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Shovel Knight XB1 Retail Release Cancelled Due To "Publishing Policies"
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Ah ok. That's....dumb. Surely the two parties can comes to an agreement.
YianGaruga
Banned
Sony has a low minimum and they're flexible. Theres a company doing a 1500 copy Vita game print run right now
Yes, it's likely much lower.
From an interview with someone who started a company to do limited print runs of indie games on consoles: "I can't go into detail, but their minimum order quantities are incredibly reasonable compared to Microsoft and Nintendo."
Cow Goes Moo
Member
some people like physical media
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. MS's publishing policies are the worst.
The desire to own the game. The concept of ownership is pretty cool, and has existed for thousands of years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership
FranXico
Member
I'm pretty sure they reached the conclusion that it is "beyond their control" after talking to Microsoft.
There are people that like collecting physical.
Aaronrules380
Member
Plus they've been putting off this announcement for a while because they kept saying they needed more details, which was almost certainly due to an ongoing discussion with Microsoft
Finale Fireworker
Member
From what I understand, the requests they received for a Vita version immediately upon the retail announcement have been enormous and number and unwavering in quantity.
Tom Happ has said repeatedly that he gets more questions about the Vita version of Axiom Verge (still coming) than anything else.
Vita enthusiasts spend A LOT of money on their Vitas.
Nintendo seems more reasonable than Microsoft though, since the retail version for Wii U and 3DS is still happening.
It makes Xbox One owners feel first class apparently.
It also sold significantly more there, though.
SolidSnakex
Member
Yeah, FoneBone mentioned in the other thread that he's heard that a minimum run from MS is 50k. By comparison, a minimum run from Sony appears to be as low as 1,500.
Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily attribute Shovel Knight being retail on Nintendo's platforms to Nintendo's flexibility with print runs, but that it's success likely means that the demand is higher on those platforms.
Their minimums are (allegedly) lower than Microsoft's, yes. Not sure about the exact numbers.
dancrane212
Member
The quote in the OP is all that is said on the issue. There are no more details given other than that.
DarknessTear
Banned
SatoAilDarko
Member
As well an upcoming Amiibo.
they don't say explicitly, probably because they can't, although the above posts make sense
I don't have any insider info - that's just something I remember reading on this forum before. I'm sure somebody can correct me if I'm off base.
Brutuspedia
Member
Microsoft policies hurting Xbox owners, nothing new here
Indeed we do. I just imported the physical release of Resident Evil Revelations 2 (English, from Asia) a few days ago. Did Tom Happ actually mention the possibility of a physical release of Axiom Verge on Vita?
The12thGripper
Member
Besides it looking nice on the shelf, the 3DS and Wii U versions don't install onto your system
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo was more rigid than Sony, but had a lower baseline than Microsoft. Heck, I could see Nintendo maybe by default being lower than Sony, but it's easy to negotiate with Sony so it doesn't matter in many cases. More likely its just not much higher, versus Microsoft that may inentality be most geared towards big AAA stuff with smaller stuff being "meant for" digital. And they were bad about anything resembling a middle ground for most of last gen.
EDIT:Scratch that about Nintendo if the other thread is right. But I can see Nintendo just requiring, say, 10k. Enough for a retail chain rather than one store front.
EDIT:Scratch that about Nintendo if the other thread is right. But I can see Nintendo just requiring, say, 10k. Enough for a retail chain rather than one store front.
Finale Fireworker
Member
No, I'm pretty sure they're just trying to get the port done first. Apparently Sony backed out of making MonoGame tools and left Axiom Verge (and Bastion?) to die. AV has to be rewritten for Vita in a new code base. But both games are still being worked on and both are still coming.
But this is an XB1 thread. We'll have to continue our talks in the secret clubs and parlors only elite Vita enthusiasts know about. See you in the shadows, comrade.
wumster3000
Member
I played and finished the game so it sucks for people who were waiting on this glorious game to receive a retail release. Getting pretty tired of their damn polices. Stop taking the fun out of it with your policies.
Really? That's terrible, but also unsurprising.
LQX
Member
If they knew the minimum run was something they could not do with the XB1 why then would they get peoples hopes up? If that is the case it then seems like dick move to then site "publishing polices", which though true sort of puts it all off on MS as if they are standing in the way of the release.
Stone Ocean
Member
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Is it possible that the low percentage of people playing Shovel Knight on Xbox One was what lead them to cancel it? This sucks man, I specifically wanted a physical version for Xbox One since I already have a digital copy on 3DS.
Nocturnowl
Member
Hold up a sec here...
Is that guy in the banner up there Chester? all this time I was seeing his sprite as some weird white genie man with an elaborate turban and stache, this is much better and he has legs.
Good to know I can still suffer sprite visual confusion even in this modern era of games.
Is that guy in the banner up there Chester? all this time I was seeing his sprite as some weird white genie man with an elaborate turban and stache, this is much better and he has legs.
Good to know I can still suffer sprite visual confusion even in this modern era of games.
nah, it's just that this game is more in line with Nintendo's audience
FranXico
Member
The minimum run policy probably exists to prevent releasing retail discs at a loss.
Hopefully Microsoft will reconsider.
Exactly. Can they not see that they're just shooting themselves in the foot with this crap?
Curious, what game?
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
On 360 there was a 50k minimum print run in North America IIRC.
dancrane212
Member
I always figured it was to deter doing the printing/pressing work for quantities too small to "be worth it".
I don't want to live in a world where Shovel Knight is not worth it.
C'mon, MS. Pull through.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
This is terrible. Makes MS look really poor compared to Sony. Another policy that needs to be radically changed on their part.