I don't remember a vomitorium of MAU MAU MAUs either, but you do you
Yep. MS is all about them now. It's like counting the whole ecosystems family of consoles/handhelds!
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MS: "gamers have spent more than 100M total hours playing Backward Compatible games"
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Yep. MS is all about them now. It's like counting the whole ecosystems family of consoles/handhelds!
Forget just taking 2 spots earlier today, RD took the first 3 now. Does it have a 4th form?
X-D
That 100m about to blow up.
Thats impressive to have the top 3 spots.
Saucycarpdog
Member
The goal posts in this thread are moving at lightspeed.
One could also claim those same games are available on Xbone with BC not hindering the sale of new titles... but what would I know. I clearly have an axe to grind where I want to make some poorly articulated comments about how publisher's would not be interested in the system holder pursuing BC which allows them to continue selling their titles.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
What?
Lovely to see some people in this thread show their true colors. DownplayGAF on full force, heh. Great to see feature being used, I really do enjoy it since I have so much backlog.
PdotMichael
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What do you know... I don't know.
Hockeymac18
Member
That math...1 million * 0.5 hours = 500,000 hours
LukasTaves
Member
As of now it's indeed too limited, but you can see why Ms is taking that approach instead of what they did to og Xbox on 360.
Tying the bc to digital (which means they have to get re approval for all released games), and deploying every game as a single entity instead of having an emulator that has to load 360 may limit availability, but once a title is in it's just another game on the "library of the forever" that they are building.
SmackAttack
Member
I've been using it to catch up on my backlog and GWG stuff. I still have my 360 hooked up, mostly to download GWG offerings. I'll gladly spend more time on BC when Burnout Paradise is added. ANY DAY NOW.
irrotational
Member
I thought the feature was cool when announced, but not that fussed for me personally...
But then I got to play south park for cheap...and I was reunited with geometry wars...and now I've started on dark souls.
BC has been surprisingly good for me!
GreaT feature and it's free.
But then I got to play south park for cheap...and I was reunited with geometry wars...and now I've started on dark souls.
BC has been surprisingly good for me!
GreaT feature and it's free.
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It was not mentioned at E3
Glorified G
Member
For me either it is full BC are don't bother. I still keep my 360 hooked up because none of the recent games I've played are compatible (PGR3, Forza Horizon, Grid Autosport). The perks of console gaming is the ease of use. Put the disc in the console, and you'll know it will work. I'm not keeping up with a list to see if a game I'm interested in works or not. It's the same issue with BC on the 360 when I eventually stopped bothering with it.
Hopefully next gen all three offers full BC.
Hopefully next gen all three offers full BC.
Megatron
Member
What does Sony have to do with anything? Does every ms thread have to be omg console warz?
Just a crazy opinion. So because you cant play 3 specific games, nobody shoukd be allowed to play rdr or one of the many games that are bc?
christ you're hard to please. How can you moan that not all games are on it YET. The service is free for goodness sake and who knows given time maybe the majority will be on it...
Hey give the guy a break. He's only off by 29.5m which if taken in the context of this thread really isn't much at all.
Exactly. I have both current gen consoles and love them both. BC is a great service that MS offers, who gives a fuck how many hours are played on each console? PS Now is a incredibly over priced pile of shit and Nintendo makes you repurchase all your VC games with each new console.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Are you advocating people spending more money to play old games? What a weird post.
Glorified G
Member
Moaning? What are you going on about? I was simply giving my opinion. BC to me has always been a luxury and not a requirement. With that said, if I'm interested in continuing playing my 360 library, either the BC works or it doesn't. If it isn't fully compatible I might as well keep my 360 hooked up (which I do) and I know for sure I can pick & choose any game from my library.
If you have a very passive interest in BC in general or only have a couple last gen titles you're interested in continuing playing, then partial BC is fine I guess. But I'm not bothering google searching what 360 games does & doesn't work on my XB1 and what updates have been made, that is the opposite of what console gaming is. If a 360 disc doesn't work in my XB1, then I'll treat my XB1 console for XB1 titles only and keep my 360 hooked up.
Buhahahah you math genius, guess you didn't major in math then. That's tag worthy material right there. I'll be showing this post to friends later haha.
oh yeah I'd much rather pay $50 to play a game I paid $60 for
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Chobel
Member
lol
So if pgr3, FH, or GA became backward compatible, you'd skip them out of principle, right?
Full BC is obviously ideal. But to say they shouldn't bother at all, when they are bringing more and more games to the table is just madness. I'm glad they "bothered" because I sold my 360 shortly before someone gifted me RDR, and now I'll get to play it. Not doing BC at all when they have the ability to would be dumb.
To be fair, if we want to make up meaningless statistics, take the number of hours played (100m) and divide by the number of titles available (~200) and we can see that each and every game has been played ~500K hours. Math is fun!
Actually, that's pretty dumb because there is no way every game was played the exact amount. IN fact, many games were probably played very little a few others were played a lot. The average here (or as above in your math) shows next to nothing.
It's been around 8 months, not 1 year, and breaking it down to minutes per month per user is a bigger waste of energy than just the useless hours/xbox one's sold calculations.
Yes, in much the same way as announcing 'HEY LOOK BIG NUMBER!' with zero context is meaningless.
As there aren't any actual user numbers, or anything drilled down from 'HEY LOOK BIG NUMBER' taking averages that demonstrate the vanishingly small number of per-user hours on a conservative user base estimate is just as valid.
