Yes, many people still would. YouTube, Netflix, Twitch are good examples constant stuttering on bad internet connection, switching between hi-res/low-res, etc.
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PS4 Pro: TLOU Remastered performs worse than base PS4....even at 1080P
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Yes, many people still would. YouTube, Netflix, Twitch are good examples constant stuttering on bad internet connection, switching between hi-res/low-res, etc.
I'm not really surprised, always been cautious about performance when rendering at higher resolution. I'd rather have a decent AA solution and better performance at 1080p than down sampling from 1800p. Or just down sample from 1440p since this seems more reasonable for the console to handle.
Alpha Phoenix
Member
Obvious CPU bottleneck is obvious.
From those images, I see drops to below 50 fps on the PS4 Pro.
No it is not a CPU bottleneck. It's a GPU one.
That's a bummer for sure.
They should be offering the standard PS4 mode as an option if they can't match the performance at a higher resolution.
Even so, I still think that this can be fixed with a patch. Either by optimizing the game further or dropping the resolution (1620p, 1440p etc.). I do not believe that the CPU is the issue here.
They should be offering the standard PS4 mode as an option if they can't match the performance at a higher resolution.
Even so, I still think that this can be fixed with a patch. Either by optimizing the game further or dropping the resolution (1620p, 1440p etc.). I do not believe that the CPU is the issue here.
ftfy
Omnistalgic
Member
yeah...
and theyll likely patch...
No one is noticing this.
the goal should be 55-60 constant though.
Not sure why people keep quoting that post. It's false information. The OP has proper benchmarks pics.
More like cherry-picked.
thelastword
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I agree that the game needs a patch, I'm sure it will get one, but where exactly do you see the framerate dropping below 50fps, can you screen cap these scenes...?
GhostOfSparta305
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Omnistalgic
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even dropping to 50 is not a huge deal for me...
But whatever...
I think mostly newer games will benefit from Pro, I feel like these old games are just gravy, don’t sales are increasing because of 4k/HDR support, so just grateful for titles to show off until the showcase games like Horizon and GTS launch.
But TLOU on OG PS4 has the same issue:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-the-last-of-us-remastered (28/07/2014)
Kenzodielocke
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Yep, compared to other games, these seem to have problems. Whatever, I trust ND to fix that and they were saying they're looking into different techniques for Uncharted 4.
LordRaptor
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We've literally had decades of developers talking about 'coding to the metal', optimising for specific fixed hardware to get the most out of it, 'punching above its weight' etc on console.
Is it really developer laziness Sony threw that out the window to sell a mid-gen hardware iteration?
The framerate drops below 50 fps (to between 49 and 50 fps), on this image. Perhaps it rounds up to 50 fps, but it is still below the reference line that represents 50 fps. My message was in response to it only being a 1-2 fps drop, which appears false.
TotalMackerel
Member
Glad to read that last bit in the article that says they've reported it to Sony and Sony is investigating. I can live with the small drop, but we shouldn't have to.
DragonKnight
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Just curious if there are any devs lurking in this thread? If so, what do you think about complaints such as these?
Its fluctuations in framerate that people notice. The game running at 50 instead of 60 wouldn't be that noticeable. But shifting from 60 to 50 and back regularly is jarring, for example. (NB I'm not saying this is what TLOU is doing, just an example)
hogendaz85
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Thank you. I don't understand how some people don't understand the actual gulf here. Granted 1440p at a locked 60fps would end this discussion but there needs to be an understanding that relative to the resolution it certainly is outperforming the OG PS4.
Everyone's always quick to get worked up.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
So. Many. Straw men.
How is Ryse or The Witcher 3 even relevant here? Bloodborne also dropped into the teens, but again, that's not relevant.
If you can't see the difference between Ryse and Witcher 3 running on OG consoles, and a patched remaster of a 2013 game running on a mid-gen upgrade to a console then ... you aren't as clued in as you'd like us to believe. Their reactions aren't selective, they're perfectly in context, considering the subject matter.
As an additional note, the shimmering TLOUR on PS4Pro being gone is also exactly what Sony said would happen, the SSAA is reducing the aliasing artifiacts/shimmer/jaggies.
Risk Breaker
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So obvious you don't seem to know what you're talking about. :/
This so much. Inconsistent frame rates do matter. And this problem would be easily solved if the game rendered at 1440p or 1600p for 60 fps mode and then either upscaled/downscaled to final output.
Look at the graph, it's not cherry-picked. The pro consistently performs around 50 while the ps4 is in the high 50s
It's really sad to see fanboy culture so hugely on display in this thread. For some there's literally nothing ND can do that could be considered negative.
When you simply set the game running at a higher resolution while disregarding the fact that it performs worse than it currently does on PS4, yes, that's somebody not giving a shit. At the moment there is literally nothing a Pro-only owner can do to get it to run at a framerate equal or higher to the regular PS4.
I don't think it has anything to do with the hardware. ND should've picked a lower resolution than 1800p.
When you simply set the game running at a higher resolution while disregarding the fact that it performs worse than it currently does on PS4, yes, that's somebody not giving a shit. At the moment there is literally nothing a Pro-only owner can do to get it to run at a framerate equal or higher to the regular PS4.
I don't think it has anything to do with the hardware. ND should've picked a lower resolution than 1800p.
Broken Hope
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You do realise the console is doing the same work regardless of the final output resolution right?
The console in this particular game is rendering at 1800P and then outputting the final screen at either 4K or 1080p depending on the TV used.
Backfoggen
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Devs should really make sure this doesn't happen. Why go with 1800p if it introduces worse fps than the base game?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Shame about the dips in frame rate, but I was gonna play it at 4K + 30 anyway so it's a moot point for me.
No. There's two modes in TLOU, 1800p/60 and 4k/30 if I remember correctly. He's referring to the 4k/30 mode.
The moment chosen in this earlier screen-cap to dismiss the performance variation is so obviously insincere, just looking at the line graph or the video itself.
Edit: Sorry that wasn't clearer. I was saying dracula_x was being insincere.
Edit: Sorry that wasn't clearer. I was saying dracula_x was being insincere.
Nachtfalke
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What bummers me is that there is not an option for 1080p, for 1080p. HDTV owners for example. Downsampling is nice, but not for worse performance. Give people the choice. Also why not going for 1440p with locked 60 fps, like Titanfall 2? There is already a native 4k mode for those who wants it. Give people who prefer locked 60fps a better option. 1800p seems too much.
LordRaptor
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I think there's a real argument that Sony set the expectations of what the PS4Pro would be capable of and that it would be 'free' for developers to meet those expectations.
The apologism and "who cares, it's only <x> fps" is very disconcerting for the future of PS4 Pro development. They're already favoring visual effects over performance, which was a major disappointment for 1080p gamers, and now they're being told that not only is it okay if the PS4 Pro version doesn't run faster than the base, it's actually fine if it runs even slower. 1-2 fps becomes 3-5 fps becomes 10-15 fps, that's the nature of business-driven software development; they'll try to save cost wherever consumers will let them get away with it, it's basic profit economics. This is a big deal. If you want to accept lower fps for better IQ that's obviously your valid opinion, but to dismiss people that are upset about it is bad for the consumer base as a whole.
...? Did you look at the line graph? The pro is consistently below the regular PS4 (we really need a shorthand for this). In the video, when the game buckles under load, the Pro nearly always drops more frames.
holygeesus
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Surely if non-patched games run the same as PS4 base versions on the Pro, it must be an easy fix?
Have to say, I was going to buy one at the weekend, but will hold off for a bit I think.
Have to say, I was going to buy one at the weekend, but will hold off for a bit I think.