Sad Affleck
Member
AC Origins to run at...
""""4K""""
Yeah. It uses checkerboarding on both so it won't run at 4K on any of them.
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Ubisoft: AC Origins To Run at 4K/30 FPS On Both Pro and Xbox X
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Yeah. It uses checkerboarding on both so it won't run at 4K on any of them.
Gudji
Member
Don't think so. The "issue" here is that it doesn't run at true 4K on Xbox ONE X.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
This isn't parity. They're essentially letting the consoles power dictate picture quality. Sounds reasonable.
boneyjangles
Member
Please stop. And I don't mean for developers to stop releasing 30fps games, I mean stop talking about them so much.
For a game like Assassins Creed 30fps will be fine. I'ts not that fast paced. As long as it's a nice 30fps implementation like uncharted or gears of war or something.
Why doesn't it hit 60hz? Well, people keep saying that like it's easy. For a start, I imagine hitting 60hz on a brand new complex game like this is probably quite a bit harder than a simpler game released 5+ years ago that doesn't look nearly as good.
Developers have said time and time again throwing GPU resources at resolution is easier than solving higher framerates for various titles.
I mean we are now with the Pro/X firmly removed from the 360/PS3 era, we have multitudes more power, and still we have 30fps games. Does that not tell you something?
To some people it seems to be outage, disbelieve, lazy devs, 'netbook cpus', Or maybe it's just that 30fps is fine for some games, and it's better to throw resources at making the game better and more complex, if available
You could release a next generation tomorrow, with double the specs of the Pro/X,guess what, there are still going to be 30fps games!! Those increased resources will be gobbled up on increased fidelity, physics and richness.
Some of the best games from the last few generations have been 30fps. I don't remember reviews stating "yeah uncharted 2 is brilliant, but it's hamstrung by being only 30fps", "gears of war might be a visual spectacle of gore, but it's 30fps horseshit - not for me".
This is unpleasant/boring new trend of technical horseshit creeping into the narrative more and more, polluting discussions on every game.
Sure, we might slowly moving towards potentially fractionally more 60fps games with each generation, and things like dynamic resolution scaling. But can't we just sit back and let it happen naturally?
For a game like Assassins Creed 30fps will be fine. I'ts not that fast paced. As long as it's a nice 30fps implementation like uncharted or gears of war or something.
Why doesn't it hit 60hz? Well, people keep saying that like it's easy. For a start, I imagine hitting 60hz on a brand new complex game like this is probably quite a bit harder than a simpler game released 5+ years ago that doesn't look nearly as good.
Developers have said time and time again throwing GPU resources at resolution is easier than solving higher framerates for various titles.
I mean we are now with the Pro/X firmly removed from the 360/PS3 era, we have multitudes more power, and still we have 30fps games. Does that not tell you something?
To some people it seems to be outage, disbelieve, lazy devs, 'netbook cpus', Or maybe it's just that 30fps is fine for some games, and it's better to throw resources at making the game better and more complex, if available
You could release a next generation tomorrow, with double the specs of the Pro/X,guess what, there are still going to be 30fps games!! Those increased resources will be gobbled up on increased fidelity, physics and richness.
Some of the best games from the last few generations have been 30fps. I don't remember reviews stating "yeah uncharted 2 is brilliant, but it's hamstrung by being only 30fps", "gears of war might be a visual spectacle of gore, but it's 30fps horseshit - not for me".
This is unpleasant/boring new trend of technical horseshit creeping into the narrative more and more, polluting discussions on every game.
Sure, we might slowly moving towards potentially fractionally more 60fps games with each generation, and things like dynamic resolution scaling. But can't we just sit back and let it happen naturally?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
It remains to be seen but in another forum I saw people speculate that it's very possible that a lot of third party developers are not going to truly bother with the extra power, since the majority of players will be on PS4 and One S anyway. So all that extra work for a system that doesn't have a huge install base. Well not anytime soon that is.
It's all speculation and we don't know, but I sure hope not.
