Kart and Smash then.
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Wii U US November Sales Estimated at 149K by Pachter
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Kart and Smash then.
Oh my god, enough with the fucking 2D platformers. Wii U is already drowning in them and we don't need them cannibalizing the sales of each other. Besides those kinds of games are beneath Retro and should be kept in the 90's. Here Nintendo has a unique western studio as an asset, and they put them on a fucking 2D platformer that any other developer owned by Nintendo can make. I'm not buying 2D fucking Metroid to support this and I can't wait to see when it is proven that 3D action-adventure Donkey Kong in space would have outsold it and catered to a demographic not already on Wii U.
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Duxxy3
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I think it would be irresponsible to buy a wii u at this point. There is no guarantee that the system will still be on shelves in a year.
When it hits fire sale prices it would be ok to buy it. Same as other unique, but failed, items.
$300 for a last gen console that may be dead within months? That's a bad purchase. Better off spending $100 more for a true next gen system that will be around in 5 years.
When it hits fire sale prices it would be ok to buy it. Same as other unique, but failed, items.
$300 for a last gen console that may be dead within months? That's a bad purchase. Better off spending $100 more for a true next gen system that will be around in 5 years.
Smiles and Cries
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as I tried to post before I got rudely interrupted by GAF servers
I will not buy DK but a Metroid using that same engine would get a sale from me
princemarth23
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I believe so, yeah. Was pretty devastating for me as a kid.
ab.aeterno
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Someone predicted a few months ago that the WiiU would meet or exceed its yearly projection of 9 million, and Xbone and PS4 wouldn't even break 2 million each.
It's not always clear sometimes when hyperbole is tongue in cheek.
heliosRAzi
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Lordwindowlicker
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Why are so many people acting as if these numbers are 100% accurate?
ab.aeterno
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He's not THAT bad at predicting numbers, and honestly, these numbers seem possible. Not likely mind you...but possible. And that's scary. And now we're discussing this pot full of crazy Nintendo's cooked up for us.
BlackBanditSho
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I will be crushed if that happens. 2D /2.5D seems to be the safe defacto design choice, but I would personally love something that shows what a Prime-like title can do. Frankly, sen if it's just an HD remake of PRIME, I'll be happy.
It's almost cruel to tease metroid fans with the offering in NintendoLand. That was an AMAZING sample of what Metroid can be on the Wii U, and the controls were flawless.
They better have a magic 3DS emulator ready for WiiU next year that upscales all 3DS content to 1080p and make it playable in WiiU.
Would buy one.
After this failure a Hybrid system has to be the next destination, Nintendos resources are thin compared to its competitors - having to split them between two so different systems is a disadvantage. Something like PS3 and PSV synergy where most engines run on both systems and make cross Plattform development easier would be good. If WiiU was the system were you could also play Luigis Mansion 2 or Fire Emblem in HD... A man can dream.
Would buy one.
After this failure a Hybrid system has to be the next destination, Nintendos resources are thin compared to its competitors - having to split them between two so different systems is a disadvantage. Something like PS3 and PSV synergy where most engines run on both systems and make cross Plattform development easier would be good. If WiiU was the system were you could also play Luigis Mansion 2 or Fire Emblem in HD... A man can dream.
Because it's really not so hard to believe. Many people were predicting exactly this as well.
Nonetheless, it is true that some people are overreacting and should wait until Thursday when the actual numbers come out because this prediction means nothing and could in fact be way off.
No one is acting like they are completely accurate. But the fact that he would estimate it so low is still worrying because it's a believable number.
And miss out on some awesome Nintendo games coming in the next five years. That's a long freakin' time, no?
2D Metroid isn't exactly a 2D platformer, at least it's very far away from "regular" 2D platformers.
Lordwindowlicker
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Which doesn't really effect my question. It's still silly for people to act as if these are facts until they have been verified. I'm not calling Pachter's abilities into question, but he freely admits that they're ESTIMATES.
That's incorrect.
Read the first page and note how many people are responding with. "Well, that's that! RIP!" based on estimates.
