pretty sure most people who are excited for VR have mind blowing graphics and interaction in mind.
This is the kind of stuff people expect from VR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCftdpZ9lIs
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Oculus CEO: The headset and computer to run it will cost you ~$1,500
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pretty sure most people who are excited for VR have mind blowing graphics and interaction in mind.
This is the kind of stuff people expect from VR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCftdpZ9lIs
I believe the camera will be bundled with Morpheus and the move controller's can be bought for $10 used if you want but don't forget the the Dualshock 4 is a controller for VR also, Also their still using the old move controllers from the PS3 so maybe they will come out with the PS4 version
I must've missed this... Wonderful news.
If Oculus can successfully price itself between Morpheus & Vive, we should be in a great position with headsets at varying price points offering different levels of experience (one would imagine).
It's all looking so wonderful.
These are australian prices, lmao. No wonder the price discrepancy.I guess the Rift will be free cause to build a half decent rig that will power the Oculus is going to be around $1500.....
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Oh already pointed out. Still should change it to equivalent parts on pcpartspicker or something.
EmptySpace
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lol at people trying to downplay morpheus and telling other people how inferior/bad the experience will be.
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
Having to go >60 over 30 fps is a crazy big tradeoff for the graphics side of things. Consider also the fact thet they'll have to be crazy conservative with keeping the framerate stable as any stutter or frame drops will be much more noticeable. All that on a rig that's more or less an equivalent of an i3/750 setup. To this you might say the feel of presence will be more important than the graphical fidelity, which is true to some extent. Whether what Morpheus will offer fits your or others expectations however, you can now only extrapolate from the facts given. What I'm thinking is Sony is gonna have to really invest into their Graphical Artists department, or we're in for a lot of pain and mental gymnastics.
Well not me. Certainly doesn't hurt, but it won't bring me outta the experience. Having done VR minecraft, even with shit graphics you still felt like you were there. That alongside with a game that's engaging that's all that's needed IMO.
All these other people need to tone their expectations down.
It's more than graphics though. Powerful hardware will be required to run the simulation well, you're talking two perspectives, lots of pixels, lots of frames, and there are some tricks we can get away with on 2D panels, that don't look right in 3D, and variant methodologiese become more costly in performance.
PC's will have a huge advantage in BOTH GPU muscle and CPU muscle, thanks to new API's coming out.
I forsee most VR games on Oculus being DX12 or OpenGL next.
Morpheus is cheap VR, of course it will be much worse than this.
To be fair, Occulus and Samsung have been DRAMATICALLY more public facing with their VR efforts than Sony has. Most people don't know what to expect with the Morpheus, and the PS4's power efforts with AAA titles hasn't exactly been sterling thus far (which is no fault of Sony's, but still, that paints the situation).
You know very well that the 'current state' of things on PC is a development state, with development headsets and a development SDK. Oculus are working full steam on ease of use, which is why they've temporarily halted OSX and Linux support in order to put 100% focus on Windows.
Dude, you know better than all this and it's absolutely shameful to see you spreading fud at this level.
Fried Food
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Nothing shocking there really. My comp cost around a grand when I built it and it wasn't even very top of the line. (760 and i5 4670k)
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Deleted member 17706
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Fair enough that you feel that way, but I think VR definitely has the potential to be seen as a necessity along the lines of a personal computer or television.
Obviously, the content needs to be there, but it offers an incredible experience unlike anything we've had available, so I think it will be a game-changer in a few years time and people will be willing to dish out some serious cash to have a proper setup.
I've never understood the line of thought that it's doomed to failure unless it's priced like a commodity that has already been through many years of a race to the bottom right out of the gate.
Not necessarily. Samsung is making convincing VR rigs that work with cellphones right now.
Don't understand some of the previous responses when it comes to the Oculus Dev Kits "Needs better Resolution" "Games need to be more impressive!" All these things require a beefier Rig. And I'm surprised some people are suddenly wondering why your going to need to spend So much.
VR wasn't suddenly going to explode and capture the mass market in the next year, if VR takes off it will be 5-10 years. VR isn't ready for the mass market, the resolution isn't high enough, heacktracking is no where near perfect, getting rid of the "fisheye" view, VR headsets are too big, hell most probably want a wireless VR experience but the tech isn't there.
