DriftingSpirit
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Yes, you are. Your mistake is trying to make the Pro out of something it isn't. The Pro was always meant to supplement the Slim.
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Sony: 1 in 5 PS4s sold since Pro's release are PS4 Pros
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Well this don't answer my question, but thanks anyway
Just to clarify , i'm worried about support of the devs after seeing these numbers.
Lionel Richie
Member
I don't see much of an incentive for the devs at least as it is. There was some backlash for how Prey advertised Pro enhancements and didn't feature them, but overall people didn't give a shit enough about the game to generate awareness of these enhancements. What I mean is people who bought the Pro obviously would like this feature, but if devs stop doing it altogether because they just don't give a fuck then even less people will care about this thing.
My point is I don't feel bad for the developers, ultimately they will dictate if this does well or poorly.
Imo this is great. The PS4 pro is super niche and doesn't even have UHD. This proves that there is room for an enthusiast spec console and (once again imo) ensures support for those of us that want more hardware updates than once every 6-8 years.
20% is a healthy margin of enthusiasts especially when the base PS4 is markedly cheaper. I was afraid it would be closer to 10-15% honestly.
Edit: and to those saying supporting the pro is an added expense. It hardly is. Pro support is usually better effects and higher res or more frames. This is not asking a lot and if the dev is already releasing a Pc version it should be incredibly marginal cost wise to support it.
20% is a healthy margin of enthusiasts especially when the base PS4 is markedly cheaper. I was afraid it would be closer to 10-15% honestly.
Edit: and to those saying supporting the pro is an added expense. It hardly is. Pro support is usually better effects and higher res or more frames. This is not asking a lot and if the dev is already releasing a Pc version it should be incredibly marginal cost wise to support it.
LifEndz
Member
Well this result is about what Sony was telling devs to expect, so I wouldn't worry about that.
For mid gen, whats more likely to happen is alot of ppl with XBO will get the Scorpio. If it was called next gen? Maybe it could pull alot of PS4 owners..
But you do have those with PS4's that didnt get a Pro. So its possible.
Those that already got the Pro? I feel that ship has sailed for MS.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Agnostic Priest
Member
I feel like it would be the opposite. About this time last gen was when I started to consider buying a PS3 and hammer through all the exclusives I missed out on. Ultimately I didn't bother and just bought a ps4 and xbox one at the start of this gen, but perhaps a more powerful version of the ps3 would have made me make the jump.
A person making a switch mid-gen has a fair amount of games to play, and those games aren't too dated yet. Just my line of though!
PS4 sales were ~50 million as of last year and are ~60 million now, so that's ~10 million sold in the time since PS4 Pro was launched late last year. If 1 in 5 PS4s sold are Pros that's ~2 million PS4 Pros. And it sounds like they could have moved a lot more if they had made them. Oops!
Interestingly enough they sold over 1 million PSVRs in that timeframe, and I can't help but wonder if the release of both sets of similarly-priced hardware in a similar timeframe hurt the sales of each. I remember a lot of posts with folks saying should they get the PSVR or the Pro (if not both)? Seems folks went with the Pro 2 to 1.
Interestingly enough they sold over 1 million PSVRs in that timeframe, and I can't help but wonder if the release of both sets of similarly-priced hardware in a similar timeframe hurt the sales of each. I remember a lot of posts with folks saying should they get the PSVR or the Pro (if not both)? Seems folks went with the Pro 2 to 1.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Most people haven't adopted 4K TVs yet, which is the main draw of the PS4 Pro.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
In the UK it was hard to buy so l would say it's good. Plus it's not even advertised is it?
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
No.. TV TV TV 😉What is it with Sony releasing all kind of statistics and data a week before E3, does it mean they want to dedicate the press conference to games games games only?
J/k
The Pro is a win for us gamers regardless of third party support. We always want advancing hardware. Plus, you can guarantee that first party studios will push the Pro and that is worth it alone. You are going to see some fantastic looking Pro games by first party that would not be possible on the regular model.
I'm perplexed by some of the responses in this thread. To those who are underwhelmed by a 20% ratio, you need to match your perception to actual reality.
1) Premium tier product - what do you think is the % of total smartphone sales held by premium flagships vs their mid/budget range counterparts?
2) Expectations - considering how there was virtually no marketing campaign, low-key announcement, muted sales push, supply constraints (you had to wait for months to get one in Asia), hints from numerous interviews, etc ... it's very likely that this is exactly what Sony expected.
1) Premium tier product - what do you think is the % of total smartphone sales held by premium flagships vs their mid/budget range counterparts?
2) Expectations - considering how there was virtually no marketing campaign, low-key announcement, muted sales push, supply constraints (you had to wait for months to get one in Asia), hints from numerous interviews, etc ... it's very likely that this is exactly what Sony expected.
Yeah I am kinda confused
GenericUser
Member
Serves them right, hope Scorpio will share the same fate. Those ingen upgrades need to burn in hell.
