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Let's talk Xbox 720: Xbox World shares everything it knows about the next console
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outunderthestars
Banned
Well they had a new system coming out in 18 months, and weren't ready to talk about that yet. They have games in the pipeline, just nothing they wanted to talk about at the end of the 360's lifespan. Notice that almsot every major 360 game is coming out in Spring?
And Ryse from Crytek was mysteriously missing.
That's what's bothering me about them. I want a good adventure game, platformer, or RPG and they just aren't providing exclusives in those genres and focus more on either shooters or kinect games while paying off devs to give them advantages when it comes to big name third party games. My purchase of their next system depends entirely on their new IPs at this point.
Proelite
Member
We'll hear about what was in the dev kits pretty soon.
I'll put my reputation on the line that they're amazing.
Yeah I just skimmed the conference on youtube and out of the hour and a half, roughly a half hour was spent not promoting a game, talking about features and apps.
So, yeah, definitely not focused on games at all.
We'll hear about what was in the dev kits pretty soon.
I'll put my reputation on the line that they're amazing.
You have a reputation to put on the line? =p
Proelite
Member
Shieetttttttt.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
We'll hear about what was in the dev kits pretty soon.
I'll put my reputation on the line that they're amazing.
gaming_noob
Member
I'm very very excite.
JonathanPower
Member
Well, as I said in another thread, going with an X86 AMD CPU does not seem the best solution for a gaming console. First off because in a traditional X86 CPU there is a lot of useless silicon that would just increase complexity, size, heat, and power consumption without any actual benfit in terms of gaming. Second because Jaguar cores are not very powerful. Third because with the same budget you could have a very powerful customized PowerPc CPU designed for what is really needed for gaming. So unless AMD is making a heavily customized CPU for Sony and Microsoft, I think that MS will go with IBM and PowerPc again. Without to mention that an IBM CPU would mean little backward compatibility issues.
lol
There's no reason AMD can't be working on custom CPUs based on Jaguar for the PS4 and 720. Based on rumors and what we know, there's a good chance this is happening.
X86 is not really an issue. And well, Cell was a very powerful CPU customized for gaming, and third party developers weren't particularly enamored with it.
No they wont. Its their only division that makes money.
Correction: no website has published actual numbers, or numbers they feel are correct, because believe it or not, there are sourcing requirements to this kind of thing. It's really fucking difficult to get people to go on the record, or to even go on background with ID confirmation. Also, personally speaking, there are other things I've heard directly from developers and PR that I can't repeat because it's NDA'd, and stoking GAF isn't worth me getting someone fired over.
That said, I'm pretty certain about some information that hasn't been linked to a source.
McHuj
Member
I do have a question. How can something like number of cores/clock/gpu be traced back to someone at this point?
At this point aren't there probably hundreds of people spread across many developers that know this stuff? I would imagine any company that has put out a AAA title for a current console has next-gen devkits/information at this point. I can't imagine game company X would be told some information for the CPU/GPU and game company Y would be told something different? I guess I'm really surprised more hasn't leaked.
shinobi602
Member
outunderthestars
Banned
Alot of it comes down to professionalism. In my previous career I was privy to a good deal of secret information, and we never discussed it out of a feeling of professional obligation.
JonathanPower
Member
Can AMD rival an IBM offering? I am not sure of that.
The problem is not just power, the problem is size and cost. A traditional X86 CPU is much more expensive and bigger than Cell or Xenos.
That's a hard question to answer without knowing the final chips both companies would be offering, no?
Wouldn't a Power 7 CPU be bigger and more expensive than a Jaguar based CPU though?
A Power 7 would be much, much larger.
I believe I remember reading that Jaguars are something like 3mm2
I know it's larger, both were meant to be rhetorical questions. =p
Sorry that didn't come through clear enough.
Eaten By A Grue
Member
I will be buying the shit out of warranty for whatever place I buy the next Xbox from.
Lol fair enough. Internet sarcasm and all. You're right.
JonathanPower
Member
I think a lot depends on what level of customization AMD would be willing to provide.
I don't think IBM would use a derivate of Power 7, they have many different designs they can use.
shinobi602
Member
...should we not expect a powerful console with more RAM than current systems?
iceatcs
Junior Member
...................no. Read again. (against to Sony "PS4")
shinobi602
Member
Exactly, which is why I don't think we should dismiss an AMD CPU against an IBM CPU.
True, but again that leads to the question about customization again. =)
I really don't think many are expecting either console to be more powerful than the other, or at least to the degree that's worth mentioning, and I really don't think anyone is expecting the next xbox to be cheaper.
