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Street Fighter V Systems Trailer and hands-on impressions
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Teknopathetic
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" In ST you can gain enough meter by getting hit or blocking to get a super which leads to huge damage, that many players would say, is unbalanced and shift the focus of the game from fundamentals to explosive damage you got by losing. "
Actually, you don't gain meter in ST if you get hit or block. If you're getting steamrolled it can be hard to get a full meter.
Actually, you don't gain meter in ST if you get hit or block. If you're getting steamrolled it can be hard to get a full meter.
My bad, forgot about focus, so there is a way, but fact remains you will get an ultra in the process of losing the match. For doing nothing other than losing. You're 100% wrong about St.
Supers can be used to come back, but they are not designed specifically to aid losing players the way ultras are. They are not a comeback mechanic in St.
Must have confused the meter gain you get for getting your attacks blicked or specials stuffed with gaining meter on hit. My bad.
I think the character lists would be more interesting if the poster included what they think should be the character's V-Skill and V-Trigger.
Like, if Dan were in the game I think his V-Skill would be a taunt that does little to no damage but can "hit" opponents like Dudley's rose and builds meter quick. His V-Trigger would involve him concentrating his Saikyo Power to temporarily become a competent fighter.
Like, if Dan were in the game I think his V-Skill would be a taunt that does little to no damage but can "hit" opponents like Dudley's rose and builds meter quick. His V-Trigger would involve him concentrating his Saikyo Power to temporarily become a competent fighter.
These are my thoughts exactly as well. SFV - more than anything else - needs a fresh, unique identity, not be another nostalgia-driven rethread of SFII, Alpha or even III. Going with a largely new roster would go a long way to accomplishing this (together with new gameplay mechanics, music and overall aesthetics).
While I still like SFIV quite a bit, compared to II, Alpha and III I do feel the game lacks such an identity and this hurts my enjoyment and longing to return to it greatly. I understand why IV had to be the way it was to reach the majority of past SF fans, but now that it helped put the genre back on the map again while still being played actively as well, V can stand to take a few more risks to carve out its own identity.
(And if they do decide it's best to have a majority of veterans again, I hope they at least go with the more underused ones like Alex, Sean, Oro, Necro, Twelve, Q, Urien, Karin, R. Mika, Juri and not ones from II and Alpha again. That or go with redesigns of veterans, like in Charlie's case.)
Kind of lame that parry is exclusive to Ryu.
I remember playing SF 3rd Strike with friends. And while we weren't that good, whenever we would get off a parry in a clutch moment it was just one of those "OH SHIT" turn-around moments.
Plus there's the whole Daigo or whatever his name is Ken vs Chun-Li video
SF5 needs that. Unless it has that and I'm not seeing it?
I remember playing SF 3rd Strike with friends. And while we weren't that good, whenever we would get off a parry in a clutch moment it was just one of those "OH SHIT" turn-around moments.
Plus there's the whole Daigo or whatever his name is Ken vs Chun-Li video
SF5 needs that. Unless it has that and I'm not seeing it?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
If Ken is out then Ryu needs a new rival. Akuma as an equal storywise? Oro? A new character?
Omnistalgic
Member
Should be in the OP for all the drive by "leave him out this time post" really f'n annoying.
To be honest though, If Capcom isn't putting in work to make him different, more flashy, focused on kicks etc...(not sure what his special input would be if Ryu only has parry, dodge/roll maybe?) then they should leave him out as SFV is supposed to be all about each character being unique. I just won't be there at launch. And a TON of people, particularly from the casual side will be disappointed if Ken is some DLC incentive. lol...ppl on forums must not realize how much nostalgia plays a part in the series staying popular all this time.
Sanctuary
Member
Ever since they introduced E. Ryu in Alpha 2 and retconned Ryu's story, it's basically been Luke vs Vader.
dark_prinny
Banned
I'm going to main Charlie so hard.
CountAntonius
Member
Same. A non charge version of Charlie....heaven.
I'm having kind of a hard time imagining unique ideas for the system, and it's a little worrying that we haven't seen much variety in the four characters revealed so far. Ryu, Bison, and Nash's V-skill are all variations on nullifying an attack (granted Nash is limited to projectiles). Chun-Li, Ryu, and Bison's V-Trigger are all "power up" modes. Only Chun's V-Skill and Nash's V-Trigger look truly unique, and neither look as useful as the rest.
