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Markoman

Member
Well you're a fucking arsehole then - and this is exactly why long time members are so pissed off and aren't, 'just leaving' quietly.

I get that you don't care - but to anyone else who's staying - this is the attitude you're giving a free pass to and allowing to propagate...

You know what? You're right! And I enjoy being an asshole much more than entering discussions with some of the drama queens on here. That was a part of my life - it's over now. I will visit this site only for the gaming and the lighthearted funny stuff.

Me not participating in this site's philosophic/political circle is a drop in an ocean. Be tolerant and let me live my life as a happy asshole. I don't see how joining any movement on here will make this world a place free of sexual misbehaviour. I contribute to this by treating women good in real life. I don't have to write about it in addition.
 

JawzPause

Member
Don't know why people are thinking Gaf is over.

The shitposts will die down, the mods will clean it up, and Gaf will move on.
Yep, they might try and make some new forums but they won't be as big as gaf. I'm staying here for now as i have done for the past 7/8 years of my life
 
I will say that this whole resetera has felt very ambiguous. As a frequent gaffer that has been unable to speak to or join any group working through this new project, I have felt very much in the dark and completely confused by this new start up. It feels much less like a community migration and much more like waiting for the next new thing to 'drop'. Even the twitter account has been silent except for a 7 second 'trailer'. I don't want hype, this isn't a new pair of yeezy's. I just want to know what's going on with my online gaming community/family, and instead feel like I'm left out in the dark.

I'll pm you
 

fresquito

Member
This isn't a one time type of thing, tho, there's been more than one instance of inappropriate behavior with the following inappropriate response by the party involved.
Unlike you and all the leavers, who never have done anything wrong in their whole lives. Like someone said earlier, you are the decent people.
 

mattx5

Member
tyler you're a coward. fuck you for character assassinating a woman by calling her psychotic, fuck you for deflecting all this, and fuck you for being an abusive piece of shit. enjoy your new forum full of toxic Gamergate MRA shitheads, you all belong together.

"wah, why can't we just discuss videogames?"

you're a pathetic overgrown man baby. i'm sure it's only a matter of time till you shed the smokescreen of your "progressive politics" now that your toxic masculinity has been fully revealed. keep blaming women you fucking losers. you're the problem: sad little men.

i hope this follows you everywhere you go.
 

Fuz

Banned
So, here's my two cents.
I'll refer to this article: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...ct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd

First, on one hand I'm somewhat glad the echo chamber is going through this - I've been unjustly banned in the past once (and you can't even protest it), and most of the time I just didn't express my opinion on most of the things around here for fear of retaliation and more unjust bans from a fascist moderation team. Oh, by the way, I'm a leftie and Bernie sympathizer and an advocate for civil rights. EVEN SO I was afraid of going out even the tiniest little bit from the majority hivemind insane sjw mindset (for example: I don't like anita sarkesian).

On the other hand, GAF has always been the BEST place to find info about gaming, a great place of discussion (IF you keep away from any social/political commentary and the crazy fascist moderation team) there are a lot of interesting minds around here and it will be sad seeing it in shambles. I hope it will get fully back on its feet... with a totally different moderation team and none of that power-hungry nazi shit it had before, of course.

While I don't have any particular love for Malka and the sjw witch-hunting climate he contributed to create, and now turned against himself (ironic, isn't it?), I think people are exagerating the extent of the offense. I mean, this particular offense.
Now. You don't enter uninvited inside a shower a girl is using. You just don't. That's harassment, there's no way around that and it's unexcusable. BUT he got out as soon as she told him "nope". And of course he moped afterwards, let's be realistic.
A few things struck me as weird. First, they went on a weekend trip, alone, drinked and shared a room. Sounds exactly like a romantic getaway. Of course, this won't excuse him laying an hand on her uninvited, in any case.
But part of the article said:
"The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback."
So.. they solved it between them already? AND They had a brief relationship AFTERWARD? How does that make any sense?
What's the point of starting a revenge against him NOW on social network - we all know how those things can end, it's always BAD.
Then, on her post, after she told the story, someone asked for a name and...
"No, I won't make any names, ever"
...EXACTLY TWO MINUTES LATER...
"J/K IT WAS EVILORE LOL"

Honestly, by doing this now she sound just like someone who wanted to jump on the #metoo bandwagon and an attention seeker. HEY COOL, I WANNA BE PART OF IT.

