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One Analyst's Prediction: PS4 Slim to be announced in addition to the PS4 Neo at TGS
- Thread starter Dovahking
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Neo compatible, rumors says neo is suppost to have 1080p mins requirement. Not sure if that is made up.
That was taken from leaked Sony DevNet documents, so I'd say it was a pretty solid statement.
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They didn't. But it looks like they did say it the next day.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Slim model is a good idea to keep the base PS4 model ''fresh'' even when Neo is available. I don't think it will be much smaller but anything helps.
I have a hard time seeing a TGS announcement too.
Felessan
Member
The problem is exactly because markets are different. Those who aiming for Scorpio are forced to wait 1.5 years. And during this time they might switch to Neo or even PC. If markets were the same one - this people would have option to stay on current Xbox One/One S. But they are not and time gap will hurt sales.
Playstation doesn't (presumably) have this problem as they are offering products to both markets at once.
Elven_Star
Member
Have never had any problem with PS4's noise and heat. Smaller is always better. I'm not gonna switch, though, because the OG one is working perfectly fine. But this is great for new customers.
Pathfinder
Member
Sony would most likely run into a problem of their own with sales introducing both Slim and Neo at the same time. It would be a sure death sentence for the Slim model as hardly anyone will want the inferior Playstation if they're sitting next to each other on the shelf.
It's just not a good idea for them to release a Slim model with Neo so close. Just release the Neo for those who want a beefier PS4 and keep the original model in circulation.
Microsoft will sell S models this Christmas and then a subset of gamers will purchase Scorpio's next year for extra power.
ChasingComets
Member
Not with the ballpark $200 price difference.
You're trying too hard. If people are willing to buy a regular ps4 why wouldn't they buy the slim that is replacing it on shelves? There isn't going to be 3 models to buy. You're clearly reaching. Slim models always replace the old model. It's why ms is having fire sales on the original x1 to clear stock for the x1s.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I think Sony needs to get slim model out to compete with Xbox One Slim.I'm sure theyd don't want to let Microsoft have the holiday season to themselves as the cheapest UHD player. That would be a big selling point.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
A slim really doesnt make any sense
jeff_rigby
Banned
StrongBlackVine said:
The PS4 2015 model had a new Southbridge and Southbridge is where ALL Media and Codecs are supported including UHD BLU-RAY. A blu-ray drive to support UHD blu-ray either needs a firmware update or a small change that with economy of scale would cost pennies. If the Launch PS4 didn't support UHD BLu-ray the 2015 version should. There is no 2015 revision for the XB1 as the APU contains the Media TEE and Codecs, if the Launch XB1 couldn't support UHD Blu-ray only the XB1 Slim could.
PS4 Slim is likely only about price and I think we are overestimating the price. Sony is going to make money on media and services and wants as many people as possible with the console in the living room. In 2017 with HTML5 <video> and Vidipath which includes the UHD Blu-ray digital bridge, streaming media/games will take off. With VR supported in ALL PS4 platforms, casual games like The Shoot and Start the Party should be coming to the PS4.
What is the magic price in consumer minds? Slim sold at a loss to meet the "Magic price" and NEO at more than 10% profit is likely.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Don't think of it as a "Slim". They won't be able to make it significant smaller anyhow.
No, what I asume is they'll enable 4k playback and give it a new design, and maybe some internal changes to make it as cheap to produce as possible, and that's pretty much it. So, basically, this new SKU might also be able to play 4k Blu-Ray and streams, but won't have the extra beef of Neo.
I doubt Sony can afford to introduce a non-4k (playback) capable SKU now that MS has announced XBOX One S.
5.5 tflop would run too hot I think. The console runs very hot as it is.
jeff_rigby
Banned
The VCE in the PS4 APU does not support HEVC encode while the XB1 VCE does. VCE is a low latency hardware encoder AMD provided for Game streaming. It can not be used for commercial media.
