It reminds the same idea spread by Seriouslolz analysts about the UE3 on Wii :| \o/
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It reminds the same idea spread by Seriouslolz analysts about the UE3 on Wii :| \o/
Trying to catch up....
Excite Truck was a fantastic game. The lack of multiplayer didn't really bother me - I played it through with a few different people on single player and we always played every second race on single player and had a great time. Obviously, it would have been great if 4 player split screen was included, but the lack thereof doesn't diminish my love for the game.
I was always baffled as to how much better Motorstorm was received by critics at the time. I enjoyed it, but it was nowhere near as good as Excite Truck to my mind. I guess it was the extra layer of shiny that did it for them.
Excite Truck was a fantastic game. The lack of multiplayer didn't really bother me - I played it through with a few different people on single player and we always played every second race on single player and had a great time. Obviously, it would have been great if 4 player split screen was included, but the lack thereof doesn't diminish my love for the game.
I was always baffled as to how much better Motorstorm was received by critics at the time. I enjoyed it, but it was nowhere near as good as Excite Truck to my mind. I guess it was the extra layer of shiny that did it for them.
It had versus for two players
UncleSporky
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Excite Truck was weird, because it felt very generic and launch title-ish to me all along but I can't deny that it was extremely fun. I wish it had some more personality.
Some people complain about Nintendo characters shoehorned into everything, but I wouldn't have minded.
And no, I didn't play Excite Bots or whatever it was.
Some people complain about Nintendo characters shoehorned into everything, but I wouldn't have minded.
And no, I didn't play Excite Bots or whatever it was.
Also, it might not of been the reason they did it, but it could simply give them the opportunity to do it.
If this is the situation, it means publishers are taking notice of Wii U, it could very easily be the shift the industry needs. (IMO)
We should watch for any rumors after E3 about Crysis 3 coming to Wii U, we pretty much know that they just don't have the man power for it, but if it gets a delay (even a slight one) it could very much mean that it then has a better than "fat chance" of coming to Wii U, being a year away doesn't really hurt IMO.
UncleSporky
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By the way, the whole custom soundtrack thing...I remember people making a big deal about custom soundtracks for every game/the majority of games. Was that on the OG XBox? I forget. And was that still a thing this gen on non-Nintendo platforms? I haven't heard a word about it in ages.
Agent Unknown
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Someone started a thread reporting a rumour from techtroid that Retro dev'd Star Fox will be at E3, if true not a launch title:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=473452
http://techtroid.co.uk/starfox-wii-u-at-e3-2012-10079
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=473452
http://techtroid.co.uk/starfox-wii-u-at-e3-2012-10079
I'd love to see it happen, but it sometimes feels like we're re-enacting 2006, where there are vague signs and hope/hype is then harvested from those signs.
To me, the "fat chance" comment was pretty demonstrative. One would never see or hear a western third-party developer speak about a MS or Sony platform in such a manner. It's a small thing, but it shows to me how many regard Nintendo compared to the others.
Refreshment.01
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I think calling it "discrediting" is an stretch on your part Eatchildren.
The feature set is what's supported on 2009 PC hardware. Frostbite 2 and Cryengine 3 sport similar tech.Let me explain my point of view. The existence of the demo is void of significance right now. It isn't showing anything particularly new tech wise (even by Epic claims, that will be with UE4). Is not running on one of the consoles or target specs for the next cycle so we could get some taste of capabilities, at least not officially. Finally, is not released as benchmark tool. Many devs could pull up some amazing polygon demos that put most current console game visuals to shame if they wanted or see it as worthwhile pursuit, with engines running in consoles today. It doesn't even show anything new or intriguing as a concept for play mechanics or setting.
I hope it is clear now that the comments aren't aimed at discrediting the demo and are sustained by what i think are reasonable arguments.
Wasn't there UE3 titles on Wii? Pretty sure..
Edit: No wait, that was UE 2.5, not 3.0.
But hey, by the same measure Wii U should support UE3.5!
UncleSporky
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Smiles and Cries
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welcome back... stay away from Anime threads!
We had that rumor in here, a long time ago. I still say it's not true. I could see a new Star Fox game, but I doubt Nintendo is having Retro do it.
woo and indeed hoo
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You haven't lost your chance! The game is still amazing and should be available pretty cheap.
Yes, that Eurogamer review was really shoddy. IIRC it came out at a time when there were masses of games that needed to be reviewed so they farmed the review out to a freelance reviewer who did a really poor job.