And all this story kinda sounds like a revenge against him after something happened (or not happened anymore - the work collaborations?) at E3.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
Is it a witch hunt, or is it a culmination of past events?

Because the scoop in question, about the hotel, doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm not condoning it, but it doesn't sound like sexual assault or anything to me. Drunk guy does dumb thing, gets scolded, backs off. Then gets involved, girl uses him for his network (apparently), girl feels kind of dirty perhaps fueled by metoo hype and brings him down. Thats what I conclude from her own FB article.

Those other things sound much worse to me (the Amirox case, and the revenge porn), but until last weekend this was never an issue apparently. The site was doing fine afaik. So it seems that the community was pretty much waiting with pitch forks in hand. In that case something is wrong with the way leadership is being exacted in here. The problem seems to be a personality one. I don't think not tolerating any form of feedback helps this cause. Just maybe it helps, if indeed true ofcourse, if you say 'yeah i've done some bad shit in the past, made some bad calls but i'm human as well and willing to improve myself'. I think that would've be a better solution than the way its been handled now. Though I can understand that its hard to get through the inevitable dog piling anyway.
 
This. Exactly this.

If you don’t want to visit the site you don’t need to spam the board with requests to be banned. Some people are just addicted to drama.

I do find this whole ordeal to be silly on both sides. Both for the immediate knee jerk reactions by mods and Neogaf members as soon as the allegation became public and by Evilore for blaming this on political discourse in the OT forum. I’ve learned far more than I ever wanted to know about Evilore’s sex life in the past couple of days. This whole thing is just one big clusterfuck. What’s becoming clear is that this site will never be the same if majority of the community is moving elsewhere. It’s a shame that the community and site will be forever tainted by this.
A lot of them will join back on alt accounts. It’s like Facebook, where people really want attention, so they do something the rest of the sheep do.
Like a lot of said, there’s a lot of people here who must have a completely mistake free life. God forbid someone shines the spotlight on some of you.
We don’t have the whole story, and never will.
 

ntropy

Member
This is a problem though...There is very little to go on at the moment except the word of two people involved in the incident. I find the hysteria here rather off putting. If he was genuinely predatory then that is disgusting, but unless more circumstantial or direct evidence arises, there is no possibility of making a fair judgement at the moment. This is nothing like the situation with people like Weinstein, Crosby or Trump yet - leaving aside the severity, I am refering to the circumstantial evidence. The situation in Madrid was an assault of sorts and something that is common in any club you go to where people get drunk and men become idiots.

I also think that Evilore is not the only figure coming out of this looking damaged...
i love how liberals ignore the Clintons in these matters
 
Who would have thought that Neogaf's trademark dog-piling would lead it to its own demise?
Mods tried to bury, users caught note of this shit, couldn't keep up and ended up bouncing out of here.

one of the mods tossed the owner under the bus in that kotaku article.

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the community will never be the same.
 
So, here's my two cents.
I'll refer to this article: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...ct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd

First, on one hand I'm somewhat glad the echo chamber is going through this - I've been unjustly banned in the past once (and you can't even protest it), and most of the time I just didn't express my opinion on most of the things around here for fear of retaliation and more unjust bans from a fascist moderation team. Oh, by the way, I'm a leftie and Bernie sympathizer and an advocate for civil rights. EVEN SO I was afraid of going out even the tiniest little bit from the majority hivemind insane sjw mindset (for example: I don't like anita sarkesian).

On the other hand, GAF has always been the BEST place to find info about gaming, a great place of discussion (IF you keep away from any social/political commentary and the crazy fascist moderation team) there are a lot of interesting minds around here and it will be sad seeing it in shambles. I hope it will get fully back on its feet... with a totally different moderation team and none of that power-hungry nazi shit it had before, of course.

