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[The Dear Leader]

If 1m users tried BC for 30 minutes that is already 30m hours.

Johnny has 30 half-apples, Johnny also has 1 million class mates who love whole apples. How many half-apples would Johnny's mommy need to buy to if the class is going to win The Big Apple eat off at school, which total is 30 million whole apples?

 

[SOR5]

How much does it cost MS to implement BC on a title?

Honest question, I have no idea

It costs a phone call, some software engineering for the emulator and QA.

I have no idea either for the most part

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

How much does it cost MS to implement BC on a title?

Honest question, I have no idea

no idea, depends on how much work goes into each one. We know its not effortless, but we don't quite know what it takes.

 

[c0de]

That is not the point... it small any way you look.

If 1m users tried BC for 30 minutes that is already 30m hours.

What that even means is out of my mind but that your way to always contribute lol

This is pure gold. It's almost as if you are quoting yourself.

 

[cakely]

Well ...

I'm pretty proud: I didn't have to say anything negative about Microsoft and I still made it on to your adorable little picture collection.

 

[gamz]

I'm pretty proud: I didn't have to say anything negative about Microsoft and I still made it on to your adorable little picture collection.

Stop the trolling man. it's awful.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

I'm pretty proud: I didn't have to say anything negative about Microsoft and I still made it on to your adorable little picture collection.

You've taken up the mantra of Biker19 and Percy admirably, Cakely. Soldier on, friend.

Spoiler

Your reactionary "LOL persecution" spiel that you constantly post in these kinds of threads is transparent.

 

[icespide]

 

[Nocturno999]

Is Sony trying to respond to this? "They don't need to" is not an answer.

Is sad that people can play their RDR disc in their XBO while PS4 owners have to buy the Warriors, from the same Publisher.

 

[jroc74]

because the changeover to x86 was just an absolute requirement this gen, and emulating PS3 architecture just isnt possible. Even microsoft is struggling to emulate the 360 and having to write specific code for each game that runs on the xbox one

Yea I keep forgetting about that. Especially since it makes MS look like magicians.

It really makes you wonder if the roles were reversed sales wise would MS be this into B/C.

 

[Purest 78]

Read the thread mate. It's the fourth time this argument was made, and even thought it's technically correct, it doesn't take into account how many/few people actually use BC.

No need to read the thread numbers don't lie. With the X1 install base it averages to 5 hours per user. I'm sorry if you wanna make that impressive it simply isn't. It actually shows majority don't care much about BC.

 

[flkraven]

no idea, depends on how much work goes into each one. We know its not effortless, but we don't quite know what it takes.

But you said it cost 'a lot of time and effort'. A lot implies you have an idea of the figures? In actuality, you have no idea and are making complete guesses. After this you conclude that the cost and time of bc is:

Time that is possibly better spent elsewhere.

And then people wonder why some posters come off as being agenda driven with their baseless, drive by 'facts'. Where the heck does this come from anyways? Oh yeah:

because part of my job is data analytics.

 

[The God]

Is Sony trying to respond to this? "They don't need to" is not an answer.

Is sad that people can play their RDR disc in their XBO while PS4 owners have to buy the Warriors, from the same Publisher.

What do you think they should do?

 

[cakely]

Stop the trolling man. it's awful.

You've taken up the mantra of Biker19 and Percy admirably, Cakely. Soldier on, friend.

Spoiler

Your reactionary "LOL persecution" spiel that you constantly post in these kinds of threads is transparent.

And now I'm being called a troll and a console warrior. That's unjustified.

Please, take a look at what I've actually posted in this thread.

 

[Falchion]

I'm one of them. I never thought I'd use it but I've completed quite a few BC games on the One just because it's so convenient.

 

[Caayn]

Is Sony trying to respond to this? "They don't need to" is not an answer.

Is sad that people can play their RDR disc in their XBO while PS4 owners have to buy the Warriors, from the same Publisher.