The VCE is not on/in the ARM block. Sony moved the ARM block out of the APU to Southbridge so that they could use GDDR5 memory. The ARM block in APUs also handles Network standby which can't use GDDR5 memory as it uses too much power. Polaris GPUs use GDDR5 but rely on Motherboard and/or APU to support Network standby. I'd guess Sony will again move all ARM IP to Southbridge while Microsoft has to wait on HBM2 (Vega GPU) which can support low power network standby.http://wccftech.com/amd-unveils-polaris-11-10-gpu/ said:
Which explains the XB1 Scorpio delay till Holiday 2017 using the Vega GPU with HBM2. The power savings in using HBM over GDDR5 is then used for the GPU allowing two extra TF at the same TDP.
Edit: The Linkedin cite with a AMD employee testing compatibility for three APUs from Polaris (hindsight) to Launch APUs have to be XB1 Slim, PS4 NEO and a PS4 slim. XB1 Scorpio is still a year out and a different GPU family.
Three AMD Polaris GPUs have been recently released and one of them could be used in a PS4 slim resulting in a bump from 1.8 to 2.2 TF GPU. AMD Radeon RX 460
Sony started advertising the PS4 in China last month (whole family playing including Grandma) for name recognition, apparently for casual games and Sony is expecting 2017 to exceed all yearly gross sales since 1998 with a 10% profit margin largely due to the PS4 and network services.
To my mind the lack of a h.265 VCE and a need to have a cheap PS4 for the China market makes it a lock that a PS4 Slim is being released this holiday season along with Firmware 4.0 as the Media update introducing the features we were told at Launch the PS4 would support.
When you add the PS4 media firmware update to the PS4 hardware you get a combination that Sony expects to make them money. When you add PS3 firmware 5.0 to the PS3 hardware you get a combination that Sony expects to make money due to Network services. Sony says; "they will have the largest yearly gross in 2017 since 1998 with a 10% profit margin due to the PS4 and Network services". “8” is written as “八” in Kanji. 八 is considered “末広がり(Suehirogari)” from its shape which widens toward the end. Suehirogari is to become more and more prosperous as time goes.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I think they are just going to keep making incremental changes rather than a full blown slim.
Yet the ultimate key is still missing. A new Vita.
They are just going to keep making small incremental changes to the base PS4 unit instead of a slim. They want to maximize PS4 NEO's attractiveness while lowering the cost of OG PS4 for the 'lower tier option'. Introducing yet another sku would mess that up because it would be expected to come with some of the advancements of NEO like 4K output, UHD BR and HDR color compatibility
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Having three different models would get confusing for the average consumer. Companies need to follow the Apple of the old and have a streamlined product line.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Isnt TGS a little late for a double console announcement, would think PGS is a better timeframe to build up some hype
You mean Gamescom. TGS is before PGW.
The CUH-1200 was a nice improvement over the original model in terms of noise. I still think the latest model is a grab bag and can get a bit noisy at times. It has a wierd idle hum and a bit of coil whine in standby mode. It isn't a big deal of your immersed in the game.
I kind of want to see Sony go back to the PS2 slimline glory days. That thing was shockingly smaller than the original PS2 model. It won't happen but I'd like to think since Sony has the up on engineering over Microsoft in terms of hardware, they can pull off something interesting. Sony integrated the PSU into the system rather than having a power brick from the beginning while keeping the PS4 smaller than the Xbox One.
I kind of want to see Sony go back to the PS2 slimline glory days. That thing was shockingly smaller than the original PS2 model. It won't happen but I'd like to think since Sony has the up on engineering over Microsoft in terms of hardware, they can pull off something interesting. Sony integrated the PSU into the system rather than having a power brick from the beginning while keeping the PS4 smaller than the Xbox One.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Hard drive size is the biggest barrier to creating a proper slim model. We need a new way to store data that's also got geometrically more space than what we have now.
LordBaztion
Member
Neo, Slim and PSVR. It seem a way too crowded holiday for PS fans. I don't think Sony doing that, neither I think someone announcing new home consoles in Japan.