It was quite clear that they had a personal aversion to the pointer controls and reviewed the game from that perspective. That's fine as one man's meat etc but it makes them an unsuitable candidate to review the game.
Also, it was questionable how much they had actually played the game given that they complained about a control issue which was patently false to anyone who had played the game who wasn't incompetent.
That review still irks me as it was an unjust review for a classic game :x.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, I would have jumped at the chance to get it if I knew it also contained regular controls as a safety net.
I kept the game for Gamecube while trading in most of my other Gamecube games but I'd still be interested in picking this game up.
I remember 2006 really well, but I also understand what happened this generation, Wii's HP wasn't the main issue, neither was the controls, or that the company was named Nintendo, the issue was that publishers and developers invested in "HD" development, not the resolution as we so easily bunch it up with, but the refinement of GPU's shader technology, lack of unified shaders without a doubt was Wii's biggest problem.
Maybe you'll understand this, but not a lot of people really do, Wii was a market leader, it should of had every game, and multiplatform games should have not been so widespread, but the market leader was incompatible with what devs were doing, it wasn't a matter of Horse Power, it was a matter of bringing a boat to Nascar.
This time, Nintendo will have the same type of vehicle as the other two, it might be slower, but it will do everything devs ask of it, and that is the key difference, if it sells well, it will get games in spades from third parties, this is the key reason why Nintendo doesn't have third party support that others have enjoyed, it was because when the companies all ran the same race, Nintendo had a weak market share, with a clear market leader in the name of Sony. This time that will all be turned around.
As for your second paragraph, developers personal opinions don't matter, third party game publishers will put their game on any relevant platform they can, as long as there is money to be made there... Wii U simply needs strong sales numbers, that is all that will matter in the end.
Basically any intelligent developer should expect Wii U to sell well, not as well as Wii, but comparable to 360 numbers this gen is reasonable IMO, so what smaller developers should do is wait and see how games like AC3 and Aliens sell this xmas, while bigger publishers should que up for Wii U kits and start bringing their games over as ports, since it quite literally is a small expense to move these games to the system, especially since Nintendo is making sure engines like UE3 and Crytek3 run on it.
I know, it hurts. One of the biggest missed opportunity in the gaming world, to not take advantage properly of this mountain of golden franchises. And with their recent focus & efforts on mobile and social gaming, it could be a possibility to see them again on this kind of support yes :/ The state of the industry worry me, if even EA (they made some bad choices but still) is in this situation.
Well, in its 3D incarnations it's already leaning toward parkour with the wall jumps, etc
But it could be fun yes, imagine a Mario with huge cartoony urban-scape including tons of elements like walls, windows, stairs & steps, banisters & hand-rails, to grab to/jump from/etc. It would be called Mario Street: the plumber city life, featuring a more bad-ass Mario than the one of Mario Strikers, the cap reversed, and he will have to beat an infamous gangsta rap version of browser.Agent Unknown
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Bah, sorry. There's only so much in these threads I can keep up with, must have missed that one.
woo and indeed hoo
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Well I adore the pointer controls in the Wii iteration but, as you say, you could always pop in a Cube controller if you didn't like them. Then there's the extra content, the widescreen.....
.....have I tempted you enough yet?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Well I adore the pointer controls in the Wii iteration but, as you say, you could always pop in a Cube controller if you didn't like them. Then there's the extra content, the widescreen.....
.....have I tempted you enough yet?
Good chance I'll get it sometime, it's one of my favorite games of all time(I'd say top 5 easily).
My thing is.. even if we see the U able to run UE4 in some form, there will be other excuses. We'll be arriving at a point in time soon where technology is less of a limiting factor and it becomes more and more and more apparent that there are political mechanics that are preventing certain things from being done. As a Nintendo fan, it can be frustrating, but as a detached observer it's kinda fascinating.
bgassassin
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Terrell: Good morning. Rest-of-GAF, you look terrible. What happened?
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Hmm. My only issue with the "boat at NASCAR" argument is that this started before the Wii. Nintendo brought a pretty respectably-specc'd vehicle to the raceway one time before. It sold well initially, and even when sales dropped, its numbers were still comparable to those of another platform that was getting support. Yet we saw lots of instances of "intelligent developers" and publishers doing the whole "for xbox/PS2/PC" pattern, with the GameCube version conspicuously absent. They ignored Nintendo's racecar.
(and a snarky side-jab to the devs/pubs: if they were so "intelligent," not as many of them would've made dumb business decisions leading to so many them dropping from existence while the Wii was the market leader.)
But we shall see. I hope you are correct.
