The problem with the image aren't really so much the artifacts (though they are distracting), it's that it's kind of silly to select a comparison where there are very little differences in order to illustrate differences.I can see some artifacts too. Doesn't mean there's basically no difference.
Then what are you doing here in a tech-thread?
Yea you will at the right settings but ok. A 680 is going to have every advantage over a ps4 in 7 years, as it does now. Its still going to out perform it. There is no console magic. A lot of ps4 gamers getting super defensive here, and making shit up.
The 680 will get no driver updates 7 years from now but it will still be playing games with better settings than the PS4 and XB1. Optimization is NOT a magical cure-all that allows an inferior machine to equal or surpass far superior hardware.I think optimizations will help though especially on consoles. 7 years from now, a 680 will be having less optimizations because by then all the new iGPU would have more priority.
Welp, there it is.The problem with the image aren't really so much the artifacts (though they are distracting), it's that it's kind of silly to select a comparison where there are very little differences in order to illustrate differences.
I mean, the differences between the versions are rather glaringly obvious if you look in the right places:
LOD
Textures & Shadow Resolution
Vegetation
Perhaps it would be interesting for DF to suggest what PC would be necessary to run at the equivalent of the best performing console version? So after working out what detail level each setting is at, benchmark different PCs at those settings and match the framerate. Eg set it to 1080p and all high settings and what GPU would get you a solid 30fps?
Exactly what's been going on in threads such as this one about "PC gaming is always superior & you don't need consoles at all," etc. This attitude is tiring, & it gets old.
The 680 will get no driver updates 7 years from now but it will still be playing games with better settings than the PS4 and XB1. Optimization is NOT a magical cure-all that allows an inferior machine to equal or surpass far superior hardware.
There should be faceoffs, XBONE vs PS4. PS3/360 vs Wii U. PC AMD 290 vs Titan.There should be no face-offs at all then. The Ps4 hardware holds a clear advantage over the XBOne that won't change, ever.
Maybe it does, but people don't come to a comparison thread to know if you have a capable pc that it will run a multiplat better than consoles, providing that you have the hardware to do so..I'm really glad Eurogamer do not agree with the poster claiming PC should not be included in Face Offs, it makes for entertaining threads. ;-)
so 900p on X1?
I don't really care about exclusives because 1. I won't be playing them and 2. there's no comparison to be made because, obviously, they're exclusives. Nonetheless, I WOULD say a 2006 PC could play games that look like GoW 3 and Halo 4 at similar quality settings - though GoW 3 in particular would be a difficult one due to the use of the Cell processor (which there is no equivalent for on any PC).No drivers means lots of errors and bugs that appear. That would mean lots of tinkering, patching and other stuff to do.
I don't think console users want to bother with that and that's okay. That's the nature of PC and Consoles.
I also think you're forgetting about exclusives because let's be honest. Most of the time only on exclusive games do you see the games get optimized to the best of its abilities on consoles. Otherwise the PC would pretty much win every time. Can you say that a PC built on 2006 can run games that look like God of War 3 and Halo 4?
Let's not downplay optimizations here because it's the only thing the consoles can do better than any PC.
Why is there a huge console vs PC war going on in here.
PC will pretty much always be able to outperform consoles. And thats fine. Consoles are designed to be easy entry machines that the user can just stick a disc in and go. This has both its benefits and limitations. PCs require a little more effort by the consumer but the payoffs can be higher resolutions, framerates, etc.
Both are awesome but different experiences.
Exactly. Call me when there's a dedicated PC gaming box that allows me to upgrade my hardware to however I want it in order to play future games (especially in decent settings).
The problem with the image aren't really so much the artifacts (though they are distracting), it's that it's kind of silly to select a comparison where there are very little differences in order to illustrate differences.
I mean, the differences between the versions are rather glaringly obvious if you look in the right places:
LOD
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i think its 900p up scaled to 1080 right?!?
The native resolution only matters for the image quality of the output.i think its 900p up scaled to 1080 right?!?
so you're comparing the 680 gpu (read: a single component of a pc) which sold for 400 last year vs a whole console?
sure, whatever you say.
Maybe it does, but people don't come to a comparison thread to know if you have a capable pc that it will run a multiplat better than consoles, providing that you have the hardware to do so..
PS4 gains a mild advantage with a 1920x1280 framebuffer downsampled to 1080p, providing an extremely light extra layer of anti-aliasing (compared to native 1080p on the Xbox One and PC)
Pretty big advantages for the Ps4 version.
1080p, better shadows and more foliage compared to the XB1 version.
Every pc beat console in the raw power. But if you think to build a rig who can handle all the games with the same configuration of the console at only 399, it's not that easy. Not all games are well optimized like Mordor, on pc.
I'm confused as to why you wouldn't be able to do 60fps? Are there games where you can't? I thought you basically always could make it 60fps and thus it was irrelevant in for conversations where framerste is just always up to the individual's hardware or willingness to compromise.DF have downplayed differences between consoles and PC many times in the past. Not surprising to see them trying to brush 60fps under the carpet since the PC is the only platform which can enable this.
