Doctor_Thomas
Member
Ah, the downside of cartridges and why the industry moved away from them, they cost more to produce as the space required increases.
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Lego City Undercover Switch cover mentions 13GB download [Up3: Full game on card]
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Jonneh3003
Banned
Do you not buy physical Xbox One and PS4 games? You have to install all of them.
sir_bumble_bee
Member
"Mind" is an understatement. You have people outright skipping games based on the Switch tax. WB opted for splitting the game in half for the sake of price and they receive equal amounts of crap for it.
The point I'm making is that Nintendo put 3rd parties in a complicated situation.
Exactly.
While DQH I-II is priced higher than most of Switch's launch games, it's also true that in Japan pricing works differently, so much that the original DQH / DQHII were over 8,000 Yen each at launch.
Installing is not the same as downloading. Come on.
Sycoraxic98
Neo Member
Yes there is. The 32GB cart is expensive. DQHI・II (only in Japan right now) is a very expensive cartridge, and doesn't have a multiplatform release. The Switch, and card format, are so new that economies of scale haven't kicked in to lower the cost of production; it's why the only sub-$40 retail release you've seen so far hasn't been from GameStop themselves with Has-Been Heroes, but that's another story.
They could release LEGO City Undercover on a 32 GB card, and be the second game globally to do so. They also would have to ship at a significantly higher upfront cost (at least $10 more,) just so they have literally any margin on the game. If they have zero margin, they have no reason to sell it to you.
Making the consumer front the storage cost is shitty. I don't defend it. But saying there isn't a reason it can't go with a 32GB card is disingenuous or misinformed.
They should just pass the cost off to consumers. Like I said, let Nintendo take the pr hit for games being more expensive.
And stop these shady backroom agreements that say physical and digital should be the same price. That makes no sense.
difference is consoles come with 1TB of space out the box
Nop it's a normal price for 2 games. Rime is more expensive but Monster Boy and the cursed Kingdom no, therefore it's just a publisher decision.
I don't recall him sharing any information on prices of different card sizes.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Of course not but that isn't my point. The user asked what the point was in buying the physical version, the answer is the same reason as Xbox One and PS4 physical games. Gifting, collecting and reselling.
Robin64
Member
Metal Gear Solid V was the best. The disc just contained an 8.78 MB Steam Installer exe file.
You have no evidence of that.
PdotMichael
Banned
So much about the old game cards are cheaper than BDs discussion.
I'm sort of with you on this. If Nintendo want the device and games to sell so well, they need to take a bit of a hit and provide carts to publishers for as cheap as possible, or maybe even take a hit out of their licensing fee etc.
Nintendo are the tight arses here and ones to blame.
It's WB tho, if it was an indie studio, I could understand, but WB can eat a wagon of shit with this strategy.
Waluigilicious
Member
This is even worse than patches that greatly improve the game. For example imagine a game ships with a huge bug (Pokemon X/Y saving bug) or bad controls (Bomberman kinda) if someone doesn't have an Internet connection or the servers go down years later, everyone will have to play the day 1 version. So it's just as important publishers get games right from the get go. Even something like Mario Kart 8 has been improved massively.. It had no map! It's just as important publishers don't get lazy if their game is getting a physical release.
frankie_baby
Member
is this really that bad? As long as this is the exception not the norm, with mandatory installs and updates we are living in a world where owning 5 to 10 physical games can fill up competing systems
Wowfunhappy
Member
Did Breadth of the Wild Wii U actually require a download? I was under the impression it was just a data installno internet required.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Isn't this literally always the case though? Digital is just the RRP for the game which is why the physical version is often lower as stores try to undercut each other below the RRP?
Sword Of Doom
Member
They did. This is the only way I can see something like the Switch existing though? Games are big, and we have a system where a disc drive just wouldn't work. I think it's a shitty situation and maybe something Nintendo should have considered before designing the console.
Deadpool_X
Banned
This doesn't bother me, as I'm going all digital on Switch anyway.
What if you wanna play the game 15 years later when the servers are offline?
Lovely Salsa
Banned
I woundnt have much problem with this if switch came with 256 gb internal memory. I aint buying a SD card
Such a mess
Such a mess
MegaManTrigger
Banned
I was interested in it because I heard great WOM but they can go fuck off with cheapening out like that.
sixteen-bit
Member
That's so shitty, lol.
Wonder if it'll become a trend.
Wonder if it'll become a trend.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Those are disks tho, I have different expectations for carts. That being said I dont like installing games on consoles either.
What if people who buy digitally want to play the game in 15 years time when the servers are offline?
it's the same thing
Mikey Jr.
Member
Or 2 games on the switch!
It's likely Nintendo is already subsidizing games on the catridges.
DoctorFish
Member
This is very concerning if more publishers are going to go this route. I can't think of a concept more antithetical to the idea of buying a physical copy than this.
If they're doing this because of price parity then I think Nintendo has made a major mistake in whatever they're charging publishers to make things, but if the publisher itself is just cheaping out then that makes them look bad. Either way, I'm not happy with this and I am probably going to avoid this one despite hearing good things about the Wii U version.
If they're doing this because of price parity then I think Nintendo has made a major mistake in whatever they're charging publishers to make things, but if the publisher itself is just cheaping out then that makes them look bad. Either way, I'm not happy with this and I am probably going to avoid this one despite hearing good things about the Wii U version.
Jonneh3003
Banned
The article is dated before the game launched so it would be great if someone could confirm but it does seem to be the case:
https://gamerant.com/legend-zelda-breath-wild-wii-u-3-gb/
That's not the same thing though. That's installing the game from the disc. You don't even have to be connected to the internet to do that. This situation is you buying the cart from the store and then having to downloaded the other half of the damn game! You don't even have the content on the cart you just purchase where as with the installing you have that content on the disc!
BoTW required an install.
Both have 4TB hard drives attached to them.
I can't do anywhere near that with the Switch.
The Switch works as a console for me if I can conveniently buy and use cartridges. If it has all of the downsides of a home console and no advantages, it's a fundamentally flawed product.
Nintendo needs to get ahead of this and subsidize larger carts.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Blame Warner Bros. Games for this garbage, not Nintendo.
ShiftaDeband
Member
I completely agree. Back when, a release day was just that - everything that you could possibly play test for had to be checked, and checked again. Sure, minor bug fixes were made (looking at you, OoT) but otherwise, there was no internet connection. Devs are being pushed way too hard by publishers these days. I wish there was more balance.
Similarly, your reasoning is why I've started to move back to physical games.
sechsterangriff
Member
There was the case of World of Final Fantasy where both English and Japanese voice acting was a free DLC. The difference from this is you could play the whole game, it's just the voice acting that had to be downloadable separately because Vita game carts can only hold up to 4GB.