Foxtastical
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That must be exactly what I said.WanderingWind said:
Protip: I'm not defending this guy, he sounds like a complete doucher. I'm just defending the idea that you don't have to beat a game in order to review it.
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Joystiq will not be reviewing Nier
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Protip: I'm not defending this guy, he sounds like a complete doucher. I'm just defending the idea that you don't have to beat a game in order to review it.
WanderingWind said:
Well we can count out memorable characters as this is a Squeenix game, but we'll see about the other "pros".
I'll get Nier when its ten bucks because it just seems awful in about every way and I've already wasted my money enough this year on SquareEnix games.
It just seems like one of those games with a billion flaws around every corner but people overlook 'em because, hey, what else are you gonna play if you like jRPGs this gen on consoles? FFXIII? Lost Odyssey? Haha. Plus, the action gameplay looks abysmal
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Amir0x said:
Final Fantasy VII HD - coming exclusively to PS3 as per the leaked E3 list thread!
Is White Knight Chronicles any good?
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
FateBreaker said:Some reviewers, I swear, are so terrible.
The fishing thing is ENTIRELY optional. If you don't want to do it, don't. If you fail the shaman fish thing three times, you automatically get it. And then that's it.
The fact that he a) didn't realize this and b) is letting this hinder the absolutely amazing experience is almost insulting. When people think of Nier now, they will think of this. They will think this is a the whole game. The (indeed) worst thing about Nier, entirely optional, is going to destroy sales. And I won't get a Nier 2. >!!
Don't judge a book/game by its cover. This is the sleeper of the year. Just visit the thread and see how much praise it's getting.
But he was saying it wasn't optional, I think. He said his daughter was sick and he had to catch that one type of fish. Did I hear him wrong?
Rahxephon91
Banned
The games by Cavia and they maybe have better characters then Square games. If only because of the mature factor of them. You know incest and hermaphrodites and stuff.Amir0x said:
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Amir0x said:
Meh. I think if you get bored enough to search my posts in the FFXIII thread, you'll see I'm definitely not a Squeenix fan. That doesn't mean this game is the exception to their rule. I was shocked, frankly.
I'm not going to really debate the merits of the characters because unlike FFXIII I really don't know too much about the greater details of the story. I just know there's bizarre hermaphrodite demon girls and crazy book tipsters and it seems just like the sort of shit I'd hate, like you'd need to be into that Japan craziness to care about.
Maybe part of the reason i find this fun and amusing and not bad is because I realize that all videogame reviews, previews, etc. are all pretty stupid. They're not impartial, they're not unbiased, they're probably rarely ethical (it's okay that they flew me to this exotic resort, bought me bunch of alcohol, and made me buddy buddy with the developers, I can still be completely impartial and honest lol money hats). They're just what a bunch of guys with no more qualifications than you or me think of videogames. At least he's being honest rather then looking at the cover and then writing a review.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Combichristoffersen said:
Hell no.
And Amir0x? I'm not a Japanophile either. Seriously. You'll regret not playing this one earlier. Check the official thread. It's the surprise game of 2010.
WanderingWind said:
I think I'll take my chances here. I'm really happy it did it for you, but, I'm not a forgiving person when it comes to games. I've read about the various horrors in Nier, and I don't think I have the patience for it (even putting aside its story/characters, which there is virtually no chance of me liking anyway).
After I threw my money in the fire over FFXIII, and with all the various reports confirming Nier is a mess, I just can't do it. At $10, I can.
FateBreaker
Member
Amir0x said:
I don't know how you can possibly expect Nier to seemingly be something. It constantly changes what it is.
Community Forum
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At least the Joystiq dude played some of the game before completely dismissing it.
mjemirzian
Banned
Rahxephon91 said:
http://zoome.jp/nekopunch/diary/37
Video of a skilled player going through the level without dodging once on NSIC, and never dropping their combo chain. You should not discuss 'facts' when you aren't aware of what skilled players are capable of. That's a big mistake a lot of games journalists make as well.
Just because the level isn't 'what you expected' doesn't automatically make it poorly designed or executed.
Rahxephon91
Banned
But the characters are edgy because she shes got a dick and cruses a lot or something.Amir0x said:
Ok slim jim since I'm no crazy Japanese gamer I can't tell if that's on hard or whatever. Hey its cool for him but the fact is that doesn't prove anything. What that guy did is limit himself aka giving yourself a disadvantage. A good game shouldn't have you do that in order to make it challenging and fun. Since I used what the game gave me me it made the level entirely boring.
And lets not forgot I was buying a third person action game, not after burner.
Oh so I should be alright when Star Craft 2 puts in fighting game levels. Yeah I should be thrilled. What happens if I don't like fighting games? And I don't call level design something where I have to put myself at a disadvantage great.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
BlazingDarkness said:
Yeah wtf is up with that?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
WanderingWind said:
Oh. Such a shame. I thought it looked promising when it was first revealed :/
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
What a fragile ego that reviewer has. Feel bad for him.
