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Nobody loses, when everybody plays, we all win.How so? I love my Xbox Series X. The more games the better, what am I losing out on in this scenario?
Nobody loses, when everybody plays, we all win.How so? I love my Xbox Series X. The more games the better, what am I losing out on in this scenario?
I love being called a Sony shill. Makes my day, especially from one of the biggest zealots on this site who pretends to be neutral.There is absolutely 0 communication from ms that this is happening yet you sony shills keep mentioning it
With everyday that passes here, I think there's more Sony plants coming out of the wood work. Its like the message is to constantly spread fud that Microsoft are going full third party and dropping consoles yet there has been 0 communication to hints at the latter....or even full third party at all.
Shouldn't it just be people saying "cool, xbox games might come to playstation and switch" why does it mean hardware is ending?
What will the Sony industry line be from these shills or fanboys or whatever they are when Microsoft announce new hardware in the coming couple of years?
OK so whats the USP if Microsoft gaming's output is on Sony and Nintendo devices?There is absolutely 0 communication from ms that this is happening yet you sony shills keep mentioning it
With everyday that passes here, I think there's more Sony plants coming out of the wood work. Its like the message is to constantly spread fud that Microsoft are going full third party and dropping consoles yet there has been 0 communication to hints at the latter....or even full third party at all.
Shouldn't it just be people saying "cool, xbox games might come to playstation and switch" why does it mean hardware is ending?
What will the Sony industry line be from these shills or fanboys or whatever they are when Microsoft announce new hardware in the coming couple of years?
Xbox would quickly become the worst proposition in terms of content. If MS goes mostly third party it will lead to a domino effect that renders your console irrelevant in the greater marketplace. Default third party exclusives for Xbox competitors would be the norm and not even have to be bribed by Sony.How so? I love my Xbox Series X. The more games the better, what am I losing out on in this scenario?
I love being called a Sony shill. Makes my day, especially from one of the biggest zealots on this site who pretends to be neutral.
Anyway, I get it, you are scared to death of your favorite company dropping hardware. Fortunately, everyone paying attention sees the writing on the wall and it's simply a matter of time. Xbox, as a brand, will remain, but it's not at all outlandish to see that the hardware ceasing to exist sooner rather than later.
Really, where's all that bullshit kumbaya that you've been spouting recently ("it'll be good for PlayStation/Switch players to experience Xbox games, bla, bla, bla")? Why does that evaporate when the mention of Xbox dropping hardware comes up?
yes led by noted Sony shills like Jez Corden putting out articles
wait a minute…
OK so whats the USP if Microsoft gaming's output is on Sony and Nintendo devices?
Old tech controller with a thumbstick in the wrong place?
The knowledge that Microsoft is gifting you $200 of your consoles actual cost?
You like a toxic fanbase with several paid high profile idiots on twitter and YouTube?
Your a smart guy, don't play dumb.
MS is either pulling out of hardware or moving out of the traditional console space.
My guess high end (high cost) hybrid pc with console mode that boots into a completely different mode so there's limited windows bloat running in the background. Or maybe a cheap as chips xcloud device.
Both of these would not compete in the console price range for the mass market, but would add value to folks.
Why are you going through the five stages of grief but in reverse?
How so? I love my Xbox Series X. The more games the better, what am I losing out on in this scenario?
The less and less your console sales the less third party support you will get it's that simple. BG3 was ready to skip Xbox if necessary. Think about that for a second. The GOTY was ready to skip your ecosystem over a policy it had in place and the devs would have been easily able to do it simply because your ecosystem doesn't drive enough software sales to warrant them jumping through the necessary hoops.
If they go third party or even partially third party I expect to see console sales drop even more. Devs already hate the Series S this is well known. If sales drop enough devs might not even see the point and will stick to PC\PS. Hell they might even start doing PC\PS first than Xbox at a later date.
Nah didn't you hear. Nokia didn't make that one phone that one timeI will praise all of "innovations" tho.