While I don't have any particular love for Malka and the sjw witch-hunting climate he contributed to create, and now turned against himself (ironic, isn't it?), I think people are exagerating the extent of the offense. I mean, this particular offense.
Now. You don't enter uninvited inside a shower a girl is using. You just don't. That's harassment, there's no way around that and it's unexcusable.
But a few things struck me as weird. First, they went on a weekend trip, alone, drinked and shared a room. Sounds exactly like a romantic getaway. Of course, this won't excuse him laying an hand on her uninvited, in any case.
But part of the article said:
"The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback."
So.. they solved it between them already? AND They had a brief relationship AFTERWARD? How does that make any sense?
What's the point of starting a revenge against him NOW on social network - we all know how those things can end, it's always BAD.
Then, on her post, after she told the story, someone asked for a name and...
"No, I won't make any names, ever"
...EXACTLY TWO MINUTES LATER...
"J/K IT WAS EVILORE LOL"

Honestly, by doing this now she sound just like someone who wanted to jump on the #metoo bandwagon and an attention seeker. HEY COOL, I WANNA BE PART OF IT.

And all this story kinda sounds like a revenge against him after something happened (or not happened anymore - the work collaborations?) at E3.
This is true. I made an off the cuff remark which o know could be misconstrued and it was so i clarified and I still got banned.

And I'm one of the most liberal people I know and up for social justice but people here in the mod team are reactive as fuck and I got banned for 2 months.

The mod team had a serious culture problem
 

SkylineRKR

Member
A lot of them will join back on alt accounts. It’s like Facebook, where people really want attention, so they do something the rest of the sheep do.
Like a lot of said, there’s a lot of people here who must have a completely mistake free life. God forbid someone shines the spotlight on some of you.

People handle out of emotion. When things fly over and new games and communities are rising a lot of them want to be able to post in it again.
 

mattx5

Member
I contribute to this by treating women good in real life.

doubtful. i'm sure you're a real piece of shit. you can't treat any woman well without treating all women well. and by ignoring the person assaulted by evilore you're doing a disservice to every woman in your life.
 
I have a vendetta against this woman? Why would i? I just don't understand how a woman can have a sexual relationship with a guy she thinks harassed her? Would she even bring this up if they still met up with him today, still talking? She sounds to me like a woman who craves attention? She not a woman who was truly abused emotionally and physically abused by a man, Read the horror stories of women who are in bad relationship and you understand the differences.

There are plenty of Weinstein’s victims that still had business relationships with him after the fact, at least one had a physical consensual relationship. That doesn’t retroactively excuse his earlier assault.

Women have less power in this society as it is. She was naked, likely bent over to be vomiting, and someone she trusted as a friend came up behind her in close quarters fully naked. How powerless must she have felt in that situation? Was he blocking the exit with his body? Was he paying for the room? Maybe he drove her there? Maybe she thinks if she doesn’t do what he wants she’ll be kicked out of the hotel, or forced to find her own transportation, or worse physically assaulted and then sexually assaulted.

She doesn’t know at that moment, when he surprises her naked in the shower, what he’s going to do next. He acted correctly when she told him to leave. But that doesn’t mean there wasn’t pressure or intimidation before that. And based on her account of his behavior after the fact, he was resentful towards her.

There’s a level of power/pressure that that can put on someone. You can’t ignore the psychological effect of it.

If you can’t see it as sexual intimidation/bullying then I don’t know what to say to you.
 

PBY

Banned
So, here's my two cents.
I'll refer to this article: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...ct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd

First, on one hand I'm somewhat glad the echo chamber is going through this - I've been unjustly banned in the past once (and you can't even protest it), and most of the time I just didn't express my opinion on most of the things around here for fear of retaliation and more unjust bans from a fascist moderation team. Oh, by the way, I'm a leftie and Bernie sympathizer and an advocate for civil rights. EVEN SO I was afraid of going out even the tiniest little bit from the majority hivemind insane sjw mindset (for example: I don't like anita sarkesian).

