Always-honest
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Okay, haha. Well, that's not going to bother me in any way.
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PS4 Pro: TLOU Remastered performs worse than base PS4....even at 1080P
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Okay, haha. Well, that's not going to bother me in any way.
Yes pretty much lol.
But then why not go all the way and choose the 4k30 mode? A performance mode should prioritize performance. Or at least let you choose. This mode as it stands is just a weird hybrid that gives you worst performance than the base PS4. Not that big a deal but kind of goes against the whole "PS4 pro game will never run worse".
I'm perfectly fine with 30Hz/4K downsampled as long as the frametimes are consistent.
BigTnaples
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Again. A 1-2 fps drop here and there that is barely perceptible, against an absolutely transformative boost in IQ 100% of the time..
This is a none issue.
This is a none issue.
GhostOfSparta305
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And also this.
LukasTaves
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It's not quite 58, it can hit low 50's in more stressed points.
Though I'd say the point still stands, he had cod at 50-60 all the way through last gen and people were fine with that.
Haven't really noticed anything in the unlocked mode, so meh.
I couldn't tell a difference in IQ between the two modes, so I can't imagine why anyone would go with 30fps. And I'm playing from about 3 feet away.
I couldn't tell a difference in IQ between the two modes, so I can't imagine why anyone would go with 30fps. And I'm playing from about 3 feet away.
psychotron
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I can cherry pick too. Nobody said it's the end of the world, but you should be able to replicate the base experience 1:1.
http://imgur.com/a/Lu8V8
http://imgur.com/a/1qY9i
It's not a weird hybrid. 1800p is a huge step up from 1080p and 60fps with a few dips to the mid 50s in intense scenarios is way better than a locked 30fps.
TLOU plays a million times better at 60fps. It's impossible for me to go back to 30fps.
A bit strange to see the different reaction to the same kind of news. Yesterday we had the Skyrim thread that showed that the game ran slightly worse than on the base PS4 and it was filled with Bethesda bashing and Todd Howard memes. Today in here it's apparently no big deal.
According to DF the difference can be up to 5-6fps and dips in the exact same way than the base PS4. I don't know, for a performance mode on superior hardware it feels significant enough.
According to DF the difference can be up to 5-6fps and dips in the exact same way than the base PS4. I don't know, for a performance mode on superior hardware it feels significant enough.
From the video, the FPS drops to more than that in busy environments, 4 and 5 fps below the base model.
Devs need to get used to the PRO, and improve PS4 games without compromising the orginial performance.
Yautja_Warrior
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If its a small dip like 1-5fps, similar to Skyrim, then I can imagine Sony might let that go, like a small margin of error, as long as the game isn't constantly dropping way below the original PS4 performance and it is pushing a hell of a lot higher resolution.
Only played it at 4k/30fps myself at the moment but that seemed fine to me, the better shadows, with no jaggies are worth the trade off for me, might try the 60fps mode later to see how it feels.
Only played it at 4k/30fps myself at the moment but that seemed fine to me, the better shadows, with no jaggies are worth the trade off for me, might try the 60fps mode later to see how it feels.
I thought the Skyrim thing was a more than a bit overblown but dropping a few frames from 30fps is far more noticeable than dropping a few frames from 60fps.
Skyrim is no big deal either IMO but people generally have a shittier opinion of Bethesda than Naughty Dog
catashtrophe
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Eurogamer article on this issue and more
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-pro-titles-running-slower-than-base-hardware
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-pro-titles-running-slower-than-base-hardware
TheGreyHulk
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This isnt even an issue at all. It's only a few frames off for a huge upgrade in IQ. Nobody would even notice this at all. Only software can show us this negligible difference.
It is an issue insofar as it drops performance where the base PS4 game doesn't. It's not a catastrophic, unplayable drop in performance, but I'd say it's not ideal. I would expect the game to perform better on the premium system. Considering this isn't the only game that performs worse than base PS4 versions it's a problem I'm not happy about. Other games do perform better and look better, so hopefully this isn't a recurring and ongoing thing.
I could. I downsample on the reg on PC guys, I know what I prefer. Besides, like I said, I'd only settle for 30 if there isn't a patch to improve performance at 60. DF suggests maybe 1440p would be more suitable for the hardware.
