SwiftDeath
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This is pretty ridiculous
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Rumor: Grand Theft Auto V will use additional DRM on PC (Steam + Denuvo)
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scoobidoo112
Member
If I'm paying for your product I'm not dealing with bullshit DRM.
Denuvo = No Sale
Denuvo = No Sale
Krappadizzle
Member
Oh the humanity of missing out on a few cosmetic items and a little bit of money. Hopefully 60fps will make up for it.
GTAV has its fair share of cheaters, so they need something to help protect people online. Too bad it couldn't have just been Steam.
Yeah, Lords of the Fallen has lasted a week and a half now, FIFA 15 since the last week of September. That said, part of it might be lack of motivation since LotF is somewhat niche and FIFA's main audience is on consoles.
CambriaRising
Member
You can bet that after this news they will kick it into high gear.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
So.... you don't know what DRM is?
Broder Salsa
Banned
It's not as if it's a second log in or anything like that as far as I know, it isn't with fifa at least. So you won't have to deal with it and it will be completely invisible to you.
Denuvo might wind up interfering, it's supposedly been a source of bugs and performance problems in Lords of the Fallen.
L4DANathan
Member
Man, I am on edge about this now. Not sure if it's enough to prevent me from buying it, but I'm getting damn cautious, and it certainly won't be close to day one until I see what problems there are.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Supposedly. I haven't really looked into it, but I saw some article the other day alleging it does. Shit like this has hurt performance before. Back when Witcher 2 launched the Steam retail versions ran significantly worse than the GOG (DRM free) version. Luckily CD Projekt patched out the DRM for everyone once it was known.
chrominance
Member
Not that I was planning to get it on release anyways, but hype = dead. What is this, 2005?
I doubt that. I guarantee they're doing all they can on these new forms of DRM. It's probably fun to them to see if they can crack something they're not supposed to.
Freeman
Banned
There had to be a catch, R* seems to hate PC. Why make PC gamers wait then? There will be no way to pirate the game, so what is the excuse?
See you when this game gets a patch to remove this shit once its hacked (assuming it doesn't take longer to fix the issues caused by a possibly bad port) by that time it will probably have a much better price on steam anyway. No lack of games for 2015.
See you when this game gets a patch to remove this shit once its hacked (assuming it doesn't take longer to fix the issues caused by a possibly bad port) by that time it will probably have a much better price on steam anyway. No lack of games for 2015.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
this needs to be in more games before people start jumping the gun on hit hurting real buyers, two games are using this so far. lords of the fallens has performance issue and stuff but thats down to developer issues and bugs not drm.
i find it a bit sad how many people here are saying practically they arent buying gta on pc now because its trying to stop hackers (which so far neither both games have been cracked).
i find it a bit sad how many people here are saying practically they arent buying gta on pc now because its trying to stop hackers (which so far neither both games have been cracked).
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I don't think a lot of people who are getting $60 games for free are sitting around thinking I'll buy these later. There might be some but a lot are just enjoying getting games for free.
So throwing DRM in there is only a hindrance to legit buyers
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Can't say I've seen any problems with it in FIFA 15 fwiw.
CambriaRising
Member
Cause when I think good DRM, I think SecuROM.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2275464
"Too much"
If it suffers at all then this DRM is trash.
Maintenance
Member
Went from a "waiting for heists to buy" to "nope, I'm out".
ElRenoRaven
Member
Well. This made my choice easier. I'll wait till Ps4 or xbone version is cheap and won't be touching the PC version with a 10 foot pole.
Denuvo does jackshit to prevent cheaters. Denuvo has no anti-cheat system at all.
I'm sure people have been trying, it's just not an urgent matter yet. I mean, the SC2 beta lead people to build a pirate version of Blizzard's authentication servers to crack it on PC, so there's precedent for people going to extraordinary lengths when a game is in sufficient demand.
Completely agree with you. However, I have no idea if this is actually a good or bad solution. I don't even know how the Steamworks DRM solution works, but I like it since it doesn't seem to effect me playing a game, it's performance or using it offline.
