btkadams said:not to get in your squabble, but 3d does not change the way you play a game. a back touch panel does. the two are not even close to being comparable.
Bad_Boy said:I think when both devices are sitting at a kiosk in gamestop/bestbuy/whathaveyou...and you see that OLED screen playing call of duty and uncharted. And at the same price as a 3DS....
It changes things.
I agree.flyinpiranha said:I think visual fidelity adds to a game just as much as a new control input. This is obviously where my disconnect with the 3D hating crowd.
I think 1080p and 60FPS to a racing game can be just as important as using an anolog over a D pad.
LM4sure said:Thats my thought exactly. The PSP was technically superior to the ds, but that crashed and burned, and the PSP was in line graphically with the PS2. What is the difference this time? So I can play Uncharted on a handheld. So what? I can also play it on my PS3, which is what the vast majority of people would prefer to do! Even making it a different game than the PS3 version wont do much to help steer people toward the PSVita. Didnt the PSP get a unique version of MGS, one of the biggest franchises on the PS2/PS3? And that did not help with PSP sales. Not sure what the selling point is here to be honest
Bad_Boy said:I think when both devices are sitting at a kiosk in gamestop/bestbuy/whathaveyou...and you see that OLED screen playing call of duty and uncharted. And at the same price as a 3DS....
It changes things.
Fidelis Hodie said:As far as comparisons go, in the end DS beats PSP because of the games, which is what this little squabble will come down to also.
Willy105 said:If they are showing the 3DS at a kiosk, people are going to see the 3D, it's going to be a fair fight.
It's interesting how opinions vary so heavily. I loved DS and PSP, but I always enjoyed the PSP library more. I see very little in the way of interesting software on the 3DS horizon while the Vita is full of interesting titles.Squall ASF said:3DS, no question. PSP blew for quarters in my eyes with barely anything worth playing and I expect the PSV to be no different. Meanwhile, 3DS has a whole slew of awesome looking games coming out. Looking at history, Nintendo will have the superior library and that's what matters. That said, PSV can always work to prove me wrong. If it came out with a bunch of high calibur RPG's, I'd take notice. As with the PSP, PSV has nice hardware and this time they got the price right, it's just a shame that I have absolutely no confidence in it's future game library.
KAL2006 said:For me personaly Vita has ticked every box
Region Free
$250
$40 games
Dual analogs
5" OLED, High res
Unique controls
Online that looks to be even better than PS3 (LiveArea, Cross chat)
Cross platform play with PS3
Nextgen games like Uncharted and SFxT
Unique games like Sound Shapes
Pick up and play games like LittleBigPlanet, Hotshots, Super Stardust and etc.
3DS just all around disappointed for me
Shitty launch line up
$250 not worth it
Shitty web browser
not region free
Shitty online (WTF, you still need friends codes)
No Virtual console transfers from Wii
Main screen not even touch
Main screen is still too small for me (I prefer bigger, would have benefited the 3D)
Screen resolution is not that high
No dual analogs (why didn't they know the complaints from original PSP)
No videoplayer (can't watch your own video files)
Of course though it all comes down to the games, 3DS is looking to have an incredible software for the rest of this year, even though it had a bad start, Vita seems to have a solid launch line up. I will probably buy Vita day 1, and get 3DS when the revision comes out.
Point taken. Better graphics vs True 3D?Willy105 said:If they are showing the 3DS at a kiosk, people are going to see the 3D, it's going to be a fair fight.
Point taken as well. Marketing will be a huge player this go around.onQ123 said:but that still depends on who you're there to buy the handheld for, yourself or for your kids
chances are if your buying it for your kids you're going to go for the 3DS that look like it's more for kids & you know there will be Mario & Pokemon games that they will love.
but then again show parents a Pixar movie at 960 x 544 on that 5" OLED & mario might get the boot.
J-Rzez said:Sure, 3D vs raw-power is an interesting battle, but especially how things in NA and EU goes, if one of them is playing CoD to near console quality, it's going to make a massive impact. Sony has/had a window here: If they can throw money at activision, and make CoD MW3 cross-playable online with PS3 users, it's going to get a ridiculous boost, in conjunction with games like Uncharted, LBP, Wipeout, and Ruin. Unfortunately, CoD is that powerful I think.
It's all about the games this time, like last time proved.
We've had this discussion time and again, but yeah, CoD as a killer app strikes me as a really dubious argument.Spike said:I have a hard time believing this. I think that most of these players would rather be playing on their PS3/Xbox than a smaller screen handheld, no matter the quality of the screen or graphics or how close to a console experience they can get to.
Only time will tell.
majortom1981 said:It depends on the audience. The 3ds will appeal more to the casual audience. The same as what the wii and the ds did.
Now hardcore the vita might win. Keep in mind catering to the casual crowd COULD get the 3ds more sales.
You cant just vs the two .
Sansana said:My problem with PSP and probably with PSVITA was that I wished I've played psp games not on psp but on ps3 instead. Those action packed games like Crisis Core, MGS: PW, GOW, GTA or Tekken (and apart from CC they actually ended up on PS3) just scream HD. And the same goes for the Uncharted: Golden Abyss, can't really see point in playing the probably best graphically-wise PS3 brand on a tiny screen in sd. But that's just me.
3DS on the other hand is going to have games specifically designed as handheld games, like Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, orPokemon
I think both companies want their services on as many platforms as possible, so even without an announcement I'd say it's pretty much a given.Palmer_v1 said:Has there been any mention on whether or not Netflix and/or Hulu Plus will be available on the Vita?