?? That's not even close. The possibility of not launching in XSeries was never on the table because both parties always continued working to find a solution.The less and less your console sales the less third party support you will get it's that simple. BG3 was ready to skip Xbox if necessary. Think about that for a second. The GOTY was ready to skip your ecosystem over a policy it had in place and the devs would have been easily able to do it simply because your ecosystem doesn't drive enough software sales to warrant them jumping through the necessary hoops.
If they go third party or even partially third party I expect to see console sales drop even more. Devs already hate the Series S this is well known. If sales drop enough devs might not even see the point and will stick to PC\PS. Hell they might even start doing PC\PS first than Xbox at a later date.
Nah didn't you hear. Nokia didn't make that one phone that one time
nah apple doesn't exist. Only Nokia makes Smart phones, didn't you hear, they changed the world with the phone they never released... some guy on the internet said soI actually heared that was making the phone for nokia but nokia thought it wasn't worth it. They would be rich if they would release the phone innovated.
Well we heard rumors from insiders of MS launching next gen early, which seems very peculiar
Hardware won’t end, but probably scaled back dramatically and sold at a profit to a more niche crowd
We have Nadella and MS shills coming out saying directly that MS is going third party
This isn’t something being planted by Sony shill sources
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doesn't Series X already cost that much to make. or at least it did, they definitely didn't go all out on it.This is exactly what I want and what I hope in this scenario. Release hardware that's sold at a profit and go all out on it. If I could buy a 799 xbox I'd be over the moon. I'm sure quite a few million other people would do the same.
nah apple doesn't exist. Only Nokia makes Smart phones, didn't you hear, they changed the world with the phone they never released... some guy on the internet said so
I love being called a Sony shill. Makes my day, especially from one of the biggest zealots on this site who pretends to be neutral.
Anyway, I get it, you are scared to death of your favorite company dropping hardware. Fortunately, everyone paying attention sees the writing on the wall and it's simply a matter of time. Xbox, as a brand, will remain, but it's not at all outlandish to see the hardware ceasing to exist sooner rather than later.
Really, where's all that bullshit kumbaya that you've been spouting recently ("it'll be good for PlayStation/Switch players to experience Xbox games, bla, bla, bla")? Why does that evaporate when the mention of Xbox dropping hardware comes up?
OK so whats the USP if Microsoft gaming's output is on Sony and Nintendo devices?
Old tech controller with a thumbstick in the wrong place?
The knowledge that Microsoft is gifting you $200 of your consoles actual cost?
You like a toxic fanbase with several paid high profile idiots on twitter and YouTube?
Your a smart guy, don't play dumb.
MS is either pulling out of hardware or moving out of the traditional console space.
My guess high end (high cost) hybrid pc with console mode that boots into a completely different mode so there's limited windows bloat running in the background. Or maybe a cheap as chips xcloud device.
Both of these would not compete in the console price range for the mass market, but would add value to folks.
I am 100 percent on board with Microsoft games being on every platform, I think it's an amazing opportunity for everyone.
also, I'm not scared to death that they drop console, I just don't want them to stop releasing Hardware or some form of xbox os nuc PC system that I can put in my bedroom.
Itsnpeople like you that are equating games coming out on other platforms as the death of their hardware business but there has been absoluteoy zero communication from microsoft or the ms shills that this is a possibility. Itsnpeople like yourself that are making these wild fantasy wet dreams up.
Thumstick is in the right place. There's only one manufacturer that doesn't use offset sticks....
I do not like a toxic fanbase, I see toxic fans on both Sony and MS side and I refuse to go on twitter or watch any bullshit youtubers.
The second half of your post I am complete agreement of and hope that it is ultimately microsofts approach to hardware and xbox.
Oh yeah, my wild fantasy. You are GAF’s projector. This bothers you much more than any garbage fantasy your green mind conjures up about any of us.I am 100 percent on board with Microsoft games being on every platform, I think it's an amazing opportunity for everyone.
also, I'm not scared to death that they drop console, I just don't want them to stop releasing Hardware or some form of xbox os nuc PC system that I can put in my bedroom.