Seems like most people are backseat businessmen, or the positive buzz and hype has got some people "annoyed" that VR isn't mass market already at a cheap price they can afford, you don't go cheap on VR and fuck the experience for everyone.
I'm sure Morpheus will be decent, if Sony decides to put a developer or two to make software I'm sure they will be able to bleed blood from a stone, console developers are wizards like that, making games out of obsolete hardware. The experience won't be mind blowing, definitely better then any VR experience we have had before because the last VR anyone experienced was what like..20-30 years ago? But it's definitely not "Mass Market" Yet.
This is the FIRST (to my knowledge) Consumer VR, doesn't suprise me it's not perfect and requires some serious power. Wasn't a Blu-Ray player when it first came out something like $1200?
VR wasn't suddenly going to explode and capture the mass market in the next year, if VR takes off it will be 5-10 years. VR isn't ready for the mass market, the resolution isn't high enough, heacktracking is no where near perfect, getting rid of the "fisheye" view, VR headsets are too big, hell most probably want a wireless VR experience but the tech isn't there.
Seems like most people are backseat businessmen, or the positive buzz and hype has got some people "annoyed" that VR isn't mass market already at a cheap price they can afford, you don't go cheap on VR and fuck the experience for everyone.
I'm sure Morpheus will be decent, if Sony decides to put a developer or two to make software I'm sure they will be able to bleed blood from a stone, console developers are wizards like that, making games out of obsolete hardware. The experience won't be mind blowing, definitely better then any VR experience we have had before because the last VR anyone experienced was what like..20-30 years ago? But it's definitely not "Mass Market" Yet.
This is the FIRST (to my knowledge) Consumer VR, doesn't suprise me it's not perfect and requires some serious power. Wasn't a Blu-Ray player when it first came out something like $1200?
codswallop
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Well, the other day Oculus put out some recommended specs for a PC:
$500 for Oculus seems about right considering the higher resolution (2160x1200 vs 1920x1080).
- NVIDIA GTX 970 / AMD 290 equivalent or greater
- Intel i5-4590 equivalent or greater
- 8GB+ RAM
- Compatible HDMI 1.3 video output
- 2x USB 3.0 ports
- Windows 7 SP1 or newer
$500 for Oculus seems about right considering the higher resolution (2160x1200 vs 1920x1080).
You'll need to play all the games at 2160x1200 since that's the native resolution, and Oculus recommends a minimum of 90fps, so your machine needs to run games at that too. Whether you turn settings up or down to meet that is up to you.
NullPointer
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Not everybody has been following this stuff closely. This is news for me anyway.
TemplaerDude
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I dunno, I'm really confused as well, did everyone think the Oculus was going to be some self sufficient device for <500 bucks? Like, you just buy the headset and whazamo you're in the world of amazing VR just like that?
GuitarAtomik
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I think a lot of people are misreading the Rift's RECOMMENDED (not minimum) specs too. The suggestion they made is a target spec for devs to build around. They want consumers to know that if you have that spec hardware, Rift compatible games will work 100%, and they want devs to know that if their game requires higher specs to function on Rift, they fucked up. No dev HAS to build a game that requires those specs though and anyone could make a game that worked with lower powered hardware or have graphic options to lower the fidelity to a point that it will work at lower specs.
I mean the "all-in" price is going to be similar if not higher. I agree though, most definitely it will probably be higher.
I mean the "all-in" price is going to be similar if not higher. I agree though, most definitely it will probably be higher.
I don't see how the Morpheus is going to offer an experience similar to the Rift on PS4 tech. It's going to need extra oomph somehow, if it wants to achieve that. You need 60 FPS minimum so people don't get motion sickness. (Oculus consumer is probably going to be much higher, though.)
You want a high resolution so it doesn't look like shit, since it's splitting the image.
$1500 figure included the Oculus Rift.
He also said 'at most'.
There is no minimum requirement. Just a recommended one.
NullPointer
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Pretty much, yes. We live in an age of wonder. Gotta dream bigger.
Yes, according to them. A 980 with 8 gigs of ram.
Now, that being said, if I had to guess that benchmark, it would probably be the card that effortlessly got the Portal Demo and the RISE Unreal 4 demos running at 120fps at 2550 x 1200 without breaking a sweat.