IF this solution can offer the same issue free use and stability, I won't care. However, it is rare that a DRM solution has been actually good news for the paying customer, so I am sceptical
Broder Salsa
Banned
As someone who hacks fifa to get cool red hair and afros online, this is true
I mean Fifa not being cracked yet is one thing. But this is GTAV. I'm fairly certain there will be massive interest in cracking it, more so than Fifa
Reminds me of when The Witcher 2 launched with SecuRom. Lots of people complaining about horrible performance, meanwhile the smart people who got it on GoG were all "What are you talking about?". The culprit was of course SecuRom, which CDProjekt promptly patched out.
Reminds me of when The Witcher 2 launched with SecuRom. Lots of people complaining about horrible performance, meanwhile the smart people who got it on GoG were all "What are you talking about?". The culprit was of course SecuRom, which CDProjekt promptly patched out.
Moral Panic
Member
DRM stopping pirates from downloading the game doesn't affect pirates???
And your answer is that instead of going for an unobtrusive, unbroken DRM scheme they should instead make it always online??
WTF
I think many of us already had/have doubts on the port performance, and now if the DRM just causes sacrificed optimization, it could be a really bad situation for the game. I was really wanting to buy for the 2nd time, something I have never considered in my life before.
Ill wait till after release before making my decision now.
Ill wait till after release before making my decision now.
Baha, that's rad!
CambriaRising
Member
As far as I know the Steamworks drm just runs a quick check to see if you are signed into Steam under the licence holder's username. Then boom, game.
scoobidoo112
Member
Every piece of DRM software has fucked with my operating systems in some way, every damn one of them, so I ain't taking no chances anymore with that crap. DRM is nothing but a hassle that rewards pirates for pirating because they get to crack the protection and not deal with it.
Anti-piracy is a waste of time and money and only hinders paying customers. Offering more value, better experiences and more convenience is the better way to go. Steam, Netflix and the likes are getting rid of piracy way faster than any kind of DRM ever has.
The Janitor
Member
Of course, but this is Rockstar, they don't care if the DRM screws up the game.
I've had 2 Rockstar games not work because of their DRM
I hope so too, and i hope rockstar is ready for all the complains because as soon there is a perf/stability problem this thing will be blamed immediately.
d00d3n
Member
Good to know about this new drm. I was thinking of buying lords of the fallen at full price to support the developer, but I guess that won't happen after all.
It boggles my mind that game companies are still putting so much effort into drm. The kids who pirate everything can't afford games anyway. Why spend so much useless energy to prevent them from playing your games just because they didn't pay? Let them have their glitchy, inconvenient, multiplayer less fun for free, and recruit them as paying customers when they can actually pay for games. If they were playing and enjoying your games for free, they may be lining up as customers.
It boggles my mind that game companies are still putting so much effort into drm. The kids who pirate everything can't afford games anyway. Why spend so much useless energy to prevent them from playing your games just because they didn't pay? Let them have their glitchy, inconvenient, multiplayer less fun for free, and recruit them as paying customers when they can actually pay for games. If they were playing and enjoying your games for free, they may be lining up as customers.
there's 2 titles that use denuvo, let's not call it uncrackable, there will obviously be more interest for gta v to be cracked than lords of the fallen or fifa
Sentenza
Member
How does it works exactly?
Is this another one of these shitty DRMs installing stealth drivers on your system that are essentially annoying and potentially harmful malware, like Securom, TAGES and Starforce?
But now incidentally I'm far less enthusiast at the idea of purchasing it.
Well done Rockstar, I guess?
Is this another one of these shitty DRMs installing stealth drivers on your system that are essentially annoying and potentially harmful malware, like Securom, TAGES and Starforce?
I... wasn't planning to?
But now incidentally I'm far less enthusiast at the idea of purchasing it.
Well done Rockstar, I guess?
Steam and Netflix both use drm though