TheSpaceBetween
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I'd much, much rather have this, even without Mikami, than MGR2. Sadly it won't happen
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I'd much, much rather have this, even without Mikami, than MGR2. Sadly it won't happen
.TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yep.
direct_quote
Member
IN Super Metroid boss battles weren't boring, and Samus didn't control like a tank (let alone have boring upgrades). So no it's not close, the only thing they got right was exploration but even given that too much time was spent on scanning.
And they limited the action to the d-pad which was a terrible decision. Made it too automodey (plus other m's other faults mostly being Sakamoto's fault).
Zomba13
Member
The action and gameplay of Other M isn't what makes the game shit. It's the story and character assassinations (and the stupid pixel hunt segments).
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
If the story was awesome, it'd still pale in comparison to what Retro created.
Karsticles
Member
Metroid, Vanquish style.
Yeah no way it's gonna be a Metroid game. At this point and considering how badly in terms of sales the two PG exclusives for Wii U did, I'm sure they might actually skip the U this time if the game turns out to be multiplatform. Hope I'm wrong because I would love to see more PG games on Wii U
Net_Wrecker
Member
Would be interesting to see Platinum try their hand at an epic action-adventure title like Okami again, backed by an illegal amount of money from some publisher crazy enough to do it.
Either that or MGR2.
Either that or MGR2.
I noticed that as well. No way it's an accident. Only people who really know what's up know that Clover, a subdivision of Capcom a decade ago, broke off to become Platinum. Could Capcom has licensed Viewtiful Joe to Platinum, or could it suggest they're developing something along the same vein, perhaps a 2D game? This is really weird, and a good sign that E3 will be at least a little interesting this year!
akidnamededdy
Banned
Other M's problems can all be laid squarely at Sakamoto's feet. He's the one who insisted on limiting control to Wiimote only, he's the one responsible for Samus's embarrassing character development, etc. Team Ninja had very little to do with Other M's shittiness.
And Platinum is a much better developer than Team Ninja anyway.
can people handle a more coherent metal gear?
QuixoticNeutral
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Folks raising a ruckus about the notion of a Platinum-developed Metroid game: spend a few minutes with the Samus costume in Bayonetta 2 (complete with Morph Ball and Screw Attack, as you would know if you've bothered to play it). It feels marvellous; it's probably the best that Samus has ever handled in the third person, and more than that, it is absolutely true to how the character played in the 2D games.
No, Platinum doesn't have any established record of the kind of quiet, freeform exploratory design that is the core of the Metroid experience. I understand the concern. (Though to be fair, there is Clover's history of that kind of design with Okami, but the one respect in which I thought Okami fell far short of its Zelda inspiration was that the 'dungeon' design lacked a certain logic-puzzle element that we've come to expect from Zelda/Metroid world construction, and which Retro handled admirably in the Prime games.)
But there's the way that a Metroid environment is designed, and there's the way that Samus actually plays. And something that we shouldn't overlook about the series is that the eerie, solitary exploration stands out in contrast to encounters of high intensity. There's a certain dread going into a big fight and a great relief when you pick up the missile/energy refills after you're done. I think Platinum-style combat would fit in beautifully here: it isn't exactly clear what the Metroid analogue to combo-based medals would be (other than speed), as the rewards in a Metroid game don't scale with performance that way, but it isn't hard to imagine alternative systems to take its place.
I'm not against the idea at all. I know a lot of people feel burnt from Other M, which was announced to great excitement when Team Ninja enjoyed a similar reputation to Platinum's now, but the problems with Other M were largely with the flatness of the world design and the bland imitation of western narrative conventions. As a translation of the pure agility of 2D Metroid into 3D space, its shortfall was that the space you were playing in was only nominally 3D, and that the combat system was severely restricted by the limitations of the sideways Wiimote. With better game flow and world design, I would absolutely welcome Platinum's expertise in combat fundamentals to the series.
Of course that world design is a challenge in which the studio is as yet unproven, but really, is there anyone in the industry we would fully trust with this? Part of why Metroid has retained its prestige is that hardly anyone has ever captured its sense of intricacy. I don't see why Platinum is in a worse position than anyone else to tackle the assignment. But I'd be prepared to trust them at least as far as with a Samus that plays exceptionally well.
The main reason I don't expect this to happen is that I think Nintendo was as burnt by Other M as everybody else. Which is a shame, because I think there was a certain promise in Other M's fundamental concept of a 3D third-person Metroid that feels as slick as the 2D series. I don't think the question of how Samus ought to control in a 3D space is a settled one, not yet, and again, I say that as somebody who adored Prime.