Itsnpeople like you that are equating games coming out on other platforms as the death of their hardware business but there has been absoluteoy zero communication from microsoft or the ms shills that this is a possibility. Itsnpeople like yourself that are making these wild fantasy wet dreams up.
Thumstick is in the right place. There's only one manufacturer that doesn't use offset sticks....
I do not like a toxic fanbase, I see toxic fans on both Sony and MS side and I refuse to go on twitter or watch any bullshit youtubers.
The second half of your post I am complete agreement of and hope that it is ultimately microsofts approach to hardware and xbox.
To add, There is no way series x costs 799 to manufacture.
Yeah, whatever the price is if they did that, I don't expect it to be sold at a loss.doesn't Series X already cost that much to make. or at least it did, they definitely didn't go all out on it.
Realistically, you'll be looking at a $1000 device. MS don't sub other hardware divisions, and in many situations massively overcharge, so I think you need to get real.
It released at 499 (I googled it cannot remember), and it's documented here that every Series X console was (maybe still is with all the discounts) sold at a $200 loss.To add, There is no way series x costs 799 to manufacture.
Hahaha, your wild I think you have a gross error in your thoughts of me.Oh yeah, my wild fantasy. You are GAF’s projector. This bothers you much more than any garbage fantasy your green mind conjures up about any of us.
Stay on topic. It’s not about a preference. Their recent moves suggest this is where they’ll eventually be with hardware. If not, great, but like I said, it’s not outlandish given what’s happened thus far.
It released at 499 (I googled it cannot remember), and it's documented here that every Series X console was (maybe still is with all the discounts) sold at a $200 loss.
so thats 699, you ain't getting a massively more powerful devices for $100 more.
All PS and Xbox consoles sold nowadays are sold at a loss, and long gone are the days when the prices for the consoles diminish over time. That won't happen any longer, either. Xbox and PS subsidize console sales by releasing at an attractive price point, in the hopes they will gain a recurring revenue stream with each console purchased, and make their money back on the invesment through software, accessory, and subscription sales.It released at 499 (I googled it cannot remember), and it's documented here that every Series X console was (maybe still is with all the discounts) sold at a $200 loss.
so thats 699, you ain't getting a massively more powerful devices for $100 more.
Steam access on the next Xbox seems like it could be a good bonus.Quick thought: It's pretty interesting Satya said "Xbox and consoles", that's a pretty specific way of framing it. For a while I've said that MS don't really have to stop making Xbox "consoles", but that they would shift the business model away from the traditional console and could position Xbox systems more like PC NUC and laptop-style gaming devices. Basically do for them what the Surface division already does for their Windows devices.
In fact, they could basically just shift the Xbox hardware side under the Surface division, combine the R&D budgets, and make some innovative Xbox NUC & laptop/tablet style gaming-centric Windows compatible devices that can do well with modest volumes of production (5 million or so per year), run regular Windows (with an Xbox UI side disabling all unnecessary processes, and an optional Windows desktop/laptop/tablet UI environment), priced to make profit on each unit sold (similar to what they already do with the Surface devices, but with more reasonable MSRPs), and can get regular hardware refreshes every couple of years in terms of specs, form factors etc. The PC NUCs could even allow for some upgradability of RAM, storage, and possibly low-profile GPUs and PSUs.
And if that opened them up to basically being multiplatform in their releases, what exactly does Xbox lose other than that traditional console business model, which hasn't really worked out so well for MS as a platform holder anyway? Yes the Colteastwoods and Kid Smooves will have massive meltdowns, if they aren't goaded along to accept the change, but that's their problem plus they're more talk than standing behind threats to leave Xbox. A solid Xbox NUC equivalent in performance to a PS5 Pro or beyond, with upgradable system RAM and possibly low-profile GPU & CPU, optimized for Windows gaming through the familiar Xbox UI environment, can justify a reasonable premium for nice profit margins upfront when taking into account it can also run regular Windows in a typical desktop environment for those who want it.