It's all speculation and we don't know, but I sure hope not.
If they're both using 4K CBR, I can just imagine the 1X version will have settings higher.
They've already said they're using PC High settings anyway rather than console.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
You mean Ubi said that about X or developers in general?
Bits N Pieces
Member
If I'm buying an X1 later this year then I want to play games that take advantage of the hardware.
If this isn't important to Ubisoft then their games wont be important to me, which is a bit of a shame really.
If this isn't important to Ubisoft then their games wont be important to me, which is a bit of a shame really.
i fully expect 'not true 4K' to become the norm on the X. devs will use that gpu grunt to throw higher res lens flare and special effects along with smoother fps.checkerboard 4K is the new king this gen.
Ubi said that about the 1X version.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Well that's good and that's in comparison to PS4 Pro or do both versions run at high PC settings?
Well said. At some point stop worrying about what another console is doing and just worry about what you want.
If you are coming from a One, One S, PS4, it will be amazing. Just focus on that. If coming from a PS360....you lucky bastard...lol.
Basically.
Yup, just like how this gen started......
I think a guy from df said that, not from ubi.
Ubi said xox and ps4 are the same, so both would be high if thats true
Disappointed it took 3 pages to get this post.
Not known yet, but I'd imagine not.
Diprosalic
Banned
4k is fine but devs don't even make 1080p games in 60fps now we move on to 4k? Ugh.
100% agree. I'm thinking as soon as the full SDK are out they'll change their tune. I mean it is in alpha still.
Great. Now we always have to ask what kind of 4K they are actually talking about. 'True 4K', but not true true 4K.
Checkerboard 4K, and lower checkerboard 4K, but also native 4K once in a blue moon.
And when the resolutions of both Pro and XOX are aligned, the truth will be revealed to us.
Checkerboard 4K, and lower checkerboard 4K, but also native 4K once in a blue moon.
And when the resolutions of both Pro and XOX are aligned, the truth will be revealed to us.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
But the Xbox One will surely have better things elsewhere, like particle effects, draw distance, and other random jazz. And yeah, it'll likely not drop from 4K to accomodate framerate as often as the Pro does.
If this is shocking o upsetting news to anyone, then I'm not really sure what to tell you.
If this is shocking o upsetting news to anyone, then I'm not really sure what to tell you.
60fps has and will never be the standard on console. If you care about it that much then PC is your only option.
Seems my question was more or less answered. It's not the easy tradeoff I thought it was.
What's after 4k? Will gaming continue to increase?
Sad Affleck
Member
It tells me that gamers should he even more vocal about wanting 60 fps games. It certainly doesn't tell me that we should stop talking about it like you suggested.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Always something down the line. Always a new "standard".
Imp the Dimp
Member
4k looks amazing. I'm in favour of performance over style too but it's not been a priority on consoles and it won't be. People acting like 4k can't be seen or has little impact, are fooling themselves though.
Agreed, it extremely unlikely you'd even know the difference unless told otherwise too. I know I couldn't pick out a 1080p shot next to a 900p-1080p dynamic res shot, and I think it'll be even harder with 4K checkerboard. If it's the difference between stable FPS all the time or drops here and there than I don't see why it's bad.
Nameless
Member
Came to make a similar point but it's this post already nailed it.
Aceofspades
Banned
Well said, some folks are treating X as some next generation​ machine above all else. If you have trouble seeing difference between Xone/PS4 and PRO (which is more than twice as powerful) you wont see big difference between PRO and X since power gap is way smaller (similar to PS4/Xone gap)
MS just want to justify their $500 pricing of the machine.
wesleyshark
Banned
I'll be happy with downsampling on my 1080p TV thx
Bubba_Sparks
Member
Hopefully they include an option for checkerboard rendering on the PC version!
I know this will keep coming up here but moving between 1080/60 to 2160/30 is not a simple matter of flicking a switch.
