XV will be a mess. I haven't enjoyed the demos and core gameplay from what I have played. Most of the videos have done very little for me. It just seems off. I would love to be wrong though.
Most other titles on that list aside from DQ11, are extremely niche. It's not the late 90s or early 2000s anymore. Among the actual JRPG community though, I think it's safe to say there is a lot of caution regarding FFXV, which SE only has themselves to blame.
Episode Duscae is considered a poor demo?
It comes out 2 weeks before it, that not really close.
Lucky Seven
Banned
I'm still really excited, and I haven't seen any marketing. Less people are hyped for the game and talking about it, and some people are just adjusting their expectations (and hyped may decrease alongside those). The game is coming up to release with no real fanfare from marketers and gaming magazines AKA marketers. It has competition, but that doesn't really impact what I think of the game (I don't understand how it could).
Dangansona
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No definitely not. I was thinking it could hit 3 million which would I think take it out of niche territory. Persona 4 Golden sold over a million on Vita of all places, and that platform introduced a lot of evangelists to the series. With the new game being in PS3 and PS4 and looking as stylish as it does I think this will be the breakthrough title for the series.
NinjaCoachZ
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What's the source for P4G doing a million?
Also, anyone know what's the best-selling non-Nintendo, non-Dragon Quest, non-FF RPG? I feel like the number of those that have done a million is pretty small. Persona 5 doing three million would be unprecedented three times over. I think P4 and Catherine are Atlus's best-selling games in the west and they've done nowhere near that much. Let's not forget that Horizon comes out just two weeks after.
Three million is like, better-selling than every Devil May Cry game. I think that's as much as Kingdom Hearts 1, or what, Tomb Raider 2013 numbers? A typical Monster Hunter? Three million is a ridiculous number.
Triggerhappytel
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No, it taking fucking years to come out and looking mediocre compared to the competition is what has harmed FFXV.
Also
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/docs/160512/page04.html
SQEX seems to be impressed with the preorders. They have said this needs to sell 10 mil. Interest for the game seems healthy.
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/docs/160512/page04.html
SQEX seems to be impressed with the preorders. They have said this needs to sell 10 mil. Interest for the game seems healthy.
Eolz
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Persona 5 doing 3 millions?! Ahahah are you serious?
I really don't think the PS3 version will do much, especially in the west. Hell sales for PS3 versions of games have fallen a lot recently in Japan if my memory is correct. Hell it will get past 2 million maybe, but not much after that.
It doesn't, Tabata says that's just the teams goal for it.
Dangansona
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Worldwide? Yeah potentially. You can mark this down or whatever, I think if the game is good it will happen.
Not that this suddenly validates my opinion, but pretty sure Colin Moriarty predicted the same amount.
Leafhopper
Banned
I don't think an overload of JRPGs is the problem. FF15 just doesn't look fun to me.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I just want to get it over with. If Kingdom Hearts 3 came out 7 years from now, I wouldn't care much about that either.
Those rpgs are quite a bit different from FF XV.
Also, it's just the poor marketing, the fears and expectations and negativity of the FF brand coming together.
I don't care what people are saying based on demos and videos, I'm excited for the game.
EDIT: Also, the comments of people on message boards does not equate to the overall appeal. I think XV is going to appeal more to people who weren't interested in the brand in general, moreso than ever before. That's my opinion anyway.
Also, it's just the poor marketing, the fears and expectations and negativity of the FF brand coming together.
I don't care what people are saying based on demos and videos, I'm excited for the game.
EDIT: Also, the comments of people on message boards does not equate to the overall appeal. I think XV is going to appeal more to people who weren't interested in the brand in general, moreso than ever before. That's my opinion anyway.
Jonneh3003
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There's of course more that I didn't list as I cherry picked the more well known series. I didn't even list Pokemon Sun and Moon.
UberTag
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The two JRPGs I'm most looking forward to this year didn't even make the OP's glut of Square Enix junk.
Namely Trails of Cold Steel 2 and SMT IV Apocalypse. (I remain unabashedly enthusiastic for World of Final Fantasy's cheese/charm potential.)
That said, FFXV doesn't really pander to niche JRPG enthusiasts so much as it panders to self-professed JRPG casuals who have nostalgic pangs for growing up playing Final Fantasy VII.
So no... the preponderance of JRPG fare has little to no impact on FFXV's sales prospects.
It'll handily outsell just about everything else in the genre combined even if it's garbage. (Pokemon excepted, of course.)
Namely Trails of Cold Steel 2 and SMT IV Apocalypse. (I remain unabashedly enthusiastic for World of Final Fantasy's cheese/charm potential.)
That said, FFXV doesn't really pander to niche JRPG enthusiasts so much as it panders to self-professed JRPG casuals who have nostalgic pangs for growing up playing Final Fantasy VII.
So no... the preponderance of JRPG fare has little to no impact on FFXV's sales prospects.
It'll handily outsell just about everything else in the genre combined even if it's garbage. (Pokemon excepted, of course.)
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I mean... it certainly hasn't help. FFXV having several poor showings has done the bulk of the damage, but the overload of JRPGs has given us a string of good alternatives.
None of them have the budget of FFXV, but... well, we're kinda used to it with this genre.
None of them have the budget of FFXV, but... well, we're kinda used to it with this genre.
Much wow with that...
2 million, that's what I'm guessing. Or hell even lower if it's not releasing in Europe any time soon.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Potentially, I suppose, but realistically... Man oh man the game would be a phenomenon if it did a million in Japan alone. Worldwide, that's just... Yeah, I think you might have to make like Larry David and curb your enthusiasm.