Jokes and Riddles
Neo Member
My only expectation for it, is to work. You know, for longer than a year or two.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I'm sorry but I do think there are quite quite lot of them expecting next xbox to be best of all (Power, cheap and ready).
Even some think MS to dominating the nextgen market by far.
Not saying those expectation are way off. I'm just saying some of those expectation will give MS huge pressure or lead yourself more disappointment.
Even some think MS to dominating the nextgen market by far.
Not saying those expectation are way off. I'm just saying some of those expectation will give MS huge pressure or lead yourself more disappointment.
shinobi602
Member
No one expected the Wii to dominate sales this gen when it was first revealed. Who knows what can happen next gen. Microsoft can come out and surprise everyone.
1st Course
Member
Not really, Unlike Sony they won't have to deal with the whole Yen/USD issue.
Microsoft have advantage over Sony when it come to cost/price.
iceatcs
Junior Member
It won't be surprise because look like so many people include myself assume next xbox will dominate so well too.
It will be surprise or disappointment if it was other-way ---> Just like PS2 to PS3.
shinobi602
Member
These are my expectations:
-Watch Dogs and SW 1313 visuals as launch titles or launch "window"
-$350 for a "basic" SKU and $400 for a "premium" model
As long as those 2 things are there, I'm more than happy.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
Some attention to AR is long overdue imo. I thought it would be more realized with Kinect but it never really came to fruition like I thought it would
At the end of the day, you can't be more than $100 over your competition (this only applies to releasing a vastly superior machine), and you can't have the 67.8% (or whatever it was) reported fail rate that the 360 launched with. That's something you only get away with once.
I'll be sold on my next system within the details. I don't like gimmicky controls, digital distribution, or always-on DRM. I want to feel safe that my purchase won't break the first year I own it. I also realize DD is the future, but outside of Steam and iTunes I don't trust it...
I ditched MS, but that doesn't mean they can't win me back. It was just a comedy of errors when I had a 360 (made worse by how OCD I am with looking after my things). I do still prefer Sony's first party stuff, and I feel that MS had a better stable of exclusives with the original Xbox than they did with the 360.
I'll be sold on my next system within the details. I don't like gimmicky controls, digital distribution, or always-on DRM. I want to feel safe that my purchase won't break the first year I own it. I also realize DD is the future, but outside of Steam and iTunes I don't trust it...
I ditched MS, but that doesn't mean they can't win me back. It was just a comedy of errors when I had a 360 (made worse by how OCD I am with looking after my things). I do still prefer Sony's first party stuff, and I feel that MS had a better stable of exclusives with the original Xbox than they did with the 360.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
2 for os 6 for everything else?
1st is accurate.
2nd I'd say they would start at $400. But hey, if they can get it out cheaper than that... yay.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
That's an interesting thought, and quite true now that I think about it. And no, yen/usd conversion won't make much of a difference here. MS would have to eat a lot of per unit losses to make a scenario like this possible, and I'm not sure if they'd be willing to, given their most recent product pricing (Win 8 tablet).
What I'm expecting is that Sony will release a machine that will be weaker in terms of power, but cheaper, or not cheaper but will come with something bundled that will make the machine 'irresistable' in the same way that Wii was when it launched. I think there might be some truth to that rumor of them bundling the machine with the augmented VR visor w/ semi-transparent screen.
Never going to happen due to the cost. Expect both consoles to be offering something more like this for 3D and Augmented stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dnMsmajogA
FunkyMunkey
Banned
So you expect launch games to match PCs that have $350 graphics cards(JUST the card), with the entire console having a launch price of $350? What? There will be SW1313 and Watch Dogs at launch potentially, but they will not have the textures, AA, 1080p, or IQ of their PC counterparts. As others have said, it's thermally and cost-wise impossible. You'll have some magic being done a few years into the consoles life, but they will obey thermal dynamics and other principles of physics and cost.
I think you are one of the people in the other threads talking this nonsense lol, I thought I recognized your avatar. Regardless, this article is a load of bunk. Of course the next xbox will be powerful, it's been nearly 10 years since the xbox 360. But seeing a game(especially one developed primarily on pc) run on a gtx680(or two) at E3 and going "that's going to look sick on the next xbox!" is accurate. Saying "that's going to look exactly the same/better on the next xbox!" is inaccurate.
shinobi602
Member
It's not really fair to compare an open ended platform to hardware in a closed, controlled platform like the 720/PS4.
Sure, I'm not expecting them to match PCs inch for inch. But I'm definitely not expecting a significant difference like multiplat games right now.
Pretty sure hes not suggesting its going to match a PC set to ultra.