I guess Urien's V-Trigger being the Aegis Reflectior is a good one (maybe a directional input to alter placement), but beyond that? I don't have a lot of ideas.
Yep, I've had enough of the OG 16. SFV doesn't need to be inundated with that shit.
So sf3 wasn't sf until its third iteration. Maybe sf won't be sf for you guys at launch, but will be sf eventually.
Bless you Gipsy.
I don't agree. Ryu, Bison, and Nash's V-skills all nullify projectiles, but that doesn't seem like the main use for them. Ryu's parry is obvious. Bison's V-skill reflects projectiles and acts as a hit of armor, while Nash can use his as a command grab that steals life (and can be comboed out of I think). The anti-fireball part just feels like something they threw in on top.
I think V-Triggers being mostly power-up modes is fine if they're varied enough. Charlie's is cool, and I want to see more triggers like his, but using the entire meter for 1 use is a little much to me (unless you can use individual bars and I just don't remember). Thw fact that they don't have to be straight buffs is enough for me.
It's really powerful, I'm guessing this will be one of the strongest V Triggers in the game.
The Lone Dragon
Member
The thing is that BOTH players get ultra, though.
If your HP is in the range of being depleted from eating an ultra, that probably means that YOU already have an ultra stocked, too. And, if you have SO much life that you don't have an ultra, then if you get hit by one you'll definitely have an ultra when it's done, and now your opponent is in trouble.
It's not really a "reward for losing" as much as it's an extra tool BOTH players get later in the round.
gundamkyoukai
Member
When it comes to stun chun is who i find terrifying.
Agreed. Capcom needs to pull in some more universes. They have a lot of characters that would fit Street Fighter.
I'm pretty sure Nash's grab is a separate move from Bullet Clear since it has an EX version. His V-Skill is more like Oni's fireball-destroying HP.
Robot Pants
Member
Well clearly Yun will have a Ginei-Jin V trigger, his V skill though.....
in story line if this is truly after SF4 and since he has the Denjin, he has finished his training with Gouken meaning he should have the satu no hadou suppressed and is now using the power of the Chikara no Hado
This implies capcom cares about story. They brought gouken back and e ryu should have only been an Alpha character in that case.
Well according to Ken Bogard, they'll be caring about the story this time aruond.
well bringing Gouken back was kinda necessary. they brought gouken back to explain how Ryu get's the Denjin hadouken in SF3.
Art was right when he said other fighting games have to keep capcom honest.
That's kinda reaching tbh
well it's your opinion so whatever but the evidence is in the story of SF4. Gouken and Akuma were battling over who will train Ryu. and
Gouken won
We still don't know what the rest of the cast will have for their V-skill. They have the potential for parry too. If we assume Omega SF4 was a testing ground for SF5, Zangief had a parry too. Maybe we can assume the grappler in SF5 will have parry also, which might be Birdie.
And there's no crouch teching. Could definitely make for some hilarious moments.
m_shortpants
Member
That's good though IMO. Reminds me of the speed of 3S games.
m_shortpants
Member
So you just get a crouching short? Or do you get a throw but no short?
There just isn't any right? At least at lower life levels.
I wonder what Birdie V-skill and V-trigger are going to be. Going to guess the v-trigger gives birdie one hit of super armor every second, or on every move, making him into a mvc hulk like character. Gotta be something overpowered, cause you know parries for ryu are already kind of overpowered.
Now that parries whiff, well, maybe they are more reasonable. Whiffless parries in SF3 were broken. They were only acceptable cause everyone was raised to the same level of brokenness, but if you are going to do that, you may as well bring back one button grabs.
Now that parries whiff, well, maybe they are more reasonable. Whiffless parries in SF3 were broken. They were only acceptable cause everyone was raised to the same level of brokenness, but if you are going to do that, you may as well bring back one button grabs.
You only get the throw whiff animation.
Yeah. He really needs to go back to the SF2/SFA2 standard, complete with a jumping grab super....that actually works. Oh, and the air grab from ST.
Always found weird that they didn't give Zangief a decent dash. Everyone just green handing after a SPD is a bad fix for his pathetic dash.
Wonder if Gief is going to be at all.
Except it doesn't matter at all lol. They could've said he saw it on the back of a cereal box for all it matters.
Passive Assassin
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haggar!