Of course we can critcize art. Art by definition is an expression of the artist--designed to make you feel something---whether positively or negatively.
I'm not saying don't criticize..I think everything should.
But for people to say things like this shouldn't be included in Suda's game because it's derogatory for women...nah.
If you're going to complain about my point, you would do better to actually describe your position on why you think my points are invalid. Women have the freedom to dress how they want and to dress themselves responsibly. If a man dressed up in nothing but a thong and chest-hugging shirt and got ogled at in public and later complained about people "visually undressing" him, I'd be just as dismissive of his complaint.
If I want to get taken seriously at a job interview, I wouldn't choose to dress like a stripper. People make conscious decisions about how they dress.
Does your woman realize you're assaulting her every time you check her out?!I won't lie I watched the clip and thought it was so ridiculous I started laughing. Maybe I'm part of the problem? Funny enough, I have mucho respect for woman. Ask my gf if you have to
Snake has a great ass. I can't compete with that ass. I can't compete with the Big Boss. I demand Kojima stop with this silly male fantasy of being buff and huge and having casual sex.
People say things and features say things should not be included in games for bunches of other reasons. This is no different. Its criticism.
Sounds like you're defending it to me, at least as something to not get worked up over ;p
People say things and features say things should not be included in games for bunches of other reasons. This is no different. Its criticism.
or it we can criticize art we think is shitty like normal people. I have no feelings on this game yet.
Also PC isnt a thing really
I suppose it should be noted that this is the intended reaction.I won't lie I watched the clip and thought it was so ridiculous I started laughing. Maybe I'm part of the problem? Funny enough, I have mucho respect for woman. Ask my gf if you have to
So if RapeLay had x-ray glasses, would it be acceptable?I'm saying that in an entirely fictionalized and different world from our own, context is absolutely required before taking such a hard stance on anything.
This is like criticizing a movie for its trailer.
And sometimes you end up absolutely right.
If that's the case them maybe those people can step back and consider why others might find a mode that offers no value to anybody which exists solely to objectify women is a disgusting practice.
Sorry.
Either games are art or they aren't. Let's make up our minds on this here and now.
Because if they are, they aren't subject to PC and complaints such as these. It's the directors vision and whether you wanna partake in his vision (i.e. purchasing the game).
If they aren't art, then they do indeed need to be PC and this entire discussion has merit.
So which is it everyone?
American game journalist are all rised by the grandmothers?
I have done that.
And sometimes you end up absolutely right.
Not saying this game will be terrible, but sometimes bits and pieces being revealed shows a bigger terrible picture.
Not when it's based in something being "offensive" or "wrong".
As Snake said earlier, where exactly do we draw the line if some of you want a line to be drawn?
exactly
would these people flip a shit over Nabokov?
Matt's British, which considering the Prime Minister defended the practice of printing topless women on page 3 in newspapers earlier this week, makes this video curiously out of character. /s
Suda's schtick is getting old. All of his games that I've played are terrible, and his perverted humor isn't even funny in an ironic sense.
I never played Killer 7 or No More Heroes so don't slander me based on those games.
Oh Kojima, you are so cray.I once got a trophy for hiding in a closet and looking at a picture of a halfnaked woman.. The beloved character even moaned and groaned..
Can one still respect women while playing 100 survival mode fights to unlock a bikini in DOA5?
Can one still respect women while playing 100 survival mode fights to unlock a bikini in DOA5?
I'd be interested to see how Lolita would be received if it was newly released today.exactly
would these people flip a shit over Nabokov?
You see, his problem is that he actually sees women as mere sex objects and because of that he can't even conceive that we may actually care about the way they are portrayed in videogames. He projects, and reasons that we do this on order to get into someone's pants.In other words, if you have anything in any way that may be construed as supporting a feminist view, shut your mouth. Opinions that don't fall in that intersection? Preach on man.
I'd be interested to see how Lolita would be received if it was newly released today.
missed the point of my postI'm going to jump into this shitstorm and ask what rock you've been under? That's in all the past Saints Rows. Sure, the "Sexual Attraction" meter was introduced in 3, but there's nothing stopping your female (or male) character wearing (literally or almost) nothing.
you got it haha
No its the same, you can just argue the validity of it. Like you do with criticism, if you believe in your thing argue for it.
It's ironic that this constant crusade against the sexualization of female characters in gaming is verging on the reinforcement of puritanical sensibilities. The same aversions to vulgarity and imposed modesty that once prevented women from ever experiencing an orgasm, wearing a skirt above the ankles or pants, choosing their partners, being educated, working etc... and instead burned them at the stake after branding them as adulterous witches of Satan and whores of Babylon.
I think the people who are saying that they'll never purchase this game...never planned to buy this game in the first place. Japan doesn't give a flying fuck about this, suda fans are already clamoring over this, and suda himself doesn't give a fuck.