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Rumor: Grand Theft Auto V will use additional DRM on PC (Steam + Denuvo)
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jim-jam bongs
Member
Pirates bypass DRM, it doesn't affect them so much as temporarily inconvenience them.
jellies_two
Member
good on rockstar, this idea that pc gaming can never stop pirates because of some unwritten universal law has to die. If it lasts a month uncracked thats intolerable for the gotta have it now, for free, kids.
if they can block unlicensed copies they might also use the same techniques to make an impact on wall hacks, aim bots, and all the shenanigans that make online play against kids become a meta game of exploit vs expoit that isnt the game you think you bought, and tends to wreck things for everyone.
hacked high scores, dup tricks, modified saves files, downloadable online assist mods - they all suck the life out of games with a significant online component.
if they can block unlicensed copies they might also use the same techniques to make an impact on wall hacks, aim bots, and all the shenanigans that make online play against kids become a meta game of exploit vs expoit that isnt the game you think you bought, and tends to wreck things for everyone.
hacked high scores, dup tricks, modified saves files, downloadable online assist mods - they all suck the life out of games with a significant online component.
adamantypants
Member
I'm often tempted to pirate games I already own legally just so I don't have to deal with the bullshit sometimes.
Meanwhile at CD Projekt...
Meanwhile at CD Projekt...
prag16
Banned
Yes. Nevertheless, I'm sure this new system will be hacked in no time regardless.
Would that really be pirating at that point? Disabling the DRM but keeping the game you paid for solely for your personal use doesn't sound like piracy to me.
On one hand, I kinda hope this is cracked just as an F U to the people who decided to include extra DRM.
On the other, I think people are completely overreacting by saying they won't buy it without even seeing it in action, since we really don't know anything about how it'll be implemented.
On the other, I think people are completely overreacting by saying they won't buy it without even seeing it in action, since we really don't know anything about how it'll be implemented.
Eh, nothing wrong with installing cracked exe files on games you've purchased if it helps you run them. I bought Witcher 2 from Direct2Drive which had the framerate crippling SecuROM DRM, I then happily downloaded the DRM free GoG executable so I could play the game with decent framerates.
Valderrama lover?
jim-jam bongs
Member
I've cracked plenty of games I own. Before Steam I used to do it habitually just so I didn't need to have the disk in to play something.
MillionStabs
Banned
Rockstar already made like a billion monies with GTA5 on last gen consoles. With the PS4, X1, and PC version coming, why are they so overboard with DRM on the PC version?
it's unobtrusive and they also provide a sense of extreme convenience (steam with its large sales, netflix with its selection for $8 a month)
drm on top of what is already drm is not convenience, especially if it affects performance like some people claim it does with lords of the fallen
pirates don't give a fuck about drm, the only thing drm affects is legitimate users, there's a reason why nobody uses securom or another example is ubisoft ditched their online only drm because they found out it didn't deter piracy at all
Friend of Sonic
Member
Didn't they make a kajillion dollars off of GTA V? Why they gotta take my first anticipated PC game of 2015 and do this to it?
Truly the best thing about digital gaming.
BloodMoney
Banned
Begin countdown to Denuvo hack.
A quick check shows cracked copies of both games mentioned by OP. It doesn't slow anyone down.
Moral Panic
Member
The whole point is that this DRM is currently unbroken. It's like saying we shouldn't use TLS or other online security because they might get hacked in the future.
Nope.
As long as it doesn't interfere with legitimately purchased copies of the game I see no problems at all. If it does, then yeah it's bullshit. GTAV would undoubtedly be one of the most pirated games ever otherwise.
Somehow I think the number of people who would have pirated it but fold and end up paying for it will be higher than the people who decide to skip the game based on principle. I'm sure Rockstar believes the same.
A slower check shows that they actually aren't cracked yet, tons of fake torrents out there
The drm impacting performance in lotf is just speculation.
moltonasty
Member
"Piracy is a service problem" -Gabe "Gaben" Newell
The Cowboy
Member
For now, this isn't an unbroken DRM that has lasted ages and loads of games - its likely unbroken because its new and so far only 2 games use it. Give it time, once a big/hugely PC popular game comes along using it i wouldn't be surprised if its cracked shortly after (and GTA V is the next big/PC popular game to use it).
it depends if the news gets out that it's brought to us by the brilliant minds that brought us securom
Moral Panic
Member
There is none. Lords of the fallen, one of the games with this new DRM, runs better on PC than PS4.