FAKE EDIT: I just checked, and the best-selling PS4 game is Uncharted 4, which has barely under 3 million. There's no way Persona 5 is outdoing Uncharted 4.
TheJollyCorner
Member
If anything 'Stand By Me' damaged my overall hype for XV.
I hate that goddamn song...
Still, I'll be there Day 1 with the Deluxe Edition. FF always gets me. Always. :/
I hate that goddamn song...
Still, I'll be there Day 1 with the Deluxe Edition. FF always gets me. Always. :/
CrimsonSquall
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Another day another FFXV thread. Overload of JRPGS? There are no AAA JRPGS out on PS4 unless you count like Bloodborne and DS3.
The only game that can compete would be Persona V, but that's coming in february so who cares. FFXV will sell on name alone, the fact that it's open world is prolly a selling point for some as well considering how well Witcher sold.
XV will outsell everygame bar maybe FFVIIR. Now will it hit the 10M it needs to break even? Real tough question if you ask me
The only game that can compete would be Persona V, but that's coming in february so who cares. FFXV will sell on name alone, the fact that it's open world is prolly a selling point for some as well considering how well Witcher sold.
XV will outsell everygame bar maybe FFVIIR. Now will it hit the 10M it needs to break even? Real tough question if you ask me
cartographer
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Other than the FF7 remake and maybe Kingdom Hearts 3 I don't think any of the games listed in the OP really target the same type of players that FF mainline games usually target. Sure, people who love JRPGs might have an interest in all of them, but FF usually has substantial crossover success with people who might not ever play JRPGs otherwise.
If people at large don't seem interested in the game then it's not because of other JRPGs. It's because of FFXV.
If people at large don't seem interested in the game then it's not because of other JRPGs. It's because of FFXV.
I don't think the existence of other JRPGs will hurt FFXV. As others already pointed out it will stand or fall by its own merits. I think it will sell well since it is a Final Fantasy title, but I am not too sure about the critical reception. I am still trying to be optimistic about the game, but some things we've seen during E3 were worrisome. I think deep in my heart, I just want Square to finally release it and to move on. It's been way too long and I hope they learned their lesson for FFXVI.
I think it will do reasonably well, but it could do better if Atlus JP would actually care about the West (and especially Europe). I was pretty disappointed that they couldn't even provide gameplay in English at E3, although the things they've shown looked good. The game also still doesn't have a publisher in Europe and even if Europe is a smaller market than the US, this is unacceptable. Only hardcore fans will go the import route while many won't even know that this game exists. It's hard to recommend a game to friends if they have to import it to actually play it.
I think it will do reasonably well, but it could do better if Atlus JP would actually care about the West (and especially Europe). I was pretty disappointed that they couldn't even provide gameplay in English at E3, although the things they've shown looked good. The game also still doesn't have a publisher in Europe and even if Europe is a smaller market than the US, this is unacceptable. Only hardcore fans will go the import route while many won't even know that this game exists. It's hard to recommend a game to friends if they have to import it to actually play it.
Dangansona
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That was first week sales for Uncharted.
Darryl M R
Member
MS E3 harmed FFXV
I would love to see Persona 5 pull those numbers--I'm assuming it'll probably deserve it--but I just can't see something so un-apologetically Japanese getting big sales numbers. Atlus has fans, and Persona 4 has been garnering a small but loyal fanbase for many years now, but with no aggressive marketing, it's probably destined to be a "cult hit."
Don't get me wrong, Persona 4 is one of my all-time favorite JRPGs, but outside of specialist gaming forums like this one. Very few people know about the series.
ArkhamFantasy
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I dont really see how games like FF7 remake, Kingdom Hearts 3, Dragon Quest 11, or Ni No Kuni 2 can hurt XV when we dont even have release windows for those games.
As of right now there are not very many JRPGs on PS4, and the ones we do have are mostly ports or remasters of older games.
If XV is good none of this talk will matter, word will get out and people will buy it, if its bad then the role of these other games wont really matter.
As of right now there are not very many JRPGs on PS4, and the ones we do have are mostly ports or remasters of older games.
If XV is good none of this talk will matter, word will get out and people will buy it, if its bad then the role of these other games wont really matter.
It's not even the fact that they're "miserably" Japanese. Every recent entry in a JRPG franchise has been bad to terrible. Tales of Zestiria, Star Ocean V, Xenoblade X, Final Fantasy Type-0... all horrible. New IPs like Setsuna and Legend of Legacy were really bad. The standout is Disgaea 5, but the series has always been the niche of the niche.
Persona 5 will probably sell 2 million copies, and NieR Automata will sell maybe half a million copies if the word of mouth is good. But there is literally no other competition for Final Fantasy XV besides Pokemon.
Persona 5 is on PS3 as well
Sorcerer
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That list of mostly unrelased games makes it seem like people are actually starving for great RPG's. That list is certainly not why FF 15 is perceived poorly.
Square and its total incompetence is at fault.
This is completely subjective, as I disagree with your labeling of 'bad to terrible' with...all of those games. They are all decent to good.
Jonneh3003
Banned
You can't say that about GOTY 2015..
Dangansona
Member
It's definitely going to depend on the marketing. I guess I shouldn't be so confident in their marketing after E3, but assuming they do a pretty good job getting the word out (particularly getting a trailer around the Internet would be good considering how many people on here have been swayed to checking out the game the first time for those stylish trailers) I don't think it's that ridiculous of a milestone.
But like I said, mark it down if you want. If I'm way off I'll change my avatar to something as is custom lol.
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