I'll take that over AA. Motion blur will most likely be fixed since it's in the option menu.
Uhm..
I come here to see when devs for some reason cock up the PC version.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-lego-the-movie-next-gen-face-off
Is that a thing? 7 year old cards look as good as PS4 titles?Substitue it with any card you want that outperforms a PS4 now, because it's going to outperform it in 7 years.
Is that a thing? 7 year old cards look as good as PS4 titles?
I mean... have some perspective. Shit's really not that expensive in the grand scheme of things, and if you're scraping by so badly that you can't even save $1 a day, you have bigger priorities that you need to be dealing with.
That hypocritical reasoning made sense last gen since 360/PS3 were a lot closer in power, but considering just how stronger the PS4 is, we really shouldn't need these face-offs in the first place no? Now that reasoning is only used by PS4 owners who hate being in 2nd place.
I have the PC and PS4 versions - and the only REAL thing that lets the PC down, is no AA options. Super-sampling is an option, and I use it, because I have to - but it's certainly not ideal, especially when you play triple screens. I'm impressed by the PS4 version, looks and plays great - although I thought it was suppose to be 60fps, it plays smooth.
Looking at the XB1 pics makes me sad. I'm fortunate enough to have all consoles and a banging PC at my disposal, but I haven't touched my XB1 since launch really. It's either PC or PS4. Don't get me wrong, the PS4 is good, but not the step up we should have had after 7 years. With the way things are for XB1, I don't know why MS just don't dump it and move to PC.
The console versions remind me of red dead last gen. Apart from the Xbox One has a solid framerate
At least you get the satisfaction of knowing their hearts sank the second they realized big mean ol' PC is around.
Well yes, that goes without saying too. I just don't like it when people play the magical optimization card, as though that were a proven advantage with huge effects (pretty laughable with sub-30 FPS games becoming en vogue towards the end of the previous generation).lol.
Don't say that to me. Personally, I don't have the best PC around but I still do have my gaming laptop so I have no problems towards that.
You mention people changing phones every year but I've also seen PC users do that every time a new GPU gets released. It's just less pronounced and more of a niche really. As much as there are people still rocking the GT 8800, proportionately, there are still people who are using their old phones like my SGS3 since it can still do its job. Whereas people who always want the latest and greatest buy the new GPUs/Smart phones yearly.
I'm just saying that console gaming is something of a convenience that most casual gamers can exchange for instead of playing on PCs where they're usually afraid of having to do some tinkering. Most people think playing on PCs and building one is as complicated as rocket science but in reality it's not really that hard especially now where there are tutorials in the internet. There are people who want to skip the process of changing the settings of stuff in games like AA,AO,Resolution,Tessellation and other stuff in exchange of just putting the disc and playing the game in its best optimized state and they are the ones who chose to play on consoles.
The problem with the image aren't really so much the artifacts (though they are distracting), it's that it's kind of silly to select a comparison where there are very little differences in order to illustrate differences.
I mean, the differences between the versions are rather glaringly obvious if you look in the right places:
LOD
Textures & Shadow Resolution
Vegetation
I have the PC and PS4 versions - and the only REAL thing that lets the PC down, is no AA options. Super-sampling is an option, and I use it, because I have to - but it's certainly not ideal, especially when you play triple screens. I'm impressed by the PS4 version, looks and plays great - although I thought it was suppose to be 60fps, it plays smooth.
Looking at the XB1 pics makes me sad. I'm fortunate enough to have all consoles and a banging PC at my disposal, but I haven't touched my XB1 since launch really. It's either PC or PS4. Don't get me wrong, the PS4 is good, but not the step up we should have had after 7 years. With the way things are for XB1, I don't know why MS just don't dump it and move to PC.
Why are some people in this thread so mad at the PC gamers?
I dunno, I got called a console fanboy because I suggested a blu-ray drive shouldn't be ignored in a PC.
Like the one I have in my gaming PC...
This is totally OT, but really, why would a gaming PC need a blu-ray drive? I just built one, and it hasn't got any optical disc drive at all.I dunno, I got called a console fanboy because I suggested a blu-ray drive shouldn't be ignored in a PC.
Like the one I have in my gaming PC...
I dunno, I got called a console fanboy because I suggested a blu-ray drive shouldn't be ignored in a PC.
Like the one I have in my gaming PC...
This is totally OT, but really, why would a gaming PC need a blu-ray drive? I just built one, and it hasn't got any optical disc drive at all.
I would consider it a waste in a PC personally considering i already have two bluray playing devices in my house.
This is totally OT, but really, why would a gaming PC need a blu-ray drive? I just built one, and it hasn't got any optical disc drive at all.
Oh man, fanboy wars are hilarious these days. Keep them coming!
I think if you want to preserve HDD space then it's kindy ideal to use blu-ray cds. On consoles, you don't need a blu-ray drive too because you can also download games ala Steam. It is a convenience though especially if you have slow internet or data caps. This is especially true now that games are becoming bigger in size. Just a few years ago, I would call you crazy if you said a game takes 50gb of space.
At least you get the satisfaction of knowing their hearts sank the second they realized big mean ol' PC is around.