I never understood the hype people got caught up in for a goddamn indie title. This never was going to deliver the revolution people were imagining, solely based on common sense. The backlash was predestined.
I've had fun with the game, but this video was hilarious. It does make me a little sad that I paid full price for it, though.
What's that Improv clip from?
That gt live guy had me off the walls. I'd like to see more his rants.
The first two Fable games piss on this from a tremendous height. How far in are you?
What the hell does this have to do with lying about game features? They should have presented the game and the functionality it had vs feeding people bullshit to gain hose extra sales. I mean yeah, BS worked but then don't bring up the "small team" defense.They may be right but it's a small team of only 15 people, they don't have the resources of AAA productions. What they accomplished is already impressive enough.
Just imagine you paid $60 for the front row seats to experience everything that is happening outside the game itself.
Now you got your moneys worth :3
I agree with you, "questionable" was a generous take on my part. But I'm speaking more to the core gameplay loop. I went in expecting a resource gathering game and that's what I got, it's just not as good of one as I was expecting. That's not at all to excuse the lack of delivering on other promised features, don't get me wrong.
I completely agree with the parts where you mention Murray was easy to market, but I still think he was shown to the press before he really had all of the answers to the hard questions. Namely the multiplayer issue, and just what it is you do in the game, aside from reaching the center of the galaxy. He knows how to evade certain questions, but I think he needs more media training in order to know how to dodge questions in a way that won't hurt him or his game.
Except Indie games are usually far more revolutionary and innovative than any other type of game.
What the hell does this have to do with lying about game features? They should have presented the game and the functionality it had vs feeding people bullshit to gain hose extra sales. I mean yeah, BS worked but then don't bring up the "small team" defense.
Again, this is a fully priced retail/digital game for $60 and not Steam EA for $20.
Haha lmao.Christ! lol
After watching that I got this come up in my recommended feed https://youtu.be/3Mz5YPkThOU
Didn't people continue to buy Lionhead games while Molineux was there?
What's that Improv clip from?
The game is everything i expected to be and i like it.
Sean Murray is now the victim of people with silly expectations.
I feel bad for him.
The quote about gathering resources referred to mining, which you can avoid by getting all the stuff you need through trading. You can get additional stuff to trade through combat or salvaging crashed ships. Even just flying around discovering stuff should provide enough income to buy all the fuel you need.Don't you need resources for your life support systems i.e. just to walk around? I don't own the game btw, that's what I've seen in some streams.
There's no doubt that Sean Murray promised and underdelivered a lot in this game, he is certainly on record stating a lot of things that just aren't true. The big difference between myself and most people in this thread, however, is I sincerely doubt the guy lied, I sincerely doubt that he was out to steal our money, I lean more towards giving him the benefit of doubt and believe he's just a guy with big dreams who tried really hard and, quite frankly, delivered something we haven't really seen before.
That does not forgive him for his mistakes or his over-promising, I am a fan of the game and plan on continue playing it, but I will still hold him accountable for fixing the glaring issues the game has and hopefully putting in some of the content he promised before, but the idea that he straight up maliciously tried to con everyone into buying this game is incredibly tired bullshit.
This game has developed a pretty passionate hate group, though, and I really don't feel like doing the "defend the developers" wank on here, so you all can have your little circle jerk.
I called all of this happening a long time ago while the majority fell into the hype. Too much reliance on procedural generation is a big red flag, and it shows.
What a very reasonable and agreeable post.Still having a blast 25 hours (or so) in and havent done any of the "story" stuff...
But I'm wrong. No, Ill admit it, Im happy Im able to enjoy this game but Im kind of wrong for doing so. I dont think its a bad game, just did not live up to promises and expectations, and in many ways the devs mislead the audience to believe that features were there that aren't, and Sean hasn't responded to the public apologizing or clarifying, which is what perturbs me the most.
I wont apologize for liking the game, but I have to say people are right to be pissed. Its pretty clear they did lie (deceive). Even if everything they had promised had been in the game, it still would have been lacking.
Its such a shame because Sean was I guy I wanted to cheer for, and Hello Games I wanted to succeed. But, not like this. This is success at the expense of true artistic pursuit. I dont know whether or not this is wholly political, or a cash grab, or they were just burnt out developing the game, but its pretty clear that it needed more time and absolutely needed to implement everything they talked about.
As it stands, Im probably going to put a few more hours in, get to the center, and get a badass ship and call it quits. I think thats pretty good for a game so im pretty satisfied.
Price it accordingly then. I don't really care how many people made the game. I care about whether it's any good. Team size is irrelevant.
What the hell does this have to do with lying about game features? They should have presented the game and the functionality it had vs feeding people bullshit to gain hose extra sales. I mean yeah, BS worked but then don't bring up the "small team" defense.
Again, this is a fully priced retail/digital game for $60 and not Steam EA for $20.
The game is everything i expected to be and i like it.
Sean Murray is now the victim of people with silly expectations.
I feel bad for him.
I thought it was pretty obvious sarcasm.
Can't be a victim when you're fueling it.
They may be right but it's a small team of only 15 people, they don't have the resources of AAA productions. What they accomplished is already impressive enough.
Still having a blast 25 hours (or so) in and havent done any of the "story" stuff...
But I'm wrong. No, Ill admit it, Im happy Im able to enjoy this game but Im kind of wrong for doing so. I dont think its a bad game, just did not live up to promises and expectations, and in many ways the devs mislead the audience to believe that features were there that aren't, and Sean hasn't responded to the public apologizing or clarifying, which is what perturbs me the most.
I wont apologize for liking the game, but I have to say people are right to be pissed. Its pretty clear they did lie (deceive). Even if everything they had promised had been in the game, it still would have been lacking.
Its such a shame because Sean was I guy I wanted to cheer for, and Hello Games I wanted to succeed. But, not like this. This is success at the expense of true artistic pursuit. I dont know whether or not this is wholly political, or a cash grab, or they were just burnt out developing the game, but its pretty clear that it needed more time and absolutely needed to implement everything they talked about.
As it stands, Im probably going to put a few more hours in, get to the center, and get a badass ship and call it quits. I think thats pretty good for a game so im pretty satisfied.
Spoole was right
I remember watching Jones' rant at last year's E3 and after seeing this one too, I really should see more of angry Jones.
There's no doubt that Sean Murray promised and underdelivered a lot in this game, he is certainly on record stating a lot of things that just aren't true. The big difference between myself and most people in this thread, however, is I sincerely doubt the guy lied, I sincerely doubt that he was out to steal our money, I lean more towards giving him the benefit of doubt and believe he's just a guy with big dreams who tried really hard and, quite frankly, delivered something we haven't really seen before.
That does not forgive him for his mistakes or his over-promising, I am a fan of the game and plan on continue playing it, but I will still hold him accountable for fixing the glaring issues the game has and hopefully putting in some of the content he promised before, but the idea that he straight up maliciously tried to con everyone into buying this game is incredibly tired bullshit.
This game has developed a pretty passionate hate group, though, and I really don't feel like doing the "defend the developers" wank on here, so you all can have your little circle jerk.
Christ! lol
After watching that I got this come up in my recommended feed https://youtu.be/3Mz5YPkThOU
So "What do you do?" was the right question from the start.
The defenders of this game have been pathetic.
Except Indie games are usually far more revolutionary and innovative than any other type of game.