We got our review copy on friday. I'm guessing it's the same reason movie studios delay press reviews for films that are tracking poorly, apparently Squeenix didn't expect much from Nier.ICallItFutile said:
I was ready to write it off after a bland intro, but 15 hours deep and I'm quite fond of the game. Lowered expectations? Maybe, but there's good stuff in there.
FateBreaker
Member
Big Ass Ramp said:
You heard him right. I am saying he is factually incorrect.
After three tries, the game automatically gives you the shaman fish. After that, you don't have to do the minigame again.
I don't understand how he could miss this, either. The game hilariously says "three days later..." and Nier finally gets the fish.
mjemirzian
Banned
Rahxephon91 said:
Actually dodging in that section is a disadvantageous move which is why he doesn't use it. Amusingly dodging in the latest afterburner arcade port on xbox live is also a bad move.
In any case, it looks like the 'this is poorly designed and executed' argument is falling apart yet again.. until the next thread when someone offhandedly tries to bash the stage.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Combichristoffersen said:
I did too. I did too.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Rahxephon91 said:
Actually not dodging is easier since you can fire off more shots and thus get more missiles, which will kill things faster.
I played through it and only used dodge during the few attacks that activated witch time and did much better than when I was spamming dodge.
I still don't like the level that much but it was definitely way less shitty. Take that as you will.
MikeE21286
Member
haha, nice SE
Rahxephon91
Banned
How is it a disadvantage? When you use it basically nothing will ever hit you and you can stay in one place. I know this to be true. I just beat this game like two days.mjemirzian said:
Fine that makes more sense.
I never said it was poorly designed. I just said it was un-fun and not needed. Which to me it is. You can believe its designed very well all you want. Doesn't change the fact that to me it was a weak point in a pretty good game.
I had similar issues trying to catch the fish, so a week before the game came out in the U.S. I was still able to pop online, ask about it and get quick responses from fellow gamers.
The fishing in the game is crap, but it took me no time at all to find out what I was doing wrong and get back to enjoying a flawed but still quite good game.
The reason this is annoying is that most everyone posting in the Nier thread is posting the same sort of things - went in expecting the worst, came out surprised that it's not just not crap, but pretty good with flaws that an amazing soundtrack and some of the best translation work in years let you forget.
Not everything Nier tries works, but it mostly does and considering it's actually trying so many things and not failing it's not something to gloss over in a time when one of the main sticking points this gen being there's developers are out there saying that pulling off this sort of game is impossible without the resources of a small planet. Cavia of all fucking people actually realised stupidly high ambitions without fundementally screwing something up. It really puts them on the map as a company to watch, beyond 'the company with the most crazy different and crazy Japanese storytelling in modern gaming.
Between Yakuza 3, Nier and Monster Hunter Tri, this is the year for frustrating fishing minigames.
The fishing in the game is crap, but it took me no time at all to find out what I was doing wrong and get back to enjoying a flawed but still quite good game.
The reason this is annoying is that most everyone posting in the Nier thread is posting the same sort of things - went in expecting the worst, came out surprised that it's not just not crap, but pretty good with flaws that an amazing soundtrack and some of the best translation work in years let you forget.
Not everything Nier tries works, but it mostly does and considering it's actually trying so many things and not failing it's not something to gloss over in a time when one of the main sticking points this gen being there's developers are out there saying that pulling off this sort of game is impossible without the resources of a small planet. Cavia of all fucking people actually realised stupidly high ambitions without fundementally screwing something up. It really puts them on the map as a company to watch, beyond 'the company with the most crazy different and crazy Japanese storytelling in modern gaming.
Between Yakuza 3, Nier and Monster Hunter Tri, this is the year for frustrating fishing minigames.
LQX
Member
Holy shit I had the same headache fishing in Zelda on the Wii. I so fucking hated it.
And I see where he is coming from even with games you like. I loved Shadow of the Colossus but after trying to beat the last boss for days I just said fuck it as it was making me hate the game more than love it. I hate annoying tedious shit like that and just seeing that fishing part makes me not even want to buy a game like that at bargain bin prices.
And I see where he is coming from even with games you like. I loved Shadow of the Colossus but after trying to beat the last boss for days I just said fuck it as it was making me hate the game more than love it. I hate annoying tedious shit like that and just seeing that fishing part makes me not even want to buy a game like that at bargain bin prices.
K' Dash said:
I could never pass the beginning of the third disk. The characters were all boring to me. Especially with the whole everyone is suffering from amnesia. Then the funeral sequence and the fact that you have to baby sit the two twins them killed the game for me. Battle system was slow and boring and the immortal link system wasn't fun or great, it was tiresome to always switch the roster to bring your immortal up to speed. The bad guy was some wizard with ridiculous eyebrows creating mud puppets and controlling some incompetent prince.