On the other hand, GAF has always been the BEST place to find info about gaming, a great place of discussion (IF you keep away from any social/political commentary and the crazy fascist moderation team) there are a lot of interesting minds around here and it will be sad seeing it in shambles. I hope it will get fully back on its feet... with a totally different moderation team and none of that power-hungry nazi shit it had before, of course.

While I don't have any particular love for Malka and the sjw witch-hunting climate he contributed to create, and now turned against himself (ironic, isn't it?), I think people are exagerating the extent of the offense. I mean, this particular offense.
Now. You don't enter uninvited inside a shower a girl is using. You just don't. That's harassment, there's no way around that and it's unexcusable.
But a few things struck me as weird. First, they went on a weekend trip, alone, drinked and shared a room. Sounds exactly like a romantic getaway. Of course, this won't excuse him laying an hand on her uninvited, in any case.
But part of the article said:
"The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback."
So.. they solved it between them already? AND They had a brief relationship AFTERWARD? How does that make any sense?
What's the point of starting a revenge against him NOW on social network - we all know how those things can end, it's always BAD.
Then, on her post, after she told the story, someone asked for a name and...
"No, I won't make any names, ever"
...EXACTLY TWO MINUTES LATER...
"J/K IT WAS EVILORE LOL"

Honestly, by doing this now she sound just like someone who wanted to jump on the #metoo bandwagon and an attention seeker. HEY COOL, I WANNA BE PART OF IT.

And all this story kinda sounds like a revenge against him after something happened (or not happened anymore - the work collaborations?) at E3.

Uses SJW un-ironically. Very very cool.
 

mattx5

Member
While I don't have any particular love for Malka and the sjw witch-hunting climate he contributed to create, and now turned against himself (ironic, isn't it?), I think people are exagerating the extent of the offense. I mean, this particular offense.
Now. You don't enter uninvited inside a shower a girl is using. You just don't. That's harassment, there's no way around that and it's unexcusable.
But a few things struck me as weird. First, they went on a weekend trip, alone, drinked and shared a room. Sounds exactly like a romantic getaway. Of course, this won't excuse him laying an hand on her uninvited, in any case.


YOU'RE NOT A DETECTIVE! TRUST WOMEN YOU LOSERS!
 

KxoZz

Member
Yep, they might try and make some new forums but they won't be as big as gaf. I'm staying here for now as i have done for the past 7/8 years of my life

Pretty much. It will die down, if this ResetEra thing takes off, fine, eventually everything will migrate to that and carry on there; if not, then Gaf will continue.
 

oo7

Member
This is a really, really terrible post. You should be ashamed of yourself if this is what you truly believe.

Have you ever made an ass out of yourself to the opposite sex? Have you ever put yourself out there and took a chance?

The female in question later on had sex with the fella. He showed his cards, and she eventually folded.

You call it harassment. I call it penis out in the shower.
 

itxaka

Defeatist
Am I correct that the incidents are:

(1) This one
(2) An incident in a bar in Spain
(3) Posting 'revenge porn'.

I consider (1) and (3) serious incidents...(2) drunken awkward idiot action.

2 was a drunk idiot action yes, but it showed a pretty picture of Tyler which goes waaaay too much in line with the other 2 incidents. It was a huge red flag.


But a few things struck me as weird. First, they went on a weekend trip, alone, drinked and shared a room. Sounds exactly like a romantic getaway. Of course, this won't excuse him laying an hand on her uninvited, in any case.

You dont have friends of the opposite sex I think. I seen some of my female friends in underwear. We even had to sleep in the same bed. We drank as crazy. Nothing happened because they were my friends and it was clear that there was nothing romantic/sexual in there. EVEN if there was, I would have tried to kiss them in first place, not get my dick out and invite myself to their privacy.

My god, some people seem like the have zero social experience.
 

Afrowhitey

Neo Member
Feel free to come join resetera with the rest of the decent community.

Can pm you details if you want. Site going live in a day or so.



