Sony would know better than most of us as they are in the 4k content business. Doing research online i found that youtube, sony, and netflix are the 3 largest 4k content producers currently. The top 2 are streaming sites, most of netflix shows and original movies are shot with 4k, YouTube has the most 4k content. I dont know if the decisions to not add a 4k player was the right thing to do... but they seem to have done their homework
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Sony would know better than most of us as they are in the 4k content business. Doing research online i found that youtube, sony, and netflix are the 3 largest 4k content producers currently. The top 2 are streaming sites, most of netflix shows and original movies are shot with 4k, YouTube has the most 4k content. I dont know if the decisions to not add a 4k player was the right thing to do... but they seem to have done their homework
El-Pistolero
Member
You should drop the detective act and the warrior's attitude, just saying...
Hawk269
Member
Yeah, there is just more added value to the Xbox One S versus the PS4. Even Targets leaked BF Early ad has both the PS4 and Xbox One S at $249.99 but the "S" gets you a $40.00 Gift Card as well. Then there is the current promotion that you get an "Extra" $59.99 or under game in addition to whats in the box.
I also think in a small way the marketing of the redesign and the media capabilities and UHD playback has a bit more added value. When you think of all that you get it is a compelling product, heck having the IR blaster is a godsend it it's self. lol
VincentMatts
Member
Deserved. Love my S.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
As long as they don't Xbox One launch style fuck up again, they're basically set in their trinity of US/UK/AU. I suspect that Mexico and Brazil WANT to be Sony territories but Sony are pricing them out of doing it.
RedAssedApe
Banned
too bad we couldn't predict the us election like this
DriftingSpirit
Member
I don't think it needs to be in relation to the PS4. It should be about what the X1 has been able to do in the context of what has occurred with the X1 up to this point.
They didn't. The PS4 still has a 1M+ lead in US. The X1 just hit all the right notes at the right time and it is benefiting from the momentum.
Nah, he is right. Exclusives support the third party. Marketing deals and price are far, far more important.
But is it really, that far-fetched when most 4k content is on streaming sites.... fyi i dont get my info from sony but articles read on various tech sites, (i wont name them, because some maybe not allowed)... even before the xb1s that stance was consistent
There is no act and more importantly no warrior BS , specially from me. It was a genuine question, very much like yours. Now, did you or did you not?
VincentMatts
Member
They might be streaming 4K content but this 4K player is going to sell consoles that they wouldn't of sold otherwise. I'm proof of that. I sold my regular Xbox one to get this one and I don't regret it. I wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for the 4K player
Well then your research was mistaken.
http://4k.com/news/amazons-selectio...ay-movies-already-surpasses-100-titles-17190/
You can buy over 100+ UHD bluray titles from Amazon right now. Netflix has ghostbusters 1 and 2 in 4k, like 3 original movies, 2 of which are Adam Sandler ones, a few comedy specials and their own programming at 4K and that is it. YouTube is nothing more than demos or user uploaded stuff. Sony 4k streaming also junk. I bought a Sony X800D HDR tv. Nothing comes close to the quality and selection of UHD bluray and HDR right now. This was a big screwup by Sony. And they know it. Which is why they emphasize UHD bluray for their televisions and their technologies but never mention it with regards to Playstation Pro or the brand because they didn't include it. You can buy a Sony console, a Sony television and buy a Sony develop movie on a Sony developed format, but need a Microsoft console to play that movie.
sixteen-bit
Member
Congrats on the turnaround. Well deserved.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Good on Microsoft.
Can't wait to see how things will go this month, with PS4 Pro, Slim and PSVR all on the market. Honestly, I'm not a fan of what Sony is doing at the moment. PS4 Pro doesn't look like a good excuse for an upgrade, the Slim is ugly as sin and PSVR doesn't have a great line up to convince me yet.
The XBO S on the other hand looks great and has 4K BD playback which is something inexcusable that Sony doesn't offer in any of the PS4s.
Can't wait to see how things will go this month, with PS4 Pro, Slim and PSVR all on the market. Honestly, I'm not a fan of what Sony is doing at the moment. PS4 Pro doesn't look like a good excuse for an upgrade, the Slim is ugly as sin and PSVR doesn't have a great line up to convince me yet.
The XBO S on the other hand looks great and has 4K BD playback which is something inexcusable that Sony doesn't offer in any of the PS4s.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Would Sony announcing a 12 TFLOPS PS5 for Holidays 2019 make you call Scorpio a mild refresh
? C'mon now... PS4 Pro is well over 2x faster than PS4 (in pure specs and more considering other tweaks they have added) and out now... of course a console that is about one whole year out may be even more advanced, but that does not mean much.On one hand, physical media is still withering away, and it seems likely the vast majority of people are just going to use 4K streaming in the future.
On the other hand, you want to move consoles, and given how they've historically used the PlayStation as a trojan for getting people to the new format, it seems like they might have hurt themselves significantly in the short term with the people who actually care about that stuff.
Long term I don't think it'll matter too much, but it's definitely a nice perk as a X1 owner.