Just keep some of that console R&D around, combine it with the strengths of the Surface division's hardware teams, keep the peripherals going (obviously), and I bet you almost all of these Xbox zealots and quite a few more suddenly buy into a hypothetical $799 or $899 (or even $999) Series Z Xbox NUC that still offers everything Xbox currently does, and can also offers Windows and modular upgradability on top of it. You'd finally be able to get VR support on an Xbox to boot .
It really does just make too much sense for them at this point, and you probably still get the odd Flight Sim or Halo Wars-like PC exclusive (which by default would also make it an "Xbox" exclusive) for those who are vehemently on about that type of stuff because they want to go back to 2007 and never leave. Plus it lets MS actually back up their talk and be about bringing their games to "all gamers": if the platform can run the game without too much effort in changes for optimization, there's little to no reason that platform shouldn't get the game Day 1. It'd mean no reason for Nintendo to not get the next HiFi Rush Day 1, or PlayStation to not get the next Gears of War or even Halo Day 1. If people still want to get those games on Xbox, maybe for example because Game Pass still isn't on Sony or Nintendo (tho in this scenario I'd expect MS could work out a deal with both Sony & Nintendo for Game Pass akin to what EA and Ubisoft already have for PlayStation), they can do so. But now it's an actual choice, no more "we're for more games for gamers everywhere but we're still gonna play the exclusivity game just because!" contradictions.
And ironically, this scenario could actually help make the platform MS have a lot of vested interests in, PC, be even more competitive against PlayStation and Nintendo. Because yes, they do compete with PC, even Jim Ryan has said so. And for PlayStation in particular I think it'd really force them to begin opening the platform up to a more "microcomputer" type of offering slate with various curated productivity software support (maybe even such developed by Sony's own software teams, like imagine a car modeling-centric AutoCAD software suite from Polyphony Digital for PlayStation systems) to better compete with the choice variety the PC platform provides, while leaning into PlayStation's software & hardware design strengths geared towards embedded systems. Could also push Sony to get more creative with their value proposition for the subscription service, too.
Ironically, Microsoft taking this path could make them MORE competitive with Sony (and Nintendo) than they currently are today with where Xbox Series is at, because that platform as-is, honestly is just a carbon knockoff of PlayStation in the eyes of most people. This direction could actually help to change that and more fully unify MS's gaming initiatives. I think folks like Moore's Law Is Dead (who also talked about Xbox taking a direction similar to this in a recent podcast) can see this bigger picture, and why it's actually quite lucrative for MS and Xbox.
Even some of the Xbox diehard zealots are starting to, very slowly, see the bigger picture, even if they're kicking and screaming along the way. Like I said, a lot of them are stuck in the console war mentality of the late '00s, when the 360 was dominating PlayStation in the US & UK. Where they felt Xbox as some spiritual successor to SEGA, finally got revenge for Saturn & Dreamcast against Sony (even if the vast majority of problems that hurt those consoles were SEGA's own mistakes and had little to do with Sony (or Nintendo, who benefitted from the problems of both as well but rarely gets any "blame"). These people wanted to see PlayStation go extinct during the 7th gen and they're still praying it can happen today, that's why they're so hostile towards the brand in gaming discourse.
Well, Sony have moved well past that and apparently now so too have Microsoft, which circles back to why I feel Satya phrased the response the way he did. He could have said "various console platforms such as, for example, Xbox", or "Xbox and other devices/systems", or even "Xbox and other consoles"...but he said "[which is] Xbox and consoles". If you think of Xbox as a console in the sense of the traditional business model, why isolate it from mention of other consoles as if it's not in fact seen as a console anymore in that way? The context and framing of words to me, might suggest that internally Microsoft are already moving steadfast in the direction of what I've been talking about in the above. They're just going to be very measured in how it's messaged, so many might not even realize what's happened until probably a year or two out from now.
Interesting times, indeed.
I hope it's soon we all deserve to suffer!!!!I can’t wait to see the inevitable Gaf meltdown thread when Starfield gets announced for ps5
As long as large enough numbers of people buy their hardware, they'll keep making it. But I think we all know the eventual endgame, even if it's 10-15 years from now, is consoles as we know them today don't exist, and everything is wireless/ streaming/ from some kind of mobile-like device that connects seamlessly to your TV.If we start hearing the ms shills saying Ms are dropping hardware, then like many say on here, they've obviously received their marching orders and trying to turn the tide. Until that happens, I'm not listening to any nutters saying otherwise.
