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Strategy Analytics report: PS4 to outsell Xbox One by 40% through 2018
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Final Verdict
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PS2
Xbox
GameCube
While there is a gap in graphics between XB/GC and PS2, I wouldn't call it a generation leap.
XB360
PS3
That is a generation leap.
EDIT: hope these pictures are better....I was trying to avoid bullshots, but it is incredibly hard to find direct feed shots that are not compressed, but not bullshots either....
2ndEDIT: Sorry, I just realized that some people took my post the wrong way...I meant that that difference between 6th Gen & 7the Gen is a true generation gap, unlike the difference between XB/GC and PS2 which I do not think is a generation gap. Again, super sorry for the confusion here.
Where are the games that aren't possible on the 360? It was a clean win power wise. It's an 'anything you can do, I can do better' situation, save the capacity of the disc. Even that doesn't matter too much - just install the rest of the game to the hard drive.
We don't know what's coming for PS4. The gap between the systems is large enough that I would expect to see games that would not be possible on the Xbox One, but those games do not exist yet.
The Amazon chart has been accurate at predicting console hardware rankings for 14 months straight. It has been absolutely reliable, up until this point.
No one in this thread has come in here to agree with you that it's a "horseshit chart that means nothing".
You are deliberately presenting the PS2 in it's best light and the 360 in it's worst. Give it another go, you have a point to make here (as misguided as I think it is, which I will argue once you present 'real' screenshots)
A guy came in here to explain the way Amazon runs that chart, how it doesn't reset, how factors that don't count anywhere else count on Amazon.
If you would like, I can find that post for you.
What. Is this a joke post? Have I missed something?PS2
Xbox
GameCube
While there is a gap in graphics between XB/GC and PS2, I wouldn't call it a generation leap.
XB360
PS3
That is a generation leap.
Well, when you start with "the PS2 was JRPGS, racers and little else"; you can bet your opinion will be controversial among most members.
I opened my mouth. That was a mistake.
Why isn't it enough for me to admit I was wrong?
FunkyPajamas
Member
Seriously guys? This is not the thread for that.
He means to portray that the generational gap lies between PS2 & Xbox OG and PS3 & Xbox 360 and not between PS2 and Xbox OG.
This; PS2 had tons of genres.
CalamityPixel
Member
PS2
Xbox
GameCube
While there is a gap in graphics between XB/GC and PS2, I wouldn't call it a generation leap.
XB360
PS3
That is a generation leap.
Is this a joke post?
I thought Halo 4 looked way better than TLOU, it doesn't help you used a shitty image for Halo 4 to try and prove your opinion.
PS2
Xbox
GameCube
While there is a gap in graphics between XB/GC and PS2, I wouldn't call it a generation leap.
XB360
PS3
That is a generation leap.
Haha! Wow, what does that even mean?
Final Verdict
Member
360 in it's worst? Thats halo 4....
I will try and find a better Pic I guess, that one is a bit blurry...
What is wrong with it?
EDIT: I swapped out the PS360 pics for something a bit better...
No. Multiple people have not agreed with you. One guy said that if there is a discount then the rankings are affected, but you are trying to make up some magical weighting system that doesn't exist.
You are showing photoshopped to hell PS2 screenshots and Halo 4 at it's absolute worst.
Hey, for me it was alright. You forgot some stuff and that's Ok, no harm done there. But i'm not talking for me; others user will read your post with another mindset. I just wish the thread hasn't been derailed like that, but oh well.
He means that that's how a generation leap actually looks. The leap between PS2/XB to PS3/360.
It's a good thing that you said that "I thought..."; nearly did a double take on that.
Yeah, lets ignore SOCOM's headset 3 months before Xbox Live came out cause you want to disqualify it, and the Dreamcast Mic, Neither of which required an honest to go OS or updateable OS to do so.
Wow, I just noticed from your posting history that half of your total posts are in this thread.
I'll leave you to it, but I suspect that this will not end well.