Denuvo was built by the remainders of the old Sony DADC team, the guys who made SecuROM.
They even advertise it on their site. "best-of-breed copy protection systems like SecuROM"
Yeah, I wouldn't trust this at all. Rumors of performance issues in other games using it is enough.
They even advertise it on their site. "best-of-breed copy protection systems like SecuROM"
Yeah, I wouldn't trust this at all. Rumors of performance issues in other games using it is enough.
jim-jam bongs
Member
It's only used by two games so far, I'm guessing that it will be cracked soon enough. And my main objection is that it allegedly causes problems with crashing and performance for legitimate owners of the games, DRM shouldn't hurt people who buy the product.
Freeman
Banned
If this shit works for Fifa 15, how about getting Madden on PC EA?
The history of Sony and piracy is so sad it's funny. They always end up shooting themselves in the foot because of it and how much they worry about it.
The history of Sony and piracy is so sad it's funny. They always end up shooting themselves in the foot because of it and how much they worry about it.
legacyzero
Banned
I can just hear the sounds of thousands upon thousands of crackers rushing to purchase Fifa or Lords of the Fallen just to get cracking (hah!) on the DRM in time for GTAV.
Well I think that if this DRM is causing slowdowns and crashes like people claim then I won't be touching GTA5 on the PC for a long time if ever.
Though I see the DRM cycle is still strong. New DRM comes out, the first games that use it aren't cracked in a while if ever, people claim this new DRM is uncrackable piracy is dead, DRM gets cracked, all new games that use it are then cracked in a few days, new DRM comes out, and cycle repeats.
Though I see the DRM cycle is still strong. New DRM comes out, the first games that use it aren't cracked in a while if ever, people claim this new DRM is uncrackable piracy is dead, DRM gets cracked, all new games that use it are then cracked in a few days, new DRM comes out, and cycle repeats.
Good lord. I was interested at double-dipping on V at launch, but now I think I'm gonna wait and see how this all shakes out. I'm totally cool with Rockstar Social Club, and I understand how piracy isn't ok for business, but there has to be a better way than this.
I have a slim hope that Rockstar reconsider before launch, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
I have a slim hope that Rockstar reconsider before launch, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Whoa! Have there been any issues where legitimate customers got screwed? If not, then I'm impressed.
Well, the denuvo site itself says the it was broken after 46 days in fifa14.
Do we have any sales data for Fifa 13, 14 and 15 on PC? After all games make most of their sales on first couple of weeks. Fifa 14 must have sold way more than 13 and 15 must be even higher than that if general publisher logic was correct (every day one torrent is a lost sale at 60$). I bet that EA (and Activision before that with 6 months uncracked AC2 before that) would have announced such a success.
There isn't any. Lords of the Fallen devs introduced some patches to fix most performance bugs and also added the abiity to disable some further high-end settings that were previously hidden.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm trying to conjure up the feeling of caring about this
And honestly, I can't
And honestly, I can't
RazorbackDB
Member
If they haven't hacked it yet GTA V will make them hack it.
Spacejaws
Member
I didn't think piracy would be their first concern.
I thought it would be persuading us to buy a game that sold so well, if you gathered all the copies in the wild together and elected one as their leader they could declare themselves a small to medium sized nation.
I made myself scared.
I thought it would be persuading us to buy a game that sold so well, if you gathered all the copies in the wild together and elected one as their leader they could declare themselves a small to medium sized nation.
I made myself scared.
Moral Panic
Member
It's certainly likely that this DRM scheme will be broken in the future the same way that it is likely that every cryptographic scheme we currently use can be broken. Heartbleed, Poodle SSL attack, Shellshock all these attacks showing that our internet security is severely flawed. But the answer is clearly not to just throw our hands up and say "Well we can't stop every hack so we should just send everything in cleartext". It's inane to suggest that it is wrong for an AAA developer to protect their day 1 sales with an unobtrusive, hard to break DRM scheme.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
DRM doesn't exist for pirates, because pirate copies inherently have no DRM.
An online only mode that requires authentication has no problems for anyone being online only DRM, because it can only be played online.
Nobody complains that WoW, or KOTOR, or LoL, or DOTA2, or Hearthstone, or TF2 have online only DRM.