Could this game run at 1080/60 on the PS4 Pro and Scorpio? Of course it could but it simply wouldn't be the same game it is now and that's not simply because the frame rate and resolution have change.
The primary reason we're in the situation that we are now with PS4 Pro and Scorpio is that both companies are trying to keep things as simple as possible for everybody involved, if they upgraded both CPUs new architecture rather than giving the old CPUs a bit of a polish, which is what has happened, then that has implications on games that were built to run on the original CPUs and there would be additional costs for publishers to deal with all the complications that a new CPU would bring to the table.
It's quite possible that if they had added new CPU architecture that developers would completely ignore it due to the install base on the original consoles, which is still where the vast majority of their income is going to come from. It'll be different when the next generation is launched because that also signifies that something is coming to an end and that's why developers will be more welcoming.
The PS4 Pro and Scorpio are essentially still just a PS4 and Xbox One, that's what they're designed to be and they are not a new generation, however it's been presented by some people. I think it's essential to remember that when building your expectations of what we are going to see on these machines.
Could this game run at 1080/60 on the PS4 Pro and Scorpio? Of course it could but it simply wouldn't be the same game it is now and that's not simply because the frame rate and resolution have change.
The primary reason we're in the situation that we are now with PS4 Pro and Scorpio is that both companies are trying to keep things as simple as possible for everybody involved, if they upgraded both CPUs new architecture rather than giving the old CPUs a bit of a polish, which is what has happened, then that has implications on games that were built to run on the original CPUs and there would be additional costs for publishers to deal with all the complications that a new CPU would bring to the table.
It's quite possible that if they had added new CPU architecture that developers would completely ignore it due to the install base on the original consoles, which is still where the vast majority of their income is going to come from. It'll be different when the next generation is launched because that also signifies that something is coming to an end and that's why developers will be more welcoming.
The PS4 Pro and Scorpio are essentially still just a PS4 and Xbox One, that's what they're designed to be and they are not a new generation, however it's been presented by some people. I think it's essential to remember that when building your expectations of what we are going to see on these machines.
wesleyshark
Banned
ISee
Member
Watch Dogs 2 had it, even with the option to increase pixel density (higher pre checkerboard resolution) for an even better IQ.
1440c with + 125% resolution looked pretty good and crisp. Still native 1440p looked a tiny bit better.
grfunkulus
Banned
You shouldn't be. I thought that too, gaming on likely two of the best 1080p displays ever made, and then went 4K oled and was amazed at the difference in a native 4K title like Skyrim on PS4 pro. Pin prick details are so clear and the contrast so epic, it finally fulfills that 'looking through a window' promise
I feel the same way. People need to drop the console wars and appreciate what they get with these things.
Want more, get a PC but for the money these seem like great machines.
This will almost certainly be the case: it's common sense.
1st/2nd party exclusive titles will almost certainly exploit the Pro/X1X and as it stands Pro will see more of those. MS could counter this by funding additional effort of course but as it stands currently Sony 1st/2nd party AAA output will be higher
Big games - like AC - will not likely invest to fully exploit premium consoles but by their nature will do so to a reasonable extent (better FPS or effects for example). As with AC most will go for near parity although x1x should show better overall performance
Smaller titles/budgets I doubt you'll see much other than what the premium consoles power can automatically improve (say smaller load times).
Exploiting the high end models require time/money and given their install base will be smaller you're simply unlikely to see many developers put too much effort to it.
That doesn't mean they're not good value but people should be realistic too what they're getting.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
AC Origins to run at...
""""4K""""
Hey, if the results are as good as Horizon's, I won't complain.
mcdomination
Member
MosquitoSmasher
Member
That's very unfortunate though. Especially when they go checkerboard 4K on X as well and still have room to spare, use it goddamn it
However there's still hope. Look at RDR last gen, 360 was the superior version with more grass and slightly higher resolution.
Yep, everyone with a 4K TV and a PS4 Pro knows this is a storm in a teacup. 2160c looks great.
……forgetit
Member
3D was a fad, 4K is here to stay my friend.