No, Platinum doesn't have any established record of the kind of quiet, freeform exploratory design that is the core of the Metroid experience. I understand the concern. (Though to be fair, there is Clover's history of that kind of design with Okami, but the one respect in which I thought Okami fell far short of its Zelda inspiration was that the 'dungeon' design lacked a certain logic-puzzle element that we've come to expect from Zelda/Metroid world construction, and which Retro handled admirably in the Prime games.)
But there's the way that a Metroid environment is designed, and there's the way that Samus actually plays. And something that we shouldn't overlook about the series is that the eerie, solitary exploration stands out in contrast to encounters of high intensity. There's a certain dread going into a big fight and a great relief when you pick up the missile/energy refills after you're done. I think Platinum-style combat would fit in beautifully here: it isn't exactly clear what the Metroid analogue to combo-based medals would be (other than speed), as the rewards in a Metroid game don't scale with performance that way, but it isn't hard to imagine alternative systems to take its place.
I'm not against the idea at all. I know a lot of people feel burnt from Other M, which was announced to great excitement when Team Ninja enjoyed a similar reputation to Platinum's now, but the problems with Other M were largely with the flatness of the world design and the bland imitation of western narrative conventions. As a translation of the pure agility of 2D Metroid into 3D space, its shortfall was that the space you were playing in was only nominally 3D, and that the combat system was severely restricted by the limitations of the sideways Wiimote. With better game flow and world design, I would absolutely welcome Platinum's expertise in combat fundamentals to the series.
Of course that world design is a challenge in which the studio is as yet unproven, but really, is there anyone in the industry we would fully trust with this? Part of why Metroid has retained its prestige is that hardly anyone has ever captured its sense of intricacy. I don't see why Platinum is in a worse position than anyone else to tackle the assignment. But I'd be prepared to trust them at least as far as with a Samus that plays exceptionally well.
The main reason I don't expect this to happen is that I think Nintendo was as burnt by Other M as everybody else. Which is a shame, because I think there was a certain promise in Other M's fundamental concept of a 3D third-person Metroid that feels as slick as the 2D series. I don't think the question of how Samus ought to control in a 3D space is a settled one, not yet, and again, I say that as somebody who adored Prime.
snickothemule
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Vanquish: The Godhandening
I can dream.
I can dream.
Augemitbutter
Member
i'll buy anything.
HYDE
Banned
Because of its fuckingawesomeness...
Ghost Slayer
Member
Rising 2 pls
HYDE
Banned
Aaaaw yeah!!!
ArchedThunder
Banned
I... I'd be okay with this.
Professor Renegade
Banned
THE WON-STOPPABLE WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL 102!!!
akidnamededdy
Banned
Did you read more about it the next week? In game magazines?
unknownstranger
Member
I want an Okami 2 so bad. Okamiden was ok but was severely limited by hardware. I thought Okami HD did really well for Capcom.
I remember that he wanted to do a Jeanne DS game and I had to ask my mom about it.
ChasingComets
Member
Even Konami's inevitable Metal Gear Mobile?
Konami's the only thing that makes me question the possibility of a MGR2 at this point, but since it was a outsourced job, the possibility's not entirely up in smokes.
Karsticles
Member
Kamiya has said he wants nothing to do with Okami after Capcom made Okamiden.
haha. I know about his twitter stuff. Cant believe everything he says.
akachan ningen
Member
Watch it be something pointless like Anarchy Reigns or Mad World.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Of course, Retro. They are arguably the top world builders and level designers in the industry, which are the most crucial aspects of designing a Metroid game.
HYDE
Banned
or Godhand...those are Clover/Platinums worst games imo. I own multiples of every title of theirs besides those three terrible titles.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Maybe their pull out game is weak.
pointles?? i loved madworld. another woukd be awesome
HYDE
Banned
Play Anarchy Reigns.
Well for one Team Ninja sans Itagaki is garbage, and they were further hamstrung by Sakamoto. Platinum can certainly make a better game, regardless of whether it is combat focused or not.
Having said that, Other M was a fiasco so I doubt Nintendo is ready to hand the keys to that franchise to anyone other than EAD or SPD/Retro.
What the hell, why not.
I mean if Konami is going to do everything in it's power to kill the franchise off in the most disappointing way imaginable and release shit that won't be canon anyway, why not let it at least go out in style?
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QuixoticNeutral
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Well, I thought it was rather too obvious to mention, but sure, I'll give you that. Tropical Freeze was enough to prove that however much their personnel has shifted around, they're still the best environment artists in the business.
I'd have to admit that the prospect of a Retro Metroid is more appealing than a Platinum Metroid; all I mean is that the latter is still promising in its own way. And a part of me doesn't want the studio locked to that series for eternity any more than I would want them locked to DKC (in spite of having made the very best DKC). Then again, it's been a while, and in practice it's not like I would complain.
TheSpaceBetween
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Godhand is as far from terrible as you can get.
Doctor Ironic
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Oh trust me, it didn't help.
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