But 3DS also has the casual crowd with a touchscreen and 3D movies on the go, along with the typical "3D brain training" puzzle games.onQ123 said:but Vita will have the Casual crowd too because of the Touch Screen & PlayStation Suite games , add in the nice screen for watching movies on the go and you have a system that can sell to people that are not hardcore gamers
Sansana said:My problem with PSP and probably with PSVITA was that I wished I've played psp games not on psp but on ps3 instead. Those action packed games like Crisis Core, MGS: PW, GOW, GTA or Tekken (and apart from CC they actually ended up on PS3) just scream HD. And the same goes for the Uncharted: Golden Abyss, can't really see point in playing the probably best graphically-wise PS3 brand on a tiny screen in sd. But that's just me.
3DS on the other hand is going to have games specifically designed as handheld games, like Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, orPokemon
something you are doing which i just want to point out, is you're comparing a reality with promise. promise usually trumps over reality.KAL2006 said:For me personaly Vita has ticked every box
Region Free
$250
$40 games
Dual analogs
5" OLED, High res
Unique controls
Online that looks to be even better than PS3 (LiveArea, Cross chat)
Cross platform play with PS3
Nextgen games like Uncharted and SFxT
Unique games like Sound Shapes
Pick up and play games like LittleBigPlanet, Hotshots, Super Stardust and etc.
3DS just all around disappointed for me
Shitty launch line up
$250 not worth it
Shitty web browser
not region free
Shitty online (WTF, you still need friends codes)
No Virtual console transfers from Wii
Main screen not even touch
Main screen is still too small for me (I prefer bigger, would have benefited the 3D)
Screen resolution is not that high
No dual analogs (why didn't they know the complaints from original PSP)
No videoplayer (can't watch your own video files)
Of course though it all comes down to the games, 3DS is looking to have an incredible software for the rest of this year, even though it had a bad start, Vita seems to have a solid launch line up. I will probably buy Vita day 1, and get 3DS when the revision comes out.
Sansana said:My problem with PSP and probably with PSVITA was that I wished I've played psp games not on psp but on ps3 instead. Those action packed games like Crisis Core, MGS: PW, GOW, GTA or Tekken (and apart from CC they actually ended up on PS3) just scream HD. And the same goes for the Uncharted: Golden Abyss, can't really see point in playing the probably best graphically-wise PS3 brand on a tiny screen in sd. But that's just me.
3DS on the other hand is going to have games specifically designed as handheld games, like Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, orPokemon
Anth0ny said:Vita is released, Nintendo drops price on 3DS, Vita sells like shit.
/crazyprediction
plagiarize said:something you are doing which i just want to point out, is you're comparing a reality with promise. promise usually trumps over reality.
for example. the 3DS has a web browser right now. it is, i would say, at least as good as the PSP web browser. unless i missed it, we have no details on the PSV web browser. yes, it will probably be better, but it remains a complete question mark.
similarly we don't, to my knowledge, know what the launch line up is going to be for the PSV. compare what everyone imagined the launch line up of the 3DS with what it actually turned out being for an example of what i mean.
i'm not saying that any one favouring the PSV over the 3DS is going to turn out to have been mistaken, because obviously we know everything about the 3DS and we have a good idea of what the PSV is going to offer, but i remember this time in the 3DSs lifespan. i remember it for the PS3. i remember it for the PSP.
in some way, the PSV won't be as good as you expect. those question marks aren't all going to come out as well as we hope.
it'll still be an incredible handheld mind (as i thought the PSP was despite all its eventual hardware shortcomings)... but one is real, and one is still partly obscured, and we should remember that those parts we can't see may not compare as favourably to the same parts of the competition.
just a word of caution basically
tech wise, i'm sure the PSV is going to beat the pants off the 3DS, lack of 3D screen aside... and since lots of people evidentally don't give two shits about 3D, for them there isn't remotely going to be any competition.
Spike said:Actually, I feel that both systems are going to underperform this time around.
Who are they selling to? Kids? They are priced out of that market right now, and besides we all know that kids want to be cool, so they are going to want iPads and iPhones and that stuff. Or are they targeting adults/teens? Again, these people are going to be using their iPhones and iPads to do most of their gaming on the go.
Both companies are going to have a hard time selling the numbers they did with the previous generation.
I think that Nintendo realizes this too, but doesn't want to admit it. Why else have the next controller basically function like a handheld system that you use in your own home.
FoneBone said:I think both companies want their services on as many platforms as possible, so even without an announcement I'd say it's pretty much a given.
BlazingDarkness said:I'd rather have stuff like this than Mario rehash #235893412, 3D or not.
Spike said:3DS
Paper Mario
Super Mario
Luigi's Mansion 2
Mario Kart
Kid Icarus Uprising
PS Vita
Uncharted
So, I have my 5 games for the 3DS already lined up, so that is a definite purchase now.
Raine said:I can understand people saying they wanted to play PSP games like Peace Walker, GOW, Crisis Core on PS3. I did too...but only because of the horrible control input. As better as the controls were for Peace Walker than they were for Portable Ops, I still would prefer dual analog. With the Vita, I have that and much more (front & back touch control). I think if developers use the features right, we won't have much of this "I'd rather play it on PS3" line of thinking because it will offer a much more unique experience. I think Little Big Planet will be even better on the Vita than on the PS3 because of the innovation it allows.
I have a 3DS, and I bought it knowing games like Pokemon and Paper Mario would come out on it sooner or later. But that's it. Outside of a few first party games, I haven't been excited for anything. The third party games so far either suck, or are old ports for the most part. I'm still not wowed by the 3D effect either. I'm not gonna say I regret buying it, but I'm underwhelmed with the lack of support for it so far.
If I can download my current downladable PSP/PS1 games on Vita, I will day one buy it. I will probably get a 3DS when Paper Mario comes out or a good RPG, but right now, there aren't any games I want.