WheelHoss1
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This thread is so misleading. Sure maybe it "performs" better in terms of framrate on OG PS4. But it LOOKS a million times better in 4K/HDR.
wowbaggerBR
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Nvmd.
Ya that is crazy. I haven't taken mine out of the box yet but having them run worse on the pro than on the OG ps4 is insane. Hopefully this all gets ironed out over the months to come when developers have more time to implement the pro or can implement front the start. Didn't think this would happen, I can c not constantly hitting 60fps but this. Thought Sony said something about games could not run worse then OG ps4? Hopefully this all gets sorted out very soon.
Yeah it can drop lower than just 1-2 fps
That's to be expected with such a huge jump in resolution and I'd take the pro version over the base one, which wasn't a locked 60 either, anyday.
4k mode is solid also. This is typical for page nonsense.
Regginator
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Inexcusable. There isn't a reason whatsoever that it performs WORSE on an beefier, objectively more POWERFUL version of the PS4. Like, what's even the point of the added visuals from the Pro if it can't even hold at least the same performance on OG PS4?
I expect ND to handle this with a neat future past, because if this is the future of the Pro... oh boy.
I expect ND to handle this with a neat future past, because if this is the future of the Pro... oh boy.
Really good write up. It might be a bigger issue than we thought on some games. I feel like a thread with this article as a starting point might encourage better discussions than this thread.
Serious Sam
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It is an issue. When you play at perfect 60fps any framerate fluctuations become very apparent and annoying. That's why Tom made a big deal out of this and said he prefers 30fps mode which runs at solid FPS instead of almost 60FPS mode.
It's disappointing on multiple fronts: runs worse than original PS4, PS4 Pro is perfectly capable of running this game at solid 60FPS if slightly lower resolution was used, there is no way to get original PS4 performance on Pro.
The drops are not that bad, but it does show that it's not required to always match the original performance, and so it would be useful to be able to force OG PS4 mode on Pro, just in case some game goes horribly wrong and playing on Pro is actually worse. Instead of begging for a patch, people can just turn on OG PS4 mode and play it without having to worry about that.
I don't think it needs to be that drastic. They could go with 2880x1620 too.
I don't think it needs to be that drastic. They could go with 2880x1620 too.
Ahhh why did you decide to remove that. I will answer you anyway the mid gen refresh is not going to backfire on them despite you and others hoping it will. Because ultimately it won't effect people who don't buy one and the people who did buy one will probably be ok with the purchase.
So can i set it to 4K even without a 4K tv? Will it just downscale? could people do that?
TLOU on OG PS4 doesn't run at perfect 60fps
Always-honest
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It's a 1 to 2 frames on average difference on a much higher resolution. I think the earth will keep spinning.
TheGreyHulk
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The only thing they should do is allow original settings in all games in addition to any pro enhancements. I can see ND fixing this is people make enough of a fuss
If it's 1-2 frames at a higher resolution than ok that's not really noticeable IMO. Thought it was 5-10 fps
AndyMoogle
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While 2 fps lower sound like it's nothing, it will cause noticeable stuttering. Anything that isn't 30 or 60 fps will cause stuttering.
This is GAF breh.
Xbox One S gains 3 fps over the original, blowing peoples minds and making them forget that it still runs games worse than a standard PS4.
So PS4 Pro running games at 4-5fps lower automatically makes it dogshit + the end of the world.
WheelHoss1
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This thread is turning into everything wrong with GAF these days. Oh well.
Regginator
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It's about the principle. So according to you, any game that targeted 30fps on OG PS4 and in practise reached an average of ~27, imagine with the Pro it'll go down to lower 20s, and you'd be okay with that? Because the visuals are somewhat enhanced? Why stop there, render at 8K and then 15fps, who gives a shit right?
But that's exactly his point. He was hoping the pro would iron out the fps issues of the base version, not make them worse. If the 60fps parts (that could very well be running at over 60fps before being locked to 60) can run like that on Pro, imagine when the framerate is already bad on the OG PS4.
I do agree with you, though, I still prefer the 1800p version, easily.
matrix-cat
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This. Small FPS drops are an issue, because they usually cause stutters that are very noticeable. Especially when the fluctuations are constant like this.
It seems like it would have been so easy to just render at a slightly lower resolution to get the framerate under control. Why aim for an arbitrary 1800p in 60FPS mode if you can't get 60FPS?