It is. But people will defend it for reasons such as added trophy support. If Sony wanted they should be able to create a PS1/2 emulator for the PS4 and make it available for everyone for free.

 

[TBiddy]

No need to read the thread numbers don't lie. With the X1 install base it averages to 5 hours per user. I'm sorry if you wanna make that impressive it simply isn't. It actually shows majority don't care much about BC.

You should read the thread, though, instead of posting the same bad argument, that was already shot down several times earlier.

And now I'm being called a troll and a console warrior. That's unjustified.

Please, take a look at what I've actually posted in this thread.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=209283324&highlight=#post209283324 - might not be trolling or "warrioring", but it's not exactly sympathetic.

 

[SOR5]

No need to read the thread numbers don't lie. With the X1 install base it averages to 5 hours per user. I'm sorry if you wanna make that impressive it simply isn't. It actually shows majority don't care much about BC.

It couldve been one man completely ass naked in a shed playing Hexic HD for 100 million hours straight,

You dont have any insight into user habits, you dont have any insights to the install base, the 5 hour average figure that keeps popping up is not only fruitless, but even if it was somehow the average amount, why does that magically detract the appeal of the feature from everyone as a whole?

 

[martino]

That's not true.

72% of the games currently on the BC catalogue are Arcade, I'm willing to bet most of them can be completed in under 5 hours.

what is not true is to twist/dilute the number to go this conclusion.
this helps us more to know the poster position toward bc/&ms than the community using bc (we lack a key number to do any conclusion).

 

[Maximilian E.]

Wait, is it bad that people are playing/using bc? How can this ever be a bad thing?

 

[BasicMath]

That just means we don't have enough Remasters, MS. That's all it means.

Wait, is it bad that people are playing/using bc? How can this ever be a bad thing?

Nobody's making money from it.

 

[Scrawnton]

Wait, is it bad that people are playing/using bc? How can this ever be a bad thing?

Apparently 100 million hours isn't an impressive number and people are using it as evicende that no one uses BC.

 

[flkraven]

So I'm guess short ass games that get like 10 million units sold get this divided opinion on GAF too? Like, the hours played per console owner must be small as hell.

 

[Unity2012]

I'm one of them. I never thought I'd use it but I've completed quite a few BC games on the One just because it's so convenient.

Me too. I like playing my favorite X360 games in the X1. Now give us some Mass Effect 2 and everyone will be happy.

 

[King Gilga]

That's awesome, hope they fill out the library more, only 2 of the games I need to play are on it.

 

[gamz]

And now I'm being called a troll and a console warrior. That's unjustified.

Please, take a look at what I've actually posted in this thread.

No.

Let me guess, is your job defending multi-billion dollar international companies from perceived slights on the internet?

Come on.

 

[Purest 78]

It couldve been one man completely ass naked in a shed playing Hexic HD for 100 million hours straight,

You dont have any insight into user habits, you dont have any insights to the install base, the 5 hour average figure that keeps popping up is not only fruitless, but even if it was somehow the average amount, why does that magically detract the appeal of the feature from everyone as a whole?

As I said numbers don't lie We know x1 is over 20 million by now. With this 100 million number we can deduce an average. My argument is based on the numbers we have at hand no spin what so ever.

 

[SOR5]

As I said numbers don't lie We know x1 is over 20 million by now. With this 100 million number we can deduce an average. My argument is based on the numbers we have at hand no spin what so ever.

read the thread.

 

[Rembrandt]

No.

Let me guess, is your job defending multi-billion dollar international companies from perceived slights on the internet?

My job is in data analytics. Thanks for asking.

 

[flkraven]

And now I'm being called a troll and a console warrior. That's unjustified.

Please, take a look at what I've actually posted in this thread.

Dude, come on. This is fucking trolling and you know it. Especially since the 4 pages before you already discussed the 5 hour reasoning to death:

So, from this PR announcement, we know now that on average an Xbox One owner has used Backwards Compatibility for about five hours during the last eight months.