Say, IdeaMan, a while back, you said that the camera on the DRC was confirmed to be capable of facial recognition, right? And that if you were looking at the DRC, the system could allocate more resources to what's being rendered for it, correct? So, my question is: is that just a possibility or is it already happening?
I just skim through these threads nowadays, so apologies if you've already answered that question.
I just skim through these threads nowadays, so apologies if you've already answered that question.
Smiles and Cries
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hopefully Retro's talent is not wasted on Star Fox WiiU
time would be better spent on another DKR which I don't regularly purchase because I have a dislike for monkeys
I am also not a fan of Star Fox - now if it was a mix of cell-shading with the original blocky look in HD maybe
time would be better spent on another DKR which I don't regularly purchase because I have a dislike for monkeys
I am also not a fan of Star Fox - now if it was a mix of cell-shading with the original blocky look in HD maybe
The boost occurred before the V4 was released. Explained in another way, the v4 dev kits are already including the boost. Still, it wasn't to the extent that some hoped. It wasn't a giant leap in performances.
The mass production dev kits (and i'm right bp
), when they were tweaked at Nintendo offices (beginning of february ? january ?), saw a slight increase of the framerate of a "famous engine" (lherre told us that) compare to the V4, and that wasn't the UE4. We're talking about a few more frames per second (less than 10 it seems). But it doesn't tell anything in regard to what Nintendo changed in the guts of the system by the time, if you look at graphic cards benchmarks, it happens that the following generation of a chip just bring 5 more fps compare to its predecessor on an engine, but is still more modern, efficient, more powerful in other situations (other kind of things to render), support new features, etc. So basically, even if the V5 were at the time (january/february) a very moderate step up from the v4, it could (speculation, beware) include alterations that will allow UE4 to run on it or handling it better.And the good part, coming from my previous news, is that third-parties received those newest dev kits 5 weeks after the expected supply date, so Nintendo spent more time than they planned tweaking them (and assembling + shipping but all the delay isn't explained by supplying/delivering problems).
If Epic worked with Nintendo to make sure Wii U would at least run UE4, then I imagine Nintendo entered into an agreement with Epic to make sure that whatever future improvements they did to UE4 would not break that link to at least running on Wii U. Probably some kind of compensation would be involved, too. ;p
Therefore, they could still be working on finalizing the UE4 engine, just under the constraint to not lose that ability to run on Wii U. Since Nintendo is launching this year, entering into an agreement with Epic to hold onto a Wii U support line in UE4 makes sense, if they want to make *sure* that UE4 would run on Wii U.
Therefore, they could still be working on finalizing the UE4 engine, just under the constraint to not lose that ability to run on Wii U. Since Nintendo is launching this year, entering into an agreement with Epic to hold onto a Wii U support line in UE4 makes sense, if they want to make *sure* that UE4 would run on Wii U.
There are 2 reasons why that happened, first Gamecube had some limitations, that had to do with disc size and having the greatest controller in history(imo), the other was Microsoft had a dead simple box to program for, and Microsoft money hatted it's way to multiplatform land. Even paying for third parties to publish didn't really give Microsoft anywhere near as much third party support as PS3 now receives as a 3rd place console. That is because PS2 was a market leader, and I think that Wii U will be this next gen's market leader, but more inline with the 360 than PS2.
There can certainly be other interpretation of the last two generations, but one thing will always be a fact, this is capitalism, not politics, if Wii U has a market for third parties to exploit with a port of a game they are already building, it will come to Wii U from virtue that publishers want money.
Yes, the DRC camera will be capable of facial recognition, eye tracking.
For the dynamic resources allocation, it was an application idea about the camera & the asymmetrical setting of the system, that i hinted a long time ago, then someone bring a similar thought and i finally presented this possibility. But there will be some problems as even professionals with very expansive equipment, high-def cameras, see some latency for eye-tracking, etc. It could be alleviated with basic shape recognition / calibrating (not let the software try to decipher what you're seeing, but teach him "hey, when my face is like that, i'm looking at you DRC, when it's more like that, i'm viewing the TV, k ?!"), some combinations with clever programming/gamedesign of the title (the soft will anticipate what you'll focus in the coming moments because it will force you to manage a RTS content on the padlet 2 seconds after having activated something in a command board/entered into a vehicle/whatever in the TV fps mode), etc.
Refreshment.01
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Thanks for the clarification BGBW. So we can safely expect another Battalion Wars for the WiiU. Perfect fit for the system.
I see. As always, thanks for clarifying.
The boost occurred before the V4 was released. Explained in another way, the v4 dev kits are already including the boost. Still, it wasn't to the extent that some hoped. It wasn't a giant leap in performances.