Welfare
Member
XB360
PS3
That is a generation leap.
Fixed.
Fox Mulder
Member
Good for Sony. The picked up momentum with the ps3 and carried it into this generation. MS shit the bed, but I stuck with the for forza and halo.
I got three people by my memory. In the real world (non-Amazon charts) last months sales don't get taken into account for this months sale charts. Only Amazon does that insane shit.
I'll say it again: the end result of counting LTD on a (presented as) a monthly chart are numbers that do not mean a single thing.
Progress! Now fix the PS2/OG Xbox shots.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Let's just think about this for a second. Let's list the most graphically impressive games last generation between the Xbox 360 and PS3.
The Last of Us
Uncharted 3
Uncharted 2
Beyond Two Souls
God of War Ascension
Halo 4
Killzone 2
God of War 3
Gears of War 3
The positions of the games are debateable, and there are some games I'm likely missing, but that's a good idea of what the machines are capable. If the Xbox 360 is so clearly more powerful, why are the best looking games so skewed towards the PS3. Shouldn't the Xbox 360 have more graphical showcases since it's so much more powerful?
BrokenIcarus
Member
He's talking about PS2/NGC/XBX Generation to PS3/360 Generation being a generational gap. Not PS2 to NGC/XBX
I like how you imply that getting it right 14 times in a row is may be working.
I also like how you gloss over most people actually disagreeing with you.
You're the broken clock mate.
CalamityPixel
Member
Just my opinion.
But to say the TLOU is a generational leap in graphics over Halo 4 is absolutely bananas.
Well that is just changing the argument. No one was talking about LTD.
Edit: That would just be bad form using the rankings for each month to determine any kind of LTD, but using the year/month/day rankings should give insight into who sold more in those time frames.
CalamityPixel
Member
Ah, now it makes sense.
Let me try to break this down. Let's say the way I measured sales were by taking a sample of the customers. Whoever had the bigger dick was counted twice. If the resultsI got were that the PS4 sold more in the months that it did, my methodology would still be incorrect.
Amazon doesn't reset their charts month-to-month. Systems build leads and drop position far slower than they do in the real world. They can shoot up quickly on account of promos, but to drop takes a sustained period of next-to-no sales.
So, for instance, if Amazon were to discount the PS TV to $20 on the last day of this month, it would remain high in the charts all through the following month.
No one else does that. The methodology is wrong. It results in situations where the PS4 is 100% sold out, not available for pre-order, but #1 on the charts.
Well, I mean, the gap between PS2 and Xbox was way bigger than between PS3 and 360.
I mean there were games that ran at 480i on PS2 that not only had higher quality assets on Xbox but which also ran at 720p.
In a real sense it WAS a generational leap between PS2 and Xbox; Xbox was the first console with 'modern' hardware shaders, which let it do basic effects (bump-mapping; normal mapping) that the PS2 couldn't dream of.
oh god THANK YOU
You get it. I'm going to make you a 'getting it' badge and mail it to you.
It was worded pretty weirdly
Er... The original PS2 came with a hard drive bay so it was obvious what the intention was for the future, I still wouldn't call that a generational leap given the original PS2 that launched as it did in 1999(?).
ForsakenLotus
Member
The past is a good indicator of the future. That's what Amazon is doing. You are complaining about a daily chart where a random item is unusually high versus a chart that tracks a month of sales using a combination of statistically relevant sales for the month and past sales to make a prediction.
A prediction that has been right 14 times in a row (and probably longer than that with the previous gen).
One day versus a month. You don't even make any sense. But keep doing what you are doing
meanspartan
Member
This is preposterous.
While I don't think there was some huge difference in power between the two, I do think the majority of the best looking games of the generation were Ps3 exclusives.
For instance, to my eyes (and yes, I know that is subjective so totally fine to disagree), nothing on Xbox 360 is on the level of God of War 3 or Uncharted 3. Earlier in the generation, Killzone 2 looked better than anything I remember on the 360 at the time.