We still don't know what a true gaming experience using ANY vr headsets will be.
Guy should've just said a decent or high end computer, even if the parts for the PC go down significantly by the time oculus comes out this headline will be stuck in some people's heads.
All we need is for Sony to not screw up morpheus and make it a decent price, then we can have some VR for the future and heck then Sony can definitely recoup the R&D cost.
All we need is for Sony to not screw up morpheus and make it a decent price, then we can have some VR for the future and heck then Sony can definitely recoup the R&D cost.
Oculus is basically telling developers when you make a game aim for it to operate at its best on hardware at X level. If you have a superior PC then great but they are aiming for a specific level.
KnockOneOff
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Gaffers why do you take this as a suprise??
Of course you will need a high end rig for the RIFT your pretty much pushing out on to 3 screens with 2 of those displays running the RIFT
The ps4 won't have no where enough juice to run some of the games the rift will be able to run
Of course you will need a high end rig for the RIFT your pretty much pushing out on to 3 screens with 2 of those displays running the RIFT
The ps4 won't have no where enough juice to run some of the games the rift will be able to run
M0nochromatic
Member
It isn't that surprising from what I understand the HMD to be. I'm still in for the PC experience, and I hope Sony is able to make Morpheus suitable for the low end crowd.
OptimusLime
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Can't say Im too surprised, early adopter costs for an early adopter-aimed device. It'll be better in its 2nd gen, if VR catches on of course.
There are a lot of hard realities to VR that people were able to imagine didn't exist when the consumer product was a hypothetical thing that was years away.
But now that we are closer, people are going to be increasingly forced to deal with those realities. Most notable are the problems that VR headsets are really expensive and that they require powerful hardware.
Man I must of stumbled upon some weird reality where top end PCs weren't considered pricey.
Yeah, that sound about right. And also fair, considering their specs will work for a very long period of time. Surprised at people thinking this is DOA just because of specs. Morpheus won't be able to achieve the same results in terms of quality or performance, due to an inferior hardware on the PS4, but both can achieve great results, especially because they aren't directly competing with each other. Both are exclusives to their platforms, which have different audiences.
ChronotriggerJM
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People need to get their mind out of the arms race for starters. Leave realism expectations at the door and concern yourself with art. What kind of a rig do you imagine you would need to power a game like No Man's Sky, or Tearaway at 60FPS / 1080p? It won't take much. The PC and PS4 will be capable of different levels of rendering tech, this is fact, but presence destroys the necessity for cutting edge graphics. Consistency is much more important.
Minecraft is mind blowing in VR.
Go where the games are.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
For a long time, my fear about the resurgence of VR has been that the copycat mass-market players will beat the better devices to market and with a much lower price point. The crappy experience afforded by these devices (poor gfx, lag, nausea) will be most people's first experience with VR and it will sour them on it. It will then be declared a stillborn fad just as it was last time, and that will be that. At least this time, I think a niche will survive on PC and for specialized applications.
In fact, this is what I'm predicting will happen.
In fact, this is what I'm predicting will happen.
When you consider what kind of PC it takes to run new games like Witcher 3 and GTAV maxxed out this really isn't surprising. At all. To play those games @ >1080p and over 60fps with an Oculus could cost $1500 no problem.
But if you just wanna play like Half-Life 2 or Skyrim in VR I doubt the majority on this board would have to do much/any spending at all beyond the initial cost of the Oculus.
But if you just wanna play like Half-Life 2 or Skyrim in VR I doubt the majority on this board would have to do much/any spending at all beyond the initial cost of the Oculus.
baphomet
Member
Youre not rendering at 1080p. Youre rendering at the very least double that.
grtkbrandon
Neo Member
This is also assuming you've never owned a computer in your life and have no foundation to upgrade from. A lot of people will just need to upgrade their mobo, CPU, GPU, and maybe their PSU.
There's a big difference between the meanings of "inferior" and "bad". They are not necessarily the same thing. I think no one is saying Morpheus is bad. But it goes without saying that a whatever hypothetical low end device might be somewhat inferior to a high end device. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that. Catering for the high end market is what Oculus has had in their plans for the last couple of years, and they have been open about it.