PixelatedBookake
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I should watch this lmaoooooooo
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Is Knuckles the Echidna's feminist statement accurate?
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I should watch this lmaoooooooo
Professor Beef
Banned
His fucking facial expression, lmaoooo
perfectchaos007
Member
oh shit Christian Whitehead told Sega to use the cartoon to make the sonic franchise go mainstream viral just in time for the launch of the new game! It all makes sense!
SoulUnison
Banned
No, and subsequently women's suffrage was abolished in the Sonic Boom universe.
Kunckles the Reactionary.
Spoiler: Acknowledging current inequalities in a patriarchal society doesn't undermine feminism or progress, neo-reactionaries trying to "Well Actual, Lee..." women when discussing various gender-based issues does. If Knuckles were a true feminist, he'd be aware of current societal bias surrounding female athletes.
You worked with Robotnick once, Knuckles. I thought you'd learned something from him.
Spoiler: Acknowledging current inequalities in a patriarchal society doesn't undermine feminism or progress, neo-reactionaries trying to "Well Actual, Lee..." women when discussing various gender-based issues does. If Knuckles were a true feminist, he'd be aware of current societal bias surrounding female athletes.
You worked with Robotnick once, Knuckles. I thought you'd learned something from him.
AlexFlame116
Member
So are the characters still the same age as their original versions? Cause Tails and Amy don't look like they're 8 and 12 respectively.
Professor Beef
Banned
Once, two decades ago.
I know Knuck is going for the rafters with his argument but it is high level feminism. Unfortunately it remains in the level of social theory instead of actual feminist practice where calling attention to the alteration of "assumed" gender roles in the positive helps to win the actual battle.
One day, calling it out will be passe, but we are not nearly there yet Knuckles, darling.
Waddle Dee
Member
Most Sonic fans, at least the ones in the popular Sonic message boards that are moderated, are very accepting and progressive.
perfectchaos007
Member
He's truly ahead of his time. Already a 4th wave feminist.
As best I can tell, if either or both of the first two conditions apply it's considered "mansplaining." I wouldn't consider this a case of mansplaining, since he's not condescending or patronizing about it in a way that suggests female inferiority, and it's also not necessarily the case that Knuckles knows less about Amy than about feminism just because he's a man -- there are plenty of male feminist philosophers who are justified in explaining feminist theory to someone of either gender, for example.
Messofanego
Banned
Didn't Sonic have a future universe? Maybe Knuckles is speaking from that timeline perspective where gender equality is the norm XD
TissueBox
Member
Imo no, doesn't really make sense as that implication underscores things that individuals can control, whereas equality comprises individuals, institutions, and cultures beyond a single person's capacity. Hence the fight for equaity; it's not one with the concept itself, but with the oppressor in a given era, locale.
no he's probably wave 6 or maybe even 7 like how feminism will be in 2150. Where saying something like "lady racecar driver" will make completely zero sense.
...because there will be no men. All female future.
MaverickHunterX
Member
Having read the thread - I have one request to ask of the universe:
Chances are the new Megaman cartoon is gonna be awful, but if it is, can it be like this, where it's so bad, it's good?
Chances are the new Megaman cartoon is gonna be awful, but if it is, can it be like this, where it's so bad, it's good?
perfectchaos007
Member
True. The word "Gender" will be removed from Websters dictionary by then. It will only be referred to in history books
4 is a cutie
Banned
Too late to explore the world, too early to enjoy the matriarchy
At least we have memes
But it is the exception and not the status quo. Before reaching normalization, awareness needs to happen, and the best way to do that is speaking up. Society as a whole needs to see that gender roles can and should be broken, and silence won't accomplish that. We need more people like Amy who aren't afraid of challenging the status quo and proudly stating so.
Professor Beef
Banned
since it's an all-woman future, would they be called "mom-es" instead?
i'll be here all week, folks
pirateluigi
Member
I'm still not sure if this actually happened or not...
Glass Rebel
Member
I can't believe that Sonic fucking Boom is making me laugh out loud.
Fucking hell.
Fuck.
He'd be ashamed of his co-worker, regardless of the time they were together.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
Not only do I dislike Children's shows attempting to indoctrinate my children, if they're going to try and pull this SJW stuff, they can at least come correct.