Of course, the difficulty of the cell meant that multiplats often looked better on 360. But Sony studios seemed to know how to make it sing.
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Not the same thing. The Xbox used the hard drive to store the OS, so it could be updatable. Should have said that in the post. Not trying to move goal posts, I swear.
Final Verdict
Member
The past is a good indicator of the future. That's what Amazon is doing. You are complaining about a daily chart where a random item is unusually high versus a chart that tracks a month of sales using a combination of statistically relevant sales for the month and past sales to make a prediction.
A prediction that has been right 14 times in a row (and probably longer than that with the previous gen).
One day versus a month. You don't even make any sense. But keep doing what you are doing
What Amazon is doing is throwing all the math out and picking winners out of a hat. It's a ******** style bullshit chart that is completely disconnected from what every other retailer is seeing.
The past is a good indicator, yes, if all things are equal. What about sales? What if you drop the price a bunch for a limited period of time? You can earn a high Amazon ranking for the future based on a one time action.
I really don't think what I posted is that hard to grasp. If you honestly think your sale charts should take into account last months data, if a sale at the end of one month should carry into the next months rankings.....well, so be it.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Has anyone come up with alternate projections to compare to the ones in the OP?
Fixed.
Fixed now (Direct feed- all from Gamersyde).
Point is both games are visually amazing (esp. in motion on tv) and THAT is what a GENERATIONAL leap looks like over PS2/Xbox and not what Xbox had to offer over PS2.
meanspartan
Member
I don't see it as that big a leap to be honest, though your 720p capability argument is a good one.
I see it as the power difference between the Ps2 and the Xbox is real, but similar to Dreamcast vs. Ps2. What I mean is that though one is undeniably more powerful than the other, it is hard to imagine making a game on Ps2 that you couldn't make a competent port of on Dreamcast, or port an Xbox game to Ps2. The gulf between XBox and Dreamcast may very well be too big though, no idea if something like Halo 2 could run in a non-horrible way on Dreamcast, but I DO think you could make a competent Halo 2 on Ps2. Similar to how Resident Evil 4 was best on gamecube, but was a perfectly acceptable port for Ps2.
Fun fact, the Dreamcast's support of 480p for most games through VGA means it has aged a hell of a lot better than most Ps2 (only a few games supported Progressive scan over component) when playing on an HDTV.
Thanks. ^_^
Well yeah, it being standard was what set it apart from Sony's efforts, but at the same time it was a direction Sony foresaw well in advance, the Xbox was pretty much that generation of console's fully realised.
I think anyone here would agree that the difference between Xbox and PlayStation 2 is far, far larger than the difference between Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Whoever argues the contrary is ignorant, insane or trolling.
I think the confusion arose from people who misread this as "the leap from PS2->Xbox was larger than Xbox->PS360", which would be a silly assessment.
Modern consoles are an evolution of the vision behind the original Xbox. PC-like architectures for easy coding, broadband connectivity for multiplayer and online interaction, a suscription service for a quality platform, large hard drives for DLC and media, you name it. A console is ultimately judged by its software library, and PS2 will reign supreme on that front. In terms of vision, however, Xbox was a precursor to what we have today.
Damn, never played Halo 4 (i have never been a fan of Halo); but in those shots, the game looks reaaaaally good.
It could not.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Another thing I need to ask about, what do features have to do with power? The Wii U has a tablet controller so it must be a generation leap above the Xbox One and PS4. That is the argument you are making.
And let me be clear, the PS2 was significantly weaker than the Xbox and GameCube. They released around two years after the PS2 I think, but regardless there is a significant power difference.
But a broken clock is right twice a day.
Final Verdict
Member
Halo pic was bad, sorry, but the PS2 one was not photoshopped (to my knowledge)
Here is some footage of TLG (which did to be fair, suck more power out of PS2 than any game had any right to).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c752KC2j4Y
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