You are right, got my dates mixed. Thanks
Only reason I'm holding off on buying a PS4 for FFXV in two months is that I'm waiting for the Slim announcement, but I'm not sure if it'd come before FFXV anyway :/
What are the chances of a Slim model releasing before September 30?
EDIT: Something is coming, either it's just the Neo or also a Slim, because in Germany they literally throwing PS4s at you for 220-250€ including a game (recently 1TB PS4 + Uncharted 4 for 250€
or so in the last few days. They have to be making space for new models and I don't think they would do that just for Neo because they'd also want to have a cheaper product line alongside the Neo, no? And if there is no Slim they would want to sell the OG model for >= 300 instead of having all these cheap deals for weeks now, no?
What are the chances of a Slim model releasing before September 30?
EDIT: Something is coming, either it's just the Neo or also a Slim, because in Germany they literally throwing PS4s at you for 220-250€ including a game (recently 1TB PS4 + Uncharted 4 for 250€
or so in the last few days. They have to be making space for new models and I don't think they would do that just for Neo because they'd also want to have a cheaper product line alongside the Neo, no? And if there is no Slim they would want to sell the OG model for >= 300 instead of having all these cheap deals for weeks now, no?Slim.
Sorry I had to.
.NoctisVsStar
Member
My prediction is that the Neo will launch with Horizon.
Slim.Anyway maybe wait for Neo it's a better choice than a potential Slim IMO if you can wait to play XV but looking at your posts I doubt itSorry I had to.
Are you really asking me if I could wait to play FFXV?
Of course I won't wait a day even, especially because I'm so lucky to have two weeks of absolute free time after my last exam 3 days before FFXV releases!Yeah, would make sense.
Are you really asking me if I could wait to play FFXV?
Yeah I thought as much as I'm the same
. I'm all in day zero digital or physical if I can get it earlier. Also we're exactly 2 months away from release so HYPE.So Neo in February/March and Slim for the Holidays? That could happen.
WaterAstro
Member
Why would they need a slim when the Neo is at that price?
I think they would rather have people just by the Neo.
I think they would rather have people just by the Neo.
PS4 slim would have no real selling point, the Xbox One S has 4k video playback and HDR in games, and it's not like the PS4 is that big of console. Only the Neo will be receiving extra features. Plus, it would be way too many new choices out there when they need to promote the launch of both PS VR and Neo already.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
This fall
Wii u slim announced with NX unvieling
Wii u slim announced with NX unvieling
StereoVsn
Member
A new slim at $249 price point (lower on BF) is certainly more boom then uhd player.
It has less to do with having a "selling point" and more to do with making the console with cheaper components so that its cheaper to construct over the next couple of years of its life.
Cheaper components allows the console to be sold for cheaper as well, which is important for keeping the sales numbers high for Sony.
WaterAstro
Member
And keeping sales low for the Neo with that strategy. Whatever the price it is, it will be $200 or $300 less going towards a new Neo.
slavesnyder
Member
It's called options.
The most important thing for Sony is to get as many people as possible to buy their consoles, so they buy games and subscribe. They don't really care if it's a neo or not in the end.
I doubt Sony has a problem with having an introductory priced console while they have a premium console on the market, considering they both use the same software and that's where they make the bulk of their money.
Both have the same software, and both use the same subscription services. When a lot of PS4,s get traded in for the Neo, people who buy the second hand consoles are likely to buy new games or PS+.
WaterAstro
Member
I think you're missing the option called the original PS4.
Microsoft is creating 3 SKUs, and that's actually called a clusterfuck.
That's a pretty dumb statement. No company specifically create strategies to accommodate the second hand market in which they make no money from.
DonMigs85
Member
If they can shrink the board down to smaller than micro-ITX sized it should be possible to make a pretty small console. Maybe more cube than rectangle shaped. And might have to go with an external power brick.