By posting you're inherently seeking attention. Go back to skulking around and not posting.
Yes with that attitude ReserEra will be a great community. Nice first Impressions.
Already screencapped, what pretentiousness.
 

jokkir

Member
Is it a witch hunt, or is it a culmination of past events?

Because the scoop in question, about the hotel, doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm not condoning it, but it doesn't sound like sexual assault or anything to me. Drunk guy does dumb thing, gets scolded, backs off. Then gets involved, girl uses him for his network (apparently), girl feels kind of dirty perhaps fueled by metoo hype and brings him down. Thats what I conclude from her own FB article.

Those other things sound much worse to me (the Amirox case, and the revenge porn), but until last weekend this was never an issue apparently. The site was doing fine afaik. So it seems that the community was pretty much waiting with pitch forks in hand. In that case something is wrong with the way leadership is being exacted in here. The problem seems to be a personality one. I don't think not tolerating any form of feedback helps this cause. Just maybe it helps, if indeed true ofcourse, if you say 'yeah i've done some bad shit in the past, made some bad calls but i'm human as well and willing to improve myself'. I think that would've be a better solution than the way its been handled now. Though I can understand that its hard to get through the inevitable dog piling anyway.

It's how everything went down the past few days. This sums up a lot of my feelings:
The way this is all being handled is inexcusably bad, it's just a master class in bad executive decisions. There isn't much community left here, but removing the Off Topic forum because the owner of the website allegedly did something disgusting several years ago -- and was identifies -- is punishing the community for disgusting decisions that the owner of the website made.

Evilore, the Off Topic forum did not make you make the wrong decision or do the wrong thing 2 years ago or 5 years ago. The Off Topic forum did not make Amir0x download child pornography. Yes, the Off Topic forum exposes risk for your business (these three issues are examples of that risk), but the reason your business is a business is largely because the site has both a gaming discussion area (which I think is the initial draw for most members) and then an off topic area (which most members also chat in). I think most people here became members to chat about videogames, but then naturally, you chat about other things you're interested in -- sports, movies, music, or the really specific topics like the Black Culture threads, developer/programming threads, or the communities like WrassleGaf or NFLGaf. Punishing those communities because you or your former staff are exposing your business to risk with poor choices is not the right way to handle this.

There have been a number of high profile sexual assaults in the news lately, and while most folks are talking about Harvey Weinstein, Liberty Mutual -- the investment firm -- has also recently fired two employees for sexual misconduct at the workplace. It wouldn't be right for Liberty Mutual to say, "We're not having the company Christmas Party, because Christmas parties is what got us into this mess in the first place," or "We're not going to participate in social out reach because social out reach has made us look like hypocrites with these sexual assaults." No, because it's not The Christmas Party or the Social outreach program that's causing the problem: It's bad, hurtful, or illegal decisions made by you or by some former staff members.

You've always had a reputation for making brash decisions, and most of these have not faired well for you. Poorly thought out statements about Amir0x that bent the truth, came too late, and just weren't handled correctly; decisions to ban certain topics from being discussed; decisions to ban certain members or former staff, and scores of others. This, though, is clearly the worst decision and it shows in inability to accept fault. This decisions seems to simply be another projection: "I've made bad decisions in my life and business, and so the business must be punished." That doesn't make any sense, it's selfish and delusional.

You have an opportunity to make the right decision. Obviously you feel like this site is your baby and "it's your's," but this business exists in spite of you, not because of you. It can be hard for a CEO or business owner to give up something that they think is theirs, many CEOs resist this and are befuddled when their board ousts them for a business that they themselves launched. The right thing for you to do would have been to announce that you're taking an indefinite leave of absence from NeoGaf. Revenue from the site would be put into an escrow account to cover expenses and hire staff who would manage it in your absence. A board of staff (moderators, admins) would be formed to hire staff who would manage the site and support the community. Those would be base level decisions which would ensure, at least, some integrity with the site which would keep at least some members around. The site would persist and could possibly bounce back, ultimately you wouldn't be punishing your customers or your business for your own bad decision. Instead, you made the wrong decision with how this was handled and then continually made the wrong decision with how you're going to move forward with this, instead of holding yourself accountable, you're punishing the community that has made your business successful.

