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PlayStation 4 sells 9 million in the U.S.
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BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Nothing is grim, except your outlook on life
That's the thing, though. They aren't even selling less.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Yep. Sony took a bath last gen. I'm sure they are ecstatic about the way things are going.
*edit Not sure about the selling less part, but PS4 is definitely more profitable. Nintendo has used this approach forever.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Jesus Christ, those of you jumping on the OP for that comment are by far worse than you make him out to be. How about you people get a fucking grip. Is it possible that the console industry will sustain itself and make it out well by the end of this generation? Yes. Is it also possible that it may do considerably worse? Yes. So stop acting like any one of your stances is the de facto outlook and stop acting like assholes. Big fucking deal, he said the future looks grim. We are talking about sales here. Sales. God damn.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Nothing looks grim, though.
travisbickle
Member
This is just the US though. Sony got a plan for that, be relevant outside the US. That's why their global sell-through is so high, anyone can see the US is a saturated market for consoles.
I agree that so far it looks like this gen is going to be frontloaded, but this gen is moving slower than many expected. A lot of big games are coming, and the amount of big games that came out is respectable, but so much more is coming.
A lot of people are expecting shorter generations now, but it keeps taking longer and longer to make games. Something has to give, either the console cycle is longer, or games get smaller.
I'd be ok with a combination of both, technical improvements are exponentially raising costs and development times, and it's actually sometimes seemingly detrimental to the industry and game quality.
A lot of people are expecting shorter generations now, but it keeps taking longer and longer to make games. Something has to give, either the console cycle is longer, or games get smaller.
I'd be ok with a combination of both, technical improvements are exponentially raising costs and development times, and it's actually sometimes seemingly detrimental to the industry and game quality.
That's what I thought.
To be honest though the content hasn't been as incredible as in previous gens. All previous gens brought new game design paradigms - the last gen was cinematic games. This gen has a ton of remakes and other low risk high roi titles but so far the new content isn't there and neither is the groundbreaking new experience.
3rdamention
Member
So selling 40%, more consoles than last gen at this point is looking grim?
I mean we are talking about SALES here..right?
I said dim and yeah, that's how it looks. My only hope is PSVR.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Who gives a shit. Anything can happen down the line. He made one comment, so dismiss it. It is not of importance.
Get lost.
Anyway, OP, I don't think the outlook is necessarily grim. I think we're accustomed to three consoles selling over 85 million each last generation, and since we're still so early on in this generation, we get anxious hoping that this generation bears any resemblance to the last one.
TetraGenesis
Member
Looks grim.
Patapwn
Member
The xbone will overtake ps4 in US or it wont. They cant both be fantasizing...
BuffetChamp
Banned
Really? Even after Sony had given the finger to people who bought Vitas youre saying stuff like this? LOL. Wow.
You are fundamentally misunderstanding how percentages work, OP.
A decreasing percentage difference does not mean the "lead" is decreasing, it's simply how math works to keep a constant percentage, sales would have to be consistently higher, not roughly the same or variable across generations.
A decreasing percentage difference does not mean the "lead" is decreasing, it's simply how math works to keep a constant percentage, sales would have to be consistently higher, not roughly the same or variable across generations.
Thanks!
jackissocool
Member
Total console sales, no, but it's also clear that PS4 and Xbone will significantly PS3 and 360.
thats the vacuum the wii left behind, it targeted non-gamers and they moved on to tablets and smartphones, a few will make the transition to consoles, but the market will regress to the mean, its not shrinking
I don't think you understand what was in the OP. Maybe that is why people are freaking out about what I said.
I'll say it again. PS4 + XB1 sales were 80% higher than PS3 + 360 sales last year, launches aligned. That gap has been reduced to 40%. It's really not that hard guys.
The Artisan
Member
i wish i saw that commment before it was removed from the OP
Canis lupus
Member
Oh noez stop the factories consoles are doomed, again.
Well duh at some point they're gonna fall behind their predecessors, it's not hard to predict that. PS3 slim/ 2009 price cut, 360 holiday 2010 Kinecteffect periods are yet to be compared so if we don't see PS4 slim or another price cut next year then the 299 PS3 slim could be ahead, shocking! It's also not hard to predict the total install base might be smaller because the gen will likely be shorter.
Also these numbers are becoming less relevant. Revenue generated per user is what matters. A console gamer is worth more than last gen.
LOL. It's in the first post.
So your argument now is that Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus are not real software and shouldn't be counted towards Wii's total software sales?
Your original argument was that Wii gamers were grandparents etc. who bought only 1 game. Now we are at 7 per console according to you, and at 9 according to actual data.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Before the new holidays and launch aligned with the first 36 months of the others... Something we don't actually have data for on ps4/xbone, yet. And of course it wasn't going to stay at 80% the whole time. That's highly improbable.
KillerMan91
Member
Okay. Lets illustrate. Taking numbers out of my ass because I can't bother to gather real numbers but you should get the point.