IdreamofHIME
Member
statham
Member
Would Sony announcing a 12 TFLOPS PS5 for Holidays 2019 make you call Scorpio a mild refresh
No, PS4 Bro, is mild, its using tricks and upscale to hit 4k, Scorpio and 2019 PS5 won't be using these tricks.
valkillmore
Member
I really want an Xbox one s my buddy trying to coax me into getting one for halo
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Buttttt Amazon!!!
ViolentP
Member
Would Sony announcing a 12 TFLOPS PS5 for Holidays 2019 make you call Scorpio a mild refresh
I understand both sides of this argument. If fidelity is of high importance, the increase the Pro potentially offers is certainly a draw. If it isn't your primary concern, however, I can see how the upgrades the Pro offers are less than stellar.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is because I can and use both, but I would not go over a Blu-Ray if I wanted to watch a great movie with spectacular picture quality and I do not want to hog the house bandwidth with the still not comparably well compressed and lower bitrate 4K Netflix stream.
Not to talk about the very real reality of bandwidth caps and average sustained bandwidth for many people. Sometimes some tech journalists live in a dream world with 1 Gbps affordable unlimited fiber house and may feel like this future is available to everyone.
killertofu
Member
I want an S purely for aesthetic. But I barely play my PS4 as it is
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
What does it need to offer more than their 4K and 1080p upgrades to games? Well, aside from the lack of an UHD player which is a really bad choice IMHO.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
I really hope so. We need more intense competition!
ViolentP
Member
Performance. Framerate, load times, installation times, etc...
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Guess the next 2 months will be interesting, we will see if having the most powerful console on the market will swing things back in Sony's direction, as some people would have been holding off buying a PS4 because of the Pro.
statham
Member
Halo 5 and MCC are both worth the investment
Electret
Member
Some Scorpio games will absolutely use 'tricks' - i.e., upscale. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think every game will be rendered in native 4K.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Might give The lure of Gears 4 MP is too strong to ignore.
ViolentP
Member
In fairness, it is possible the Scorpio will produce native 4K. Just not at a price console gamers are used to paying.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is also doing native 4K games in addition to checkerboard rendering based ones and for the kind of so called "uncompromised" 4K quality you can have troubles on today's PC 8 TFLOPS GPU's... It is not a bad mid generation upgrade from either the timing or performance price points of view. We keep putting it down by comparing it to a video talking about a console releasing in a year with 6 TFLOPS being the only concrete released info about it.
You can and should be excited by Xbox Scorpio if this is how you feel, but putting PS4 Pro down is not really the answer.
Electret
Member
It will render some games in native 4K. I'm not saying it won't. What I'm saying is that 'tricks' - to borrow a Stathamism - will be a part of other Scorpio games, as some devs will inevitably choose to crank up eye candy at the expense of native 4K rendering.
ViolentP
Member
Considering it is only a year away, I would say that is very likely.
Indeed.
Neither the Xbone or PS4 render every game in 1080 still. Scorpio will undoubtedly run more games in native 4k that Pro, but it sure as shit won't be all. I'm not even sure it will be "most"
They don't count as sales on NPD until they actually launch the console. Don't worry, Nov results will be much more in line with Amazon's chart
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
SATA3 support for reduced installation and load times (sure, you may have to add an SSD to it to get the full benefit), PS4 Pro patched games do have performance improvements in terms of framerate or higher IQ and better effects. For 1080p users having SSAA for many games essentially for free is really really great... improvements in image quality is so underrated when writing about it, but it makes a big difference when playing.
statham
Member
I understand that, BF engine fore sure won't be 4k, but it will be far fewer games.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
So at this point do we drop Amaxon as an accurate guide for sales?
I mean it was used a lot after Xbox led September and it was obviously innacurate.
I mean it was used a lot after Xbox led September and it was obviously innacurate.
professor_t
Member
Haha. I was just thinking about how many GAF analysts announced that the One S was sent to die in the wake of the Scorpio announcement.
I guess the rumors of its demise were premature?
How well are those 4k bluray disk selling compared to streaming though? Do we have direct access to those numbers? And with everything you said wouldn't sony, a 4k content maker, a 4k tv and bluray manufacturer, would have emphasized putting it in their device? We cant say they made a bad decision with 4k, with the number of variables are missing like: what is 4k tv adoption rate? How are 4k blurays selling compared to streaming among those who have gotten a 4k tv? Im not saying its a mistake but maybe their internal research says something completely different from what you and i see... the same could be said about any company honestly like apple thinking people didnt need a headphone jack
VincentMatts
Member
I was one of those people and I ended up getting one. Once u see it in 4K you just can't go back. It's a lot more impactful than I thought it would be
ViolentP
Member
It's already been proven that other bottlenecks prevent full usage of SSD which only furthers my point that the fidelity/performance argument is currently favoring one side.
And the GPU offers a performance increase, yes. But it is primarily a visual increase. The CPU is still taking a back seat which frankly, were it updated properly, would benefit almost every other aspect of the platform.
I'm not disappointed as upgrading both ends would increase the price substantially enough to warrant the title of next-gen, but it is not difficult to see that the Pro is catering to the eyes before anything else.