The only JRPG I liked enough to replay this gen was ToV.
mjemirzian
Banned
Don't worry, Joystiq, these guys couldn't find the fish either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWlUu54muOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWlUu54muOs
GitarooMan
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I couldn't care less if this guy reviews it or not, but Nier reeks of one of those "GAF-approved" games that makes tons of shitty decisions and has a lot of flaws (that are pointed out in reviews that are often categorized as "don't get the game" or "missed the point") but a core group at GAF loves its quirky charm and are falling over each other to tell everyone to get it. It happens like 3 or 4 times a year. This year so far we've had Deadly Premonition and now Nier.
The joystiq video non-withstanding (I mean, too many people commented enough about it here), I think this entire appeal for Nier is a Catch-22.
I mean, right now I'm not quite financially in the spot where I can take risks with a $60 game that I might hate. But that's okay, every game deserves a chance! So I'll check the reviews and...
Oh wait, GAF tells me that the reviews aren't trustworthy...
Okay then, let's check the official thread for impressions! ... Hm, hermaphrodite fawning, and a load of comments saying it's the best console RPG to come out this generation. Okay, why is it the best RPGs to come out this generation? The music is awesome? That's good, but I can already get the OST, so I don't see why I should buy a game for that... It's better than FFXIII? ... Okay, given how divisive FFXIII was, it's likely to see a fair amount of people that might think ill of it.
Okay, I shouldn't check the press reviews and the impressions so far really don't tell me a lot about the game. What about the Giant Bomb quicklook- Oh... I shouldn't watch that because apparently Ryan sucks at games. So where in the hell can I get info to see why this game is so immaculate? "Oh, you have to try it for yourself and see the greatest!"
Ugh.
I mean, right now I'm not quite financially in the spot where I can take risks with a $60 game that I might hate. But that's okay, every game deserves a chance! So I'll check the reviews and...
Oh wait, GAF tells me that the reviews aren't trustworthy...
Okay then, let's check the official thread for impressions! ... Hm, hermaphrodite fawning, and a load of comments saying it's the best console RPG to come out this generation. Okay, why is it the best RPGs to come out this generation? The music is awesome? That's good, but I can already get the OST, so I don't see why I should buy a game for that... It's better than FFXIII? ... Okay, given how divisive FFXIII was, it's likely to see a fair amount of people that might think ill of it.
Okay, I shouldn't check the press reviews and the impressions so far really don't tell me a lot about the game. What about the Giant Bomb quicklook- Oh... I shouldn't watch that because apparently Ryan sucks at games. So where in the hell can I get info to see why this game is so immaculate? "Oh, you have to try it for yourself and see the greatest!"
Ugh.
thetrin
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Amir0x said:
I didn't realize the publisher can change whether or not the characters in a game are memorable. Please school me more on the ins and outs of game development, Amir0x.
Diablos said:
I know your taste in games Diablos. You'd like Nier. You really would.
MidgarBlowedUp said:
That's about as glowing a review as any game can get.
ZephyrFate
Banned
You should actually play the fucking game before you make any judgment. The Drakengard games were good, and this game is, apparently, fairly awesome.Rahxephon91 said:
Fimbulvetr
Member
Feep said:
Vagrant Story says hi.
Rahxephon91
Banned
I've played Nier, Bullet Witch, Winback 2, Drakengard 1 and 2, Ghost in the Shell SAC, Beat Down, and the Resident Evil games. I think I know my Cavia games. And I also think I can say that Nier is not very good.ZephyrFate said:
PflargBlarg
Member
I don't have much to say about the video. Justin fucked up and made a silly video, which was still pretty funny. It's not like he's constantly doing this, all his other reviews are fine, and he's hilarious on the podcast.
Anyway, the reason I posted was to say that Lost Odyssey is not anywhere close to being the best JRPG of the generation. I hate that game with a burning passion, hate it so much. The characters are fucking terrible, TERRIBLE. It has some of the worst costume design I've ever seen, and the battle system is boring as fuck. I got near the end and got locked into a situation where I could not beat the enemies required to progress. Because of how it was set up I couldn't go anywhere to level up. I was stuck having to fight these guys (which were impossible for me to beat) or to quit the game.
Guess what I did.
Fuck that game.
Anyway, the reason I posted was to say that Lost Odyssey is not anywhere close to being the best JRPG of the generation. I hate that game with a burning passion, hate it so much. The characters are fucking terrible, TERRIBLE. It has some of the worst costume design I've ever seen, and the battle system is boring as fuck. I got near the end and got locked into a situation where I could not beat the enemies required to progress. Because of how it was set up I couldn't go anywhere to level up. I was stuck having to fight these guys (which were impossible for me to beat) or to quit the game.
Guess what I did.
Fuck that game.