In this scene, Amy Rose is not applying for a job. She's playing a sport. With rare exceptions like mixed doubles in tennis ( notwithstanding the debate as to whether or not racing and equestrian are sports), we know that sports are segregated.
We are just two Olympics removed from when the ioc performed the gender test on a woman because she didn't pass the eyeball test with secondary sex characteristics....
We are weeks removed in that very same tennis world where one of the Mcenroe Brothers made a comment about Serena not being better than the men, to downplay her accomplishments. Andy Murray continues to Garner my respect for knocking that trash down. ( and I can't wait for Serena to come back and win a major after having a baby like Kim clysters did to tie Margaret Court... not that she has to but she will)
So no, gender equality is not being undermined when one celebrates a woman's accomplishment in sports over a man's. That would indeed be the exception.
Alternate version of this post: insert joke about WNBA.
well, they seem to be having fun with this show
Gnome Scat
Member
Holy shit it's like the writers and animators are painfully aware of what they're making and just don't give a fuck about it.
This is amazing.
Lordy
I knew someone would post this piss-poor defense eventually.
Other than an unfortunate number of glitches and performance issues on some platforms (PC is fantastic), it absolutely is.
What's the "massive fuss" here
Astral Dog
Member
Its always been like this, gets tiring after awhile
Knuckles is the best part of this damn show.
Like so many other things, reacting in discussion forums is a "massive fuss".
For example:
Ash735 is making a massive fuss over people talking about a kid's show.
Like so many other things, reacting in discussion forums is a "massive fuss".
For example:
Ash735 is making a massive fuss over people talking about a kid's show.
Dunno, I think he's kinda right ?
Amy is basically self-depreciating by asking whether or not a woman can be as good as a man, he's saying that the question implies that women are inherently worse than men at sports and that she's setting herself as an exception should she succeed
So is it mansplaining if he's basically telling her she shouldn't feel held back by her gender ?
Amy is basically self-depreciating by asking whether or not a woman can be as good as a man, he's saying that the question implies that women are inherently worse than men at sports and that she's setting herself as an exception should she succeed
So is it mansplaining if he's basically telling her she shouldn't feel held back by her gender ?
Sonic Boom has different characterizations than the mainline Sonic universe. Some better, some worse, all kind of different. Amy becomes a more assertive go-getter type (as seen in the clip discussed here), Knuckles was made into pure dumb muscle. Sonic's more inconsiderate than in canon (hearkening back to his old, old cartoon portrayal of being more of a trickster archetype than a hero archetype). Haven't seen enough to recall how Tails is different.
You could argue it's the writers of Sonic Boom (the game and the show) failing to understand how Sonic Team's portrayed Knuckles in the past (he was never stupid, just gullible and sometimes stubborn), but given the other changes, i think it's deliberate.
What Knuckles said was wrong because he is an idiot.
That is the point of the joke.
That being said, LOTS of places are not reporting it as one.
Sonic version of Poe's Law
I was thinking this was the dude but the we part makes sense...
https://twitter.com/AlanTheWriter/status/891698095708176384
That is the point of the joke.
That being said, LOTS of places are not reporting it as one.
Sonic version of Poe's Law
I was thinking this was the dude but the we part makes sense...
https://twitter.com/AlanTheWriter/status/891698095708176384
Sparrowhawk
Member
I haven't laughed so hard at something on the internet in a looong time.
Messofanego
Banned
QuantumSquid
Member
Sonic Boom redeemed.
Conkersbadfurday
Member
This thread piqued my interest enough to watch an actual episode.
Uh. Never again, I think. That was rough.
Uh. Never again, I think. That was rough.
Imagine someone who has no idea what it's like to live your reality. Now imagine that person telling you how to deal with the problems you face. Mansplaining may be well-intentioned at times, but it's fundamentally ignorant and frequently condescending, from my understanding.
Did I just mansplain?
There's always one
SapphiCine
Member
I think the writer's intention was good but fumbled the execution. For one they didn't think about it coming across as mansplaining.
cartographer
Member
Why did nobody tell me about this?
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