The mass production dev kits (and i'm right bp
And the good part, coming from my previous news, is that third-parties received those newest dev kits 5 weeks after the expected supply date, so Nintendo spent more time than expected tweaking them(and assembling + shipping but all the delay isn't explained by supplying/delivering problems).
all in all I have to say that I love to read your posts all the time because they are stimulation for the brain!!
So, back in march/april AMD released the HD7800 or so and trinity (APU) and what else??...
Hey comment ça va ?! Content que tu sois revenu !!!! Plus de bêtises hein tu restes pour l'E3
Twenty7KVN
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I would rather see something original from them.
UncleSporky
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Hey comment ça va ?! Content que tu sois revenu !!!! Plus de bêtises hein tu restes pour l'E3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo
Smiles and Cries
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anyone else having issues with loading GAF? I was wondering if its my connection
Okay, then I'm not putting any stock in that rumor.The boost occurred before the V4 was released. Explained in another way, the v4 dev kits are already including the boost. Still, it wasn't to the extent that some hoped. It wasn't a giant leap in performances.
The mass production dev kits (and i'm right bp
And the good part, coming from my previous news, is that third-parties received those newest dev kits 5 weeks after the expected supply date, so Nintendo spent more time than they planned tweaking them (and assembling + shipping but all the delay isn't explained by supplying/delivering problems).
No, I've been good all morning, might be you.
bgassassin
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I wouldn't get too caught up on what was released at that time. To semi-translate what he's saying, it would be akin to switching your graphics card from a 5770 to a 6790. Paper spec-wise they are virtually the same, but because the 6790 is more modern there are things it can do better which in turn gives it an extra (small) boost when it comes to current games that can utilize those things. An example of what could be said is that an even more modern tessellator, like what may be used in the GCN GPUs, was added during the tweaking process.
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Rösti
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I'm having issues loading it as well. Connecticut, Danbury anyway, isn't seeing any bad weather so I don't know what it could be. Perhaps some heavy loads that aren't processing properly.
Twenty7KVN
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I had a little hiccup trying to respond to you.
Refreshment.01
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Im curious about this. Are you claiming the integrated WiiU tablet camera could do eye tracking? Do we even know the specs of the camera?
Cheesecakebobby
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I mentioned a few pages back that I used to work for Headstrong (or Kuju London as it was called). Based on the direction they seemed to be heading while I was there - pitching games to other publishers, which resulted in them developing HoTD:OK for Sega, plus the mediocre reviews and sales figures BWii received, and finally the fact that BW 3 never got off the ground on Wii, I wouldn't bet on Nintendo commissioning another Battalion Wars any time soon. They passed up the option to publish the game that became LotR for Wii (and PS3) too.
GameplayWhore
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(catching up…
Hm. I apparently missed naked anime ladies. My own damned fault for believing in getting a solid five hours of sleep every day instead of winging it.
Also, for the people saying that RE4 GCN was superior to RE4 Wii solely on the basis of the controller being better because it makes the game more difficult: I submit that you can use a GCN controller on the Wii version of the game. (edit: I see I was beaten on this by about an hour and a half… looks like I'm getting more timely as the week goes on!)
By the way… I changed my mind: Overnight happy WUST is far more enjoyable to read than overnight ragemode WUST.
*erases "BY2K" from awesome Hall of Remembrance section of next thread*
You should have stayed hidden for another weekanahaff.
Hm. I apparently missed naked anime ladies. My own damned fault for believing in getting a solid five hours of sleep every day instead of winging it.
Also, for the people saying that RE4 GCN was superior to RE4 Wii solely on the basis of the controller being better because it makes the game more difficult: I submit that you can use a GCN controller on the Wii version of the game. (edit: I see I was beaten on this by about an hour and a half… looks like I'm getting more timely as the week goes on!)
By the way… I changed my mind: Overnight happy WUST is far more enjoyable to read than overnight ragemode WUST.
*erases "BY2K" from awesome Hall of Remembrance section of next thread*
You should have stayed hidden for another weekanahaff.
Thx BG yeah that would be great also anything that they tweak would be really good for us gamers at the end imo....
btw as a side note IBM released POWER 7+ also march that year wasnt that like that?
Smiles and Cries
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time is moving so slow
its been kinda rainy this morning still cloudy... Bridgeport, Connecticut
I was wondering if it was only me
Rösti;37705273 said:
its been kinda rainy this morning still cloudy... Bridgeport, Connecticut
I was wondering if it was only me
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