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Is Knuckles the Echidna's feminist statement accurate?
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ElBoxyBrown
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This is harmless. It's basic level introductory Feminism. Some Kids will keep this knowledge and learn more as they get older.
Maiden Voyage
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Sounds like Echindasplaining to me.
Captainbojanglesiii
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Wasn't aware that show was still around. That's awesome
4 is a cutie
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I wouldn't really call it "harmless" seeing as how popular "not talking about things" is with youths on Youtube and such
It's more it sounds like you've only read about women in a book. It sounds very impersonal and detached.
Muffin1611
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I feel like I'm going mad too
Yeah, he's wrong, since he's dumb as always. Isn't that the joke
Itt people don't know what mansplaining is.
I can see the point, Amy's line is like "don't take it easy on me just because I'm a girl". Could be taken as reinforcing the gender norm instead of as challenging it. In a children's show its probably important to draw the distinction that all girls are equal to boys, not just the "heroines".
I can see the point, Amy's line is like "don't take it easy on me just because I'm a girl". Could be taken as reinforcing the gender norm instead of as challenging it. In a children's show its probably important to draw the distinction that all girls are equal to boys, not just the "heroines".
After like the first two or three...no mas
ElBoxyBrown
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There are all different types of Feminist with different ideologies. What Knuckles was saying is good, in theory. I think that's what the writer was going for. He had a good heart but he's still clumsy.
On that note, I can't believe I am discussing this on a Sonic thread.
echoshifting
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What is this...
Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic CD are 3 of my favorite games of all time
Andrew Korenchkin
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I definitely agree there. Sonic and Knuckles was th3 last good Sonic game.
Though I like 3D Blast.
i mean, i kinda see it, it is good that the equality is noted and to not pretend it doesnt exist, because it does exist.
but i agree with knuckles, being feminist with a big sign pointing to you that says "look at me being feminist" its kinda iffy i think
NOLA_Gaffer
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The game and show don't really have anything in common other than character designs.
Inferno313
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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I'd genuinely rank the combined Sonic 3 and Knuckles side-by-side with Super Mario World as my favorite 16-bit platformer.
Waddle Dee
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So... Sonic Boom writers try to implement a positive feminist message into their show as a cute joke but because it wasn't executed perfectly some are using this as an excuse to say "Another reason Sonic is trash" or "fuck the last 25 years of Sonic".
Is it so hard to just appreciate the attempt and not shitpost about Sonic like what happens in nearly every Sonic thread? Your hot takes aren't anything new.
I think Sonic 3 & Knuckles is in many ways the pinnacle of 2D platformers (at least for what I love about platformers). I'd also say Super Mario World, while certainly great, isn't a huge step up from SMB3 and is a bit bland in many ways (art style, a lot of the level design, bosses). The best 16-bit platformers besides Sonic 3 & Knuckles to me are probably Ristar, Donkey Kong Country 2, and Kirby Super Star. But of course that is all just what I love and in the end they're all worth playing.
Is it so hard to just appreciate the attempt and not shitpost about Sonic like what happens in nearly every Sonic thread? Your hot takes aren't anything new.
I think Sonic 3 & Knuckles is in many ways the pinnacle of 2D platformers (at least for what I love about platformers). I'd also say Super Mario World, while certainly great, isn't a huge step up from SMB3 and is a bit bland in many ways (art style, a lot of the level design, bosses). The best 16-bit platformers besides Sonic 3 & Knuckles to me are probably Ristar, Donkey Kong Country 2, and Kirby Super Star. But of course that is all just what I love and in the end they're all worth playing.
WiiredShawn
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Knuckles is proof that the left won the culture wars.
I think.
I mean, I definitely appreciate the writer's effort here. Feminists should co-opt Knuckles as an icon.
I think.
I mean, I definitely appreciate the writer's effort here. Feminists should co-opt Knuckles as an icon.
Glass Rebel
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She.
Sonic Transformed is the best kart/arcade racer.
Sonic Colors, Generations, Advance, Rush and some others okay. Mania looking strong enough to make up for whatever that other mess is. And of course that Adventure nostalgia
hides how awful of a series that was. Not good games.
the poster is talking about Knuckles i think
Yeah it's fine, kids could be watching far worse.
4 is a cutie
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Not sure what that has to do with what's harmful
But as I said in the OP I do appreciate feminism being talked about in a positive light
Inferno313
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I kinda liked that game, but it is absolutely not.
ElBoxyBrown
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I'm referring to Knuckles.
Andrew Korenchkin
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Yeah, neither SA or SA2 have aged well. Both games are trash outside their OSTs.
I found this true as it leads up to the final boss in Sonic 3. Or was it Sonic and Knuckles where you keep on getting higher and higher with little mini bosses in between. I might be slightly misremembering the mini bosses part. Maybe just harder enemies. Cause I know S&K ends up going to space at the very end but I'm not sure if what I'm describing is the lead up to that or the end of S3.
EDIT: It was Sky Sanctuary Zone near the end of Sonic & Knuckles. Just before Death Egg Zone.
Glass Rebel
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Ah, gotcha. Was confused by the sequence of your sentences. My bad.
I think audience matters. Neckbeard Sonic fans aside, the show is aimed primarily at kids. Kids should be shown a world that treats both girls and boys as equals. Of course that isn't how it is, but gives children an ideal to look up to and internalize. By speaking about it, Amy directly shatters that illusion, so the show writers do what they themselves say shouldn't be done. Wait, what?
Prodigal Son
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this is so fucking stupid its hilarious.
I gotta watch this piece of shit show
I gotta watch this piece of shit show
echoshifting
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I agree! S&K does most of the lifting because it also added a ton of value to the Sonic 2 cart, which isnt the kind of thing that happens very often at all. I loved going through Sonic 2 with Knuckles. Such a cool idea.
Professor Beef
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He wouldn't know, he literally just left high school this year.
WiiredShawn
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In a world of alt-right shitheads and neo-nazis trying to badmouth feminism at every turn, are we in a position to refuse any ally?
Sonic and Knuckles, 2020.
ElBoxyBrown
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It's not that bad.
The Sum of Zero
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Knuckles statement is so poorly constructed -- I don't even necessarily mean the message is wrong, but that it's ambiguous and unclear to me as to what it even means. What is the "this" Knuckles refers to as being implied as an exception? If by "this" he means the breaking of gender barriers (or gender equality as a whole), then isn't the whole point that gender equality is not the status quo, hence pushing for it? A normative claim doesn't have to follow from a descriptive one -- I can acknowledge that gender equality is not the norm without necessarily claiming that it shouldn't be the norm.
Weird move.
Weird move.
Pieman0920
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IrishNinja
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QuantumZebra
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Vermillion
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Not really asking to get into a big thing about it...
But I've never really understood the concept of mansplaining. Like, does the man have to be wrong? Does he have to be condescending about it? Is it literally any time a man explains something to a woman?
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