During some point of early life:
Console A: 2 000 000
Console B: 3 600 000
In this case console B has sold 80% more than console A. Unit wise the difference is 1.6 million.
During later life:
Console A: 15 000 000
Console B: 21 000 000
In this case console B has sold 40% more than console A. Unit wise the difference is 6 million.
Say to me which gap is bigger?
Battlefront is definitely one to watch. It will be a very unique release. I think it'll be the first time that a high quality AAA game is being tied in with a movie release. Definitely the first time it's been done for a movie this big. I think it will pass CoD and push a lot of console sales.
The Artisan
Member
oh, that's the part you removed? at first I thought you were sarcastic lol. but I went ahead and read the whole of zhuge's article.
Ok, I'll walk through this.
1 million compared to 500,000 is 100% more.
9 million compared to 6 million is 50% more.
Aligning to a single date, the "lead" is still larger in the second case, despite a lower percentage.
You are taking ZhugeEX's prediction (which is fine -- you are free to take that, and it may very well happen), but using as evidence a decrease in percentages.
The decrease in percentages does not imply a decrease in the gap. The two statistics are related, but one does not imply the other -- your argument on page 1 was that the 80% -> 40% number did, when it does not by the simple way that percentages work.
All 4 of those titles are going to jump sales, but yes, Star Wars and the movie will be the biggest reason. A kid getting battlefront, and call of duty under the Christmas tree this year with either console seems to be reasonable. I don't know how many kids I see with Vader toys, light sabers the audience for Star Wars hits every age and the sales will definitely show for it.
ThomasAnderson
Member
A fool? I believe they learned from their mistakes. My XB1 is going strong and runs quieter than the 3 PS4s I've owned.
Not sure why so many people are fixated on console doomsaying. Do you know what will happen if that comes to pass? No more big budget games for anyone.
Also not sure why people even include Wii sales figures for the past generation count, because it was clearly an anomaly, a bubble, a swollen walled garden mostly unrelated to the traditional market.
Also not sure why people even include Wii sales figures for the past generation count, because it was clearly an anomaly, a bubble, a swollen walled garden mostly unrelated to the traditional market.
I'm actually expecting it to do averagely, potential bomba. I spoke to a bunch of people at work who are firmly 'average mainstream gamers' and they had tried the Battlefront beta, and no plans to buy it now. It felt a bit soulless to me, I don't think the beta did the game any favours. Everyone is buying BO3 though.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
This is definitely missing the point, which was that casuals who enjoy casual games have moved onto mobile.
I get what you guys meant but I don't even know what the actual numbers are. I was speaking in percentages and rates the whole time.
TheAssist
Member
Last gen had over 7 years to sell those units.
I guess quite a lot were double dips (for special editions, new revisions) and plain simple replacement units. So not actual install base.
I'm not saying it compensates, since this will happen this gen again (but this gen probably wont be as long, hence less revisions and replacements needed), just that it might screw the number a little.
I guess quite a lot were double dips (for special editions, new revisions) and plain simple replacement units. So not actual install base.
I'm not saying it compensates, since this will happen this gen again (but this gen probably wont be as long, hence less revisions and replacements needed), just that it might screw the number a little.
Well, we haven't gotten an update for the sold through figures worldwide in many months now. The last official one from Sony was 20.2 million by the end of February IIRC. The latest shipment numbers were 25.3 million by the end of June 2015. However, with this info, we can roughly estimate the WW sold through figures. We know that the US contributes slightly more than a third of the global sales for the PS4. So, I'd say that worldwide the PS4 was approaching or around 27 million by the end of September 2015. I expect shipment numbers by the end of September to be at least 28 million, but I'm leaning more towards 28.5 million.
Also, holy shit, this thread is full of doom and gloom posts.
I'm not buying it because premium and no server browsers but the beta was very fun. Besides, oddly enough, most players don't even bother with betas. I think the bulk of the sales will be from that crowd.
Canis lupus
Member
People are trying way too hard to find cracks in console sales and then quick to attributing it to mobiles or other thing killing consoles. There literally could not be any explanation why sales could slow down other than people losing interest and starting to play on mobiles!
Therein lies the problem: Percentages and rates are not enough to conclude that a gap is closing, since the baseline is also changing.
This. Great games everywhere this holiday. I have no idea how things are going to shake out in terms of sales, but I think X1,and PS4 will do well. I think Star Wars Battlefront will be the breakout casual champagne though. Nostalgia, marketing and hype from the movies. That game feels shallow, but it'll sell.
lukeskymac
Member
Sometimes I wonder if you don't set yourself for disappointment on purpose.
7DollarHagane
Banned
wait, what's doomed now? Who?
that kind of lead over last gen won't last. Hopefully they get aggressive on price in 2016-2017 and hit the $250 price point sooner rather than later.
that kind of lead over last gen won't last. Hopefully they get aggressive on price in 2016-2017 and hit the $250 price point sooner rather than later.
Perhaps my boundless optimism leading to disappointment is why I'm always so negative.