It shows an utter lack of self-awareness which then also undermines any integrity that you're trying to preserve against allegations like the ones you're facing.
 

Dark_Skater

Neo Member
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Fuz

Banned
Is it a witch hunt, or is it a culmination of past events?

Because the scoop in question, about the hotel, doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm not condoning it, but it doesn't sound like sexual assault or anything to me. Drunk guy does dumb thing, gets scolded, backs off. Then gets involved, girl uses him for his network (apparently), girl feels kind of dirty perhaps fueled by metoo hype and brings him down. Thats what I conclude from her own FB article.

Those other things sound much worse to me (the Amirox case, and the revenge porn), but until last weekend this was never an issue apparently. The site was doing fine afaik. So it seems that the community was pretty much waiting with pitch forks in hand. In that case something is wrong with the way leadership is being exacted in here. The problem seems to be a personality one. I don't think not tolerating any form of feedback helps this cause. Just maybe it helps, if indeed true ofcourse, if you say 'yeah i've done some bad shit in the past, made some bad calls but i'm human as well and willing to improve myself'. I think that would've be a better solution than the way its been handled now. Though I can understand that its hard to get through the inevitable dog piling anyway.

This is true, and if you're referring to me, I was only judging this last episode.
 

mattx5

Member
Have you ever made an ass out of yourself to the opposite sex? Have you ever put yourself out there and took a chance?

The female in question later on had sex with the fella. He showed his cards, and she eventually folded.

You call it harassment. I call it penis out in the shower.

life isn't a game of cards you piece of shit.
 

dacuk

Member
The only reasons I am in GAF is for the gaming news and good moderation.
You guys have one month to show me that will be still the case.
 

fresquito

Member
Sorry bud, like it or not it is what it is. Some people are going about it in a childish way, sure, but in general, it‘s fine.

Also, lol at „devaluating the word“. What value does the word „protest“ have? It‘s a super important tool for society, regardless how it’s used. It‘s not some holy word.
So, in your words, would you say my three years son makes a protest when he doesn't want to eat what we fixed for him?

Leavers just ranted and wanted attention. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't try to up their act like it was some kind upper moral move to improve the lives of anybody, because it is not.
 

thekenta

Member
To be honest, I didn't expect anything else from this community.

Every day a different witch hunt in off topic, most users claiming to be tolerant, progressive, intellectually superior saints that are kicking every member who disagrees with them.
It's the ultimate irony that the owner himself gets into trouble like this.

That being said, I also didn't expect anything else from this community than kicking Evilore when he's already down, abandoning the forum in the blink of an eye that you claimed to love so dearly.

So have fun virtue signalling how bad EL's actions are on your way out. But maybe take a good look inside yourself and ask yourself if you yourself are claiming to be an online saint pointing fingers when in reality you've done stupid shit yourself.
 
Have you ever made an ass out of yourself to the opposite sex? Have you ever put yourself out there and took a chance?

The female in question later on had sex with the fella. He showed his cards, and she eventually folded.

You call it harassment. I call it penis out in the shower.

Is it fine to do it if she folds then?
 

Gator86

Member
Have you ever made an ass out of yourself to the opposite sex? Have you ever put yourself out there and took a chance?

The female in question later on had sex with the fella. He showed his cards, and she eventually folded.

You call it harassment. I call it penis out in the shower.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, nuke this place from orbit. Fuck Evilore and fuck his defense force of misogynistic assholes. GAF deserves to die at this point.
 

mattx5

Member
lol at people complaining about witch hunts because of their conservative beliefs - do you know where the term "witch hunt" comes from you idiots? just think about it for two seconds. and then think about how tyler dismissed this woman's claims by painting her as mentally ill.
 
To be honest, I didn't expect anything else from this community.

Every day a different witch hunt in off topic, most users claiming to be tolerant, progressive, intellectually superior saints that are kicking every member who disagrees with them.
It's the ultimate irony that the owner himself gets into trouble like this.