I don’t disagree lolI hope it's soon we all deserve to suffer!!!!
They’re not dropping hardware, they’re going to double-down on GamePass with an extremely cheap cloud only console to try get more people through the door.If we start hearing the ms shills saying Ms are dropping hardware, then like many say on here, they've obviously received their marching orders and trying to turn the tide. Until that happens, I'm not listening to any nutters saying otherwise.
You sure about that?All PS and Xbox consoles sold nowadays are sold at a loss
Nah, I think I have you spot on. You turned something about Xbox hardware into something about me, because people can't think this without being a "shill". Then there's stupid stuff like "if your not banned by then". Banned for what, exactly? None on my record in the 10 years I've been here. You've been here for far less, but can the same be said there?Hahaha, your wild I think you have a gross error in your thoughts of me.
I dont want microsoft to stop making hardware. Im literally saying that but theres far many more things to worry about than if it really became reality.
you think hardware will discontinue, I don't think they will lose their hardware in that way. I think it could become something else, but I feel that they will still make something.
lets see what happens over the next couple of years.
if microsoft are getting out of hardware there is absolutely 0 chance they will release another box.
so will you be happy to admit you were wrong if another xbox piece of hardware is announced. If your not banned by then.
Will you make an avatar bet?
Yes. They’re both pretty upfront about it. And it’s been that way long enough now that it’s a known thing, it’s not like inside infoYou sure about that?
Nah, I think I have you spot on. You turned something about Xbox hardware into something about me, because people can't think this without being a "shill". Then there's stupid stuff like "if your not banned by then". Banned for what, exactly? None on my record in the 10 years I've been here. You've been here for far less, but can the same be said there?
In any case, no, I don't care for an avatar bet because I'm not that emotionally invested. The important thing to me is owning all relevant devices, which I do, so no consequences will be suffered either way. But, I, like many others here, can see them exiting hardware based on how things are going, while doubling down on software and still staying in the game (like SEGA).
Yes. They’re both pretty upfront about it. And it’s been that way long enough now that it’s a known thing, it’s not like inside info
Sony Says $499 PS5 No Longer Sells at a Loss
Sony has also managed to secure enough chips to hit its 22 million console sales target this fiscal year.www.pcmag.com
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Yep. It’s the only way for them to stay in the console business now and be competitive. Unless we want $800 MSRP devices instead of $500.That was proven wrong in their last financial where they stated that their were offsets due to losses on hardware.
you can connect a pc to a tv too though. 360 BC isn't actually BC, it downloads and requires internet to play, you wont be able to play "BC" when they take the servers down eventually.I bought the Series X to play Starfield on my tv lol. But I regret nothing. Having 360 BC is pretty fuckin sweet.
This would be like some alternate earth where Superman and Lex Luthor become best friends and rule earth together, making Brainiac the hero.
I agree with this possibility however, and I think it's highly likely MS does this or teams up with Legion Go/ROG Ally.
Regardless they need to fix their portable interfaces so that they are much, much better and less resource heavy than what they currently are now.
Serious question...if someone wanted into the console space why would they team up with Microsoft? I love my Xbox, but the last couple of generations of Xbox haven't gone in a way that should make someone want to choose Microsoft as the partner that will bring them success there.
If we're being serious I don't see anyone champing at the bit to jump into the console space. Console gaming is largely stagnant from an overall growth perspective. Console growth is slowing in relationship to PC and mobile. It would take more time and money than would be reasonable to capture market share that could sustain a new entrant.
Apple could have entered the console space by now if they really wanted to. They don't need Microsoft's help. But their focus on mobile is much more lucrative. Pretty sure they're just going to stay focused on being a leader in mobile gaming. I think the best case from them would be an improved Apple TV that plays mobile games as well as iPhone or iPad.