ScaryShark
Banned
What 'fate' exactly?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
That's not how that works. Apple doesn't just junk the iphone 7 when the 6 comes out. Honda doesn't set the lot of 2016 Sonata's alight when the 2017s come in.
The biggest consumer spending weekend in the world is a clearance sale on old electronics. The entire reason price drops happen is because consumers are price sensitive. Phasing out the $250 sku would raise sales of the $400... and it would also raise sales of the X1, Switch, and low level gaming PCs, because Sony computer entertainment doesn't exist in a vacuum.
GenericUser
Member
Ps4 pro selling poorly. Seems it is not a desirable product to many.
PeterLegend
Member
Sony is barely marketing the PS4 Pro since it launched, Microsoft on the other hand has hyped up Scorpio since E3 2016.
You can bet your butt Microsoft is putting a lot of money into Scorpio and marketing for it.
You can bet your butt Microsoft is putting a lot of money into Scorpio and marketing for it.
20% for a premium PS4 is not poorly.
Astral Dog
Member
The devs will support it but Sony was very clear what the pro is and isn't.
Dougieflesh
Member
Reading is hard.
Games are key, and unfortunately a lot of the promises and announcements from years ago were either cancelled or haven't yet materialized. Those that have haven't set the world on fire.
So even with power and price point on their side, they still lack a compelling slate of exclusive content now into the future. I don't think you're going to see a lot of enthusiast​ PS4 users swap to Xbox - that seems like a pipe dream.
GenericUser
Member
In my opinion it is. It's constantly on sale where I live and still only one out of five PlayStations is a pro?
But I kinda understand, the upgrade you get with the pro is underwhelming. It cannot even get 1080p games to 60fps nor will it consistently render at 4k.
I don't think sony is happy about that and that's a good thing. Ingen upgrades are anti consumer I want them to go away.
😂😂😂😂😂 Say it a couple more times it may be true.
Interesting world were a completely optional more powerful hardware is anti consumer.
They seem pretty happy to me. Certainly selling better than I expected.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Given it's supply constrained, it's selling exactly as well as Sony could hope.
So the direct statement from them is a lie? This post reads when translated,like what I like or else it's bad.
Wildo09
Member
I don't think PS4 Pro is supply constrained. PS VR on the other hand..
There are certainly some people in this thread that are going to face a few harsh realities once Scorpio launches:
1. Scorpio will not vault Microsoft into consistent sales leads over PlayStation
2. One s will sell better than Scorpio, not too different in ratio to the pro
3. We are facing overall diminishing returns on GPU power, the upgrade from pro to Scorpio will be less noticeable to most viewers than the upgrade from PS4 to pro. We're at a point where we've got enough power for most developers to create visually striking games.
1. Scorpio will not vault Microsoft into consistent sales leads over PlayStation
2. One s will sell better than Scorpio, not too different in ratio to the pro
3. We are facing overall diminishing returns on GPU power, the upgrade from pro to Scorpio will be less noticeable to most viewers than the upgrade from PS4 to pro. We're at a point where we've got enough power for most developers to create visually striking games.
Dangansona
Member
Colin Moriarty might be rolling over in his grave hearing this news. I guarantee you that is enough to justify the existence of the Pro.
DigitalScrap
Member
Where are you pulling that number from? I seriously doubt that Scorpio will end up being $499. Well see, but you are saying it will be $499 or higher? Did you see something announced somewhere that I didn't?
Ryan & Layden both say that it is. Just because there're some in your local retailer doesn't mean that overall demand is higher than supply to some regions - IIRC many SEAsiaGAF posters have mentioned Pro supply issues repeatedly.
I'm happy that my January guesstimate of 20% has proved correct, and it's worth pointing out that if that ratio is maintained and Sony sell 18m units this FY that'll be 3.6mn units of a premium, probably higher margin, console.
But no, clearly a complete failure for Sony because reading-comprehension impaired Gaffers said so.
Agnostic Priest
Member
That's part of what I meant by " Scorpio needs to be executed perfectly". They need to devote the money saved from the marketing deals they no longer have into new IPs.
If they go into e3 with guns blazing (new ips, best looking third party games, OG backwards compatibility, maybe throw in a couple months of game pass free with Scorpio), then I believe they could sell a lot of units.
Edit: I see I'm straying off topic. I think 20% is good for the pro, but I think Scorpio will do much better. MS needs it to.
BlitzerRadic
Member
My predicition is scorpio will sell mostly to existing hardcore xbone owners. MS knows this, so will gouge them on pricing. Case in point: xbox elite controller.
RedAssedApe
Banned
assuming you're trolling at this point
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I'm happy to hear this... maintain support and keep stepping it up with more Pro patches and games that really shine on it from day 1.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
There is a World out there..
panda-zebra
Banned
How is New Zealand this time of year?
primasaurus
Member
That actually sounds bad, why wouldn't people buy the latest PS?
FingerBang
Member
It's going to hurt much more then. Unless Scorpio is 249$.