Guess they are ditching the DEFERRED RENDERING!!1! engine
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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
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Guess they are ditching the DEFERRED RENDERING!!1! engine
Reviewers were not sent Xbone copies of the game so there can be no comparison until the game releases.
Microsoft is sending engineers to Konami as we speak.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
in the real world, ps4 version is 1080p whilst the xbone one is 720p.
just accept it
I think this is the problem, you wouldn't have many people complaining if COD was lower res on Xbox One. At least I wouldn't. Because that's believable and the game may be demanding just by the looks of it. BUT there is absolutely nothing about PES that explains it can only be 720p on Xbox One. People need to stop with this nonsense debate, and prove if it actually uses all that power PS4 has. I saw some gameplay footage and no, Fifa 15 looks lot better.
Until then, this is purely on dev tools and fox engine.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TPP delayed to 2016 confirmed? :/
They probably told the suits what the implications are for the decision they are making and the price point they are supposed to target.
Fairly certain Frostbite is deferred and PVZ is 900p60
Sure you can. Killzone Mercenary uses the PS3 engine but they went forward instead deferred. It's just cost prohibitive to do so and developers have to decide one is more advantageous to their goals.
edit - of course I don't know enough whether the difficulty of changing from deferred to forward would be the same between Killzone's engine and Fox. Maybe it's impossible with Fox.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
lol that's not exactly how it works. They probably go and tell them tricks and tips of using the machine more efficiency. I highly doubt they actually work on the game, because you can't just pick up on a game at the end and start fixing it which is been in development for years. Unless they are straight up geniuses.
Saying something is a myth is not an 'opinion'
It's a statment. Statements need to be backed by facts. You can't have it both ways.
Those MS engineers are really going to have a lot of frequent flier miles after this gen is over aren't they?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Lots of people did complain about the shoddy PS2 port, you're remembering that incorrectly.
If we had the internet when I was 12 I'm sure the C64/Spectrum/Amstrad arguments would have been just as epic as they are now, these things have always happened as far as I'm concerned.
lol
Looks like the straight up don't give a shit about the Xbone versions of fox engine games to me.
BruiserBear
Banned
The speed in which you treated that rumor as a fact was hilarious to watch. A little too eager.
Chobel
Member
Tricks and tips? LOL. If it was that simple MS would send them manuals not team of engineers. You don't send engineers unless they're working with code.
KZ:M was only in one platform, however Fox engine is multiplatform engine, so changing the renderer must be done for all platforms.
I haven't seen any game that shows it is 50% better overall, so until I have its a myth - and that is an opinion
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓← →← → B A at the title screen for 1080p.
Tomb Raider: DE 1080p/30 on X1 1080p/60(ish)fps on PS4, just about 40-50% lower on X1?
You're really going to ride this one out, aren't you...
DerZuhälter
Member
Wait. What's the big deal? Wasn't Ground Zeroes also 1080p/60 vs 720p/60?
There's less than 2 months left till the game launches, I doubt anything significant is going to come out of this.
Tomb Raider is hardly anywhere close to 60fps on ps4.
Call of Duty: Ghosts and Ground Zeroes both push 125% more pixels in the PS4 than in the Xbone version.
MDSLKTR
Member
Did you went on without Internet for a full year and decide to post now??
Well i'm not surprised by the difference, xbone is crippled by its inferior design after all. What surprised me was how the info was given out in a straightforward manner with no bullshit attached. This is something exceedingly rare for developers nowadays and Konami should be applauded for that.
Hey now, every game is 1080p as the output on the Xbone!
60ish:
about 40-50% difference, my point still stands no? There are tons of games out there that show the difference between the consoles, no matter how many deflections mrb1972 tries to make.
E dropped to 900p in some scenes on the X1 aswell...Just trying to defend my right to an opinion! As usual anyone who suggest anything negative towards the PS4 gets attacked by fanboys.
Back on topic please
Final Verdict
Member
I'm still just not buying that eSRAM could be causing all the problems here.
And yes I know the IQ is different, but 1080p-720p is still a 120% difference in rendering power, and we know that there are ways around the eSRAM's limitations if you use it right. (Diablo 3 is a good example of this).
My point was that if they really had put effort into optimization, there wouldn't be such crappy results. If you look at the lineup of AAA games coming this holiday, most are going to be very close or the same for X1 as with PS4.
-Lords of the Fallen is 900p-1080p
-AC Unity is aiming for complete parity
-We know Cod will be above 720p on X1, and was running close to 900p in an early build
-Alien Isolation will be 1080p on both.
-The Halo MCC will also be 1080p 60fps
I mean I'm just saying that is is very possible to get better results than 720p out of Xb1, even in 60fps games, and if they had really tried, then they would have better results.
So you're accusing people who have told you facts of being fanboys? That is uncalled for.
Do you work for FOX News by any chance?
Hahaha wow.
Probably used the crappy early XB1 SDK
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Well I dont know if you have ever done any programming before. But as a programmer myself I can tell you, that you cant just pick up someone else's code and start working it that fast. It takes weeks to even understand whats going on before you make any changes and I am talking small programs, i cant imagine how many things goes into making a game. So no, sending engineers doesnt mean they pick up game from developers hand and start fixing shit.
If I can guess, they probably go through the problems developers are having and then tell them few things they could do to improve this and that. May be show them with few examples.
All this lazy dev talk is funny. In a perfect world this might happen but in reality you have budgets, deadlines, console sales, talent and team sizes, managment decisions and of course hardware bottlenecks where optimization or work arounds cost a lot of money. PS3 had to suffer from this too, where 360 was simply easier to work with. This time the differences are more noticable because there is a wider power gap between the two systems and the stronger one is the default lead console.
What's the point in recycling the same conversation, you guys cant keep on and on at me as much as you like - I will stick to my opinion thanks
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Xbone runs Diablo 3 almost exactly like a GTX 460, and that's after MS's tech ninjas intervened. That's worrying... disturbing even.
We already have some screens from both PS4 and Xbone versions, and Xbone looks like it has aliasing that is sign of 900p.
Not all engines are created equal. Different rendering pipelines have different requirements. And if the Fox Engine works as intended on PC/PS4/PS3/X360 then why would they try to Rework their entire pipeline just for the X1? Not everything can be blamed on "lazy developers". Real life situations have many constraints and if it was simply a matter of putting a few more man hours into a project, big publishers have never been shy of doing so.
Calling people fanboys is frowned upon here. If you're going to make an argument then try to use facts and logic and present your views, don't resort to calling others names.
PES15 is the perfect example.
It's 720p on the Xbone and 1080p on the PS4.
1080p is a 125% increase from 720p.
PS4 am 125% more powerful!
No problem with that! Your opinion is still wrong, though.
Brilliant - I hereby award the title of "Most Stupid Post Today"
125% is probably overstating the fact though, lets not give him more fuel for his "fanboys hate me" shtick. On PES it's most likely the eSRAM as stated earlier that's the real bottleneck.
I'm not quite sure why people keep making a joke out of this.