Ok, that'll bounce it up by about 8 minutes per user per month.
Y'all are getting defensive when HEY BIG NUMBER gets called into question about what it actually means. These are MS PR stats and this is a discussion of them.
Then what purpose is there in trying to drill down on a useless number and finding more meaningless, contextless statistics?
StoppedInTracks
Member
Impressive and all but can someone link me a full list of those 209 BC titles? When I launch the store on Xbone I sure as hell am not seeing 209 titles there ?!?
Is it on wikipedia or something?
Is it on wikipedia or something?
Because Internet? Because someone felt it was worth making a discussion thread about said meaningless, context-free statistics and that would lead to a similar level of debate?
LukasTaves
Member
Just to give another comparison metric: It was at 15million in January, after the holiday release.
http://news.xbox.com/2016/01/04/greatest-games-extends-to-2016/
So it seems it's a feature people are still using, perhaps even more now than they were at release.
http://news.xbox.com/2016/01/04/greatest-games-extends-to-2016/
So it seems it's a feature people are still using, perhaps even more now than they were at release.
Well, as long as we are in agreement that this is all just a big waste of time then that's fine then.
I am not arguing that the number presented was anything more than an MS PR statement - period.
Taking that large number and averaging it across all users is bad technique as it ignores the simple fact that not everyone takes advantage of it. Further reducing that number by dividing it by the (wrong) number of months appears to be an obvious play to show how little time this "really" is.
I think your argument is better served by saying "This number is meaningless without context and I think it is a small number regardless", rather than relying on shady math to "prove" anything.
For sure. This would be a far better discussion had MS deigned to give us some real stats like actual player numbers or which titles were most popular.
Branniganz Love
Member
This thread has been really entertaining.
I have used BC on xbox one quite a bit, especially after Dark Souls was released. It adds great value to the console and makes me feel assured that MS respects my digital games library. This is the main reason why I buy all multiplats from MS, I have a pretty good idea on where they stand and where they are going with BC from here.
I have used BC on xbox one quite a bit, especially after Dark Souls was released. It adds great value to the console and makes me feel assured that MS respects my digital games library. This is the main reason why I buy all multiplats from MS, I have a pretty good idea on where they stand and where they are going with BC from here.
LukasTaves
Member
The number isn't entirely meaningless though. It was at 15 million after 2 months of availability, and at 100 million at E3 (6 months after that).
So even without any concrete data we can say that the average hours played/month is bigger now than it was at release which is great, specially if we consider that it was released during holiday and the amount of people that wanted to try the new feature was probably huge, and also add the fact that the 15 million number likely includes those who were in preview for a few months.
Taking the big number aside, Ms is outright telling us that the usage of the feature is increasing as the months are passing.
Pathfinder
Member
Just to provide some more insight on this, from my Amazon sales thread, they've sold completely out of their stock of the physical original and GOTY editions and are now relying on third party sellers to provide stock.
Additionally, if you want a physical copy of the GOTY edition you will have to wait until July 12. It's actually backordered.
Friday is going to be crazy.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=zg_bsms_nav_0
If that's the case as everyone keeps arguing how then does one come to the conclusion that this number is good.
Also everyone keeps saying you can't average the number over the install base but doesn't that then imply BC is even less popular.
Some people like to spend more to support who they love!
BC has always seemed like a win win. Publishers can continue to sell their old catalog and make money from it. People are more included to upgrade their system and licensing fees. While gamers can continue to play or buy their old titles.
Since we just got Steam Stats for example, GTA:SA sold an additional 120k copies, netting 440k. Titles like Half Life 2, Portal, Spore, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and several more. Are all games from 10 years ago, that each pulled in several hundred of thousands in revenue just from a single steam sale years after they came out.
I'm interested to see what Blops has done, when it jumped to over 100k concurrent users the weekend after. I know Gamestop raised it priced, Amazon was sold out, etc.
Can that be said?
All MS say with the big number is literally 'This number is bigger than the number from 6 months ago.'
Since using a metric like average hours per user per month is deemed 'meaningless' (cf: above replies to my post), there's nothing one wouldn't expect to see with the number of hours going up as the period the service is available extends.
LukasTaves
Member
In the first 2 months it accumulated 15 million hours. In the next 6 months it accumulated 85 millions more.
The monthly average more than doubled. So I think we can safely assume that it's increasingly picking up on interest?
If you take into account that:
- The 15 million probably include the hours played by testers months before public availablity;
- The feature launched in the holidays
I think the data would be more skwed towards the first 2 months if people were just testing it to see how cool it was and were done with it already.
I know I'm not a representative of the whole user base, but I already finished two games from my backlog from start to finish on BC, and 3 or 5 that I was already close to beating, but never got to on 360. (btw, cloud saves are awesome
), I find that since it's so easy to just hop in the game as it were a xbone game I just play them along the new releases I get.Caddyshack
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So analysing the statement in any real way means you're a salty fanboy?
What an insanely oppressive thread.
"Turned into"? The tone was set when the thread literally began with the following:
So it was doomed from the start thanks to OP's inability to keep his warrioring under control, as per.
What an insanely oppressive thread.
"Turned into"? The tone was set when the thread literally began with the following:
So it was doomed from the start thanks to OP's inability to keep his warrioring under control, as per.