That being said, I also didn't expect anything else from this community than kicking Evilore when he's already down, abandoning the forum in the blink of an eye that you claimed to love so dearly.

So have fun virtue signalling how bad EL's actions are on your way out. But maybe take a good look inside yourself and ask yourself if you yourself are claiming to be an online saint pointing fingers when in reality you've done stupid shit yourself.

Nope, never sexually harassed anyone, I'm good.
 

Kimawolf

Member
Resetera needs to get its house in order. I will urge anyone who is going to join that Twitter/forum be aware 4chan/gg has ALREADY infiltrated it and are posting screenshots of the mod/admin conversations, regular people conversations, peoples discord handles etc. And from those screenshots it looks like a lot of angry people shitting on other people they dont like and some really... interesting rules.

Also RESETRA needs to figure oit who on their advisors/mods whatever is leaking all your private conversations cause its painting you in a bad light.
 

oo7

Member
You guys are so funny. Keep fighting the good fight.

Fact of the matter is this.

They were drunk. Evilore jumped in a shower naked. She said no sir not today. He got out. Some time later they had consensual adult sex.

Get the fuck over yourselves you narrow minded fucks.

life isn't a game of cards you piece of shit.
Have you ever been attracted to someone and acted on it?


Jesus Christ. Yeah, nuke this place from orbit. Fuck Evilore and fuck his defense force of misogynistic assholes. GAF deserves to die at this point.
Can't handle an opposing view? Yeah let's nuke the place!
 

Chaplain

Member
I think many cultural trends have shown themselves in the past week through the allegations:

1. Virtue Signalling: "It’s noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying you hate things. It is camouflage. The emphasis on hate distracts from the fact you are really saying how good you are. If you were frank and said, ‘I care about the environment more than most people do’ or ‘I care about the poor more than others’, your vanity and self-aggrandizement would be obvious. . . . Anger and outrage disguise your boastfulness." (Historian James Bartholomew)

2. Guilt by association: "The attribution of guilt to individuals because of the people or organizations with which they associate, rather than because of any crime that they have committed."

3. A person is guilty until proven innocent: "Due process is guaranteed by both the Fifth and the 14th Amendments to the Constitution. Those accused of a crime have the right to an unbiased and speedy trial, to be notified of the charges and evidence against them, to cross-examine adverse witnesses, and to be represented by a lawyer. Due process does not guarantee justice, but without it injustice is nearly certain."
 

JawzPause

Member
Jesus Christ. Yeah, nuke this place from orbit. Fuck Evilore and fuck his defense force of misogynistic assholes. GAF deserves to die at this point.
Nuke us all because some guys on here you disagree with? I also disagree with the poster you quoted, doesn't mean i think the site should get shut down. It just requires better moderation
 
Also I feel like Evilore should make a statement about Amir0x. The more transparency, the more trust you can win back. If we keep sweeping it under the rug the more people feel distrust/flee.

If in case something like that happens again in the future, will we sweep it under the rug too? NeoGAF needs a lawyer or a PR team.

Just be more transparent is all we're saying.
 

canedaddy

Member
We'll be starting with a clean slate when they come back. However, the focus will be on the many other hobbies we may have like TV, movies, anime, writing, music, etc. Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic. Those types of discussions greatly added to the harsh and unwelcoming atmosphere of Off-Topic, which pushed many users away.
Well it looks like something good is coming out of all this, although it's probably too late.
 

Kaelan

Member
Resetera needs to get its house in order. I will urge anyone who is going to join that Twitter/forum be aware 4chan/gg has ALREADY infiltrated it and are posting screenshots of the mod/admin conversations, regular people conversations, peoples discord handles etc. And from those screenshots it looks like a lot of angry people shitting on other people they dont like and some really... interesting rules.

Also RESETRA needs to figure oit who on their advisors/mods whatever is leaking all your private conversations cause its painting you in a bad light.

Yikes. They’re fucked from the start, feels bad tbh.
 
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