We also know that since Microsoft actually made an announcement about that usage, they're clearly happy with it's adoption rate.

FYI, pointing out these facts doesn't make me "salty", "desparate", a "hater", or a "downplayer", so for all the posters here enthusiastically showing off their persecution complex, this is not the post you're looking for.

No.

Let me guess, is your job defending multi-billion dollar international companies from perceived slights on the internet?

You aren't being clever. These trolls weren't very well hidden.

 

[gamz]

As I said numbers don't lie We know x1 is over 20 million by now. With this 100 million number we can deduce an average. My argument is based on the numbers we have at hand no spin what so ever.

And we also know this is a small sample size. It's only been around for 8 months and if more games like Red drop it'll probably grow larger.

It's a great start and people who use it love it. That's all that counts.

 

[TBiddy]

As I said numbers don't lie We know x1 is over 20 million by now. With this 100 million number we can deduce an average. My argument is based on the numbers we have at hand no spin what so ever.

So when Halo 5 reached 1 million copies, an average of 0.05 copies was in the hands of the consumers. Purely based on the numbers and no spin what so ever.

 

[Purest 78]

read the thread.

Will that change simple math?

 

[SOR5]

Will that change simple math?

The thread shows why the math is too simple, read the thread.

 

[Rembrandt]

Will that change simple math?

If I spend more than 5 hours playing by myself then how does that affect your simple math?

 

[Purest 78]

And we also know this is a small sample size. It's only been around for 8 months and if more games like Red drop it'll probably grow larger.

It's a great start and people who use it love it. That's all that counts.

If people love it that's great I won't pretend this number is huge or even good.

 

[crinale]

What do you think they should do?

I doubt if third parties want Sony to keep BC forever (which Sony obviously didn't).

 

[w0s]

I've never used backwards compatibility so whoever is running numbers needs to subtract one.

 

[charsace]

If you think having BC is a bad thing then either something is wrong with you or you're a kid.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I know I've spent 20+ hours this past week playing Fable 2 and Black Ops 1...

So you've contributed 20 million hours all by yourself!

Is Sony trying to respond to this? "They don't need to" is not an answer.

Is sad that people can play their RDR disc in their XBO while PS4 owners have to buy the Warriors, from the same Publisher.

I doubt they are, and in the wider picture they really don't need to. A minority of people would really appreciate it (like me), but it probably would not increase the PS4's sales to a measurable degree.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

100m hours isn't really all that much, but backward compatibility is always a good thing, so props to MS.

 

[oneida]

 

[Mr E.]

This is fantastic news.

 

[martino]

Will that change simple math?

maybe you'll see why thinking simple math work here show more you are lacking comprehension (and numbers).

 

[Purest 78]

If I spend more than 5 hours playing by myself then how does that affect your simple math?

Because it's obvious Every x1 owner hasn't touched BC. No one has the exact numbers of who did or didn't. Only thing we have that's concrete is install base VS the 100 million number.

 

[Complicated]

I think the people trying to downplay backwards compatibility as if it's a bad thing are truly on their own. Haven't seen that sentiment anywhere else even on the internet. 360 was an amazing console and it's super awesome that Microsoft is following through with this initiative so well.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Will that change simple math?

Your calculations are flawed and disingenuous because not every Xbone owner has played BC.

 

[Sectorseven]

Is Sony trying to respond to this? "They don't need to" is not an answer.

Is sad that people can play their RDR disc in their XBO while PS4 owners have to buy the Warriors, from the same Publisher.

They could have some implementation of PSNow where you insert your PS3 disc and the cloud recognizes it and streams the game, or they could put a cell chip or SoC or whatever in the Neo and PS4 slim.

 

[Somnia]

Ahhh another thread going into the shitter due to positive news.

In other news, RDR is going to pull in a lot of hours played! I've been wanting to replay that game for quite awhile, but no longer own a 360 or ps3.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

How much does it cost MS to implement BC on a title?

Honest question, I have no idea

Don't eorry, neither does he.