TheLostBigBoss
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No, I mean the horse actually died during production.
Based on his past Wii-U console sales guess history, if he's under estimated as bad as he's ever done (as a percentage), the console still hasn't even sold 260k in November.
it'll be for the 3ds and called newper metroid.
Randolph Freelander
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If you were to do that, I think you'd merit a line on the next Nintendo financials release. It would surely get you into the "shipments by regions" page.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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I'm part of the 149k lol.
150k would mean it was almost TRIPLED by the GC in a similar November post-launch period. That's sub-Dreamcast numbers.
Yikes. The GC at least was cheaper and got frequent price cuts which probably helped it not get completley decimated.
$199, Nintendo. Come on.
The horse didn't die. The kid got injured by the horse in that scene though.
Edit: There's a site that I found on google called the neverending forums, that I've looked at before. Just search for something liked 'artax horse died'. You'll find out what happened.
No one should be surprised by Wii U's performance really. I mean, we had all their other consoles indicate this was a very possible direction for sales to go. But the worrisome part is, is that Nintendo will see what was the real problem, as they've always have. They've always known exactly what kept their consoles from succeeding and instead of learning from their mistakes and rectifying any deficiencies, they decide to "be different", as if to defy expectations and market demands.
Like, if the issue was X with a console, then next iteration will do Y instead of providing X.
Super Nintendo didn't perform as well as the NES as there was less third party support because many saw Sega as a viable company to do business with.
Well, do we mend relations with them? Fuck no, they don't need no stinking CD's, carts it is motherfucker. Shits expensive. You're gonna pay for not supporting us.
Oh, wow, well Nintendo 64 didn't sell as well as the Playstation, or even its predecessor. I guess part of the problem was alienating third parties further and not projecting an image that was as cool as Sony. Guess we were not E.
Well, let's try mini-discs that are a fraction of the density of DVD and let's go ahead and market a purple purse.
This "different and defiant on purpose" strategy worked well with Wii, as it was a fad...but now they're right back at square one.
etc, etc
Like, if the issue was X with a console, then next iteration will do Y instead of providing X.
Super Nintendo didn't perform as well as the NES as there was less third party support because many saw Sega as a viable company to do business with.
Well, do we mend relations with them? Fuck no, they don't need no stinking CD's, carts it is motherfucker. Shits expensive. You're gonna pay for not supporting us.
Oh, wow, well Nintendo 64 didn't sell as well as the Playstation, or even its predecessor. I guess part of the problem was alienating third parties further and not projecting an image that was as cool as Sony. Guess we were not E.
Well, let's try mini-discs that are a fraction of the density of DVD and let's go ahead and market a purple purse.
This "different and defiant on purpose" strategy worked well with Wii, as it was a fad...but now they're right back at square one.
etc, etc
If you buy 500k units Nintendo will throw in a free Geist t-shirt
Imperfected
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As has been noted, he would have to be off by an entire order of magnitude for these sales to be anything less than awful, especially for those who were holding out hope that Mario would be the pudgy Italian savior of the beleaguered system. He essentially could be off the mark by twice as much as he's ever been on monthly hardware predictions and this would still be completely horrible news.
I suppose we should wait to see whether the news is fully catastrophic or just incredibly bad, but Nintendo certainly shouldn't be resting on their laurels with their fingers plugged into their ears. They've done quite enough of that as it stands.
pretty done
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Here in the midwest we're having the complete opposite of a heat wave. Maybe probably could have an effect on Wii U sales, we should at least wait till the weather warms up before writing it off.
Smiles and Cries
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*sigh* true HD PRIME looking something like Destiny?
You guys know these are E3 announcements
unless January Nintendo Direct is a megaton level event
Steve Youngblood
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It might be best to just wait and see how November officially pans out, but for the sake of discussion, let's assume that the November numbers wind up being pretty bad. We will have had: a follow up to smash hit New Super Mario Bros., a 3D Mario game, several party titles in the form of NintendoLand, Wii Party U, and Game & Wario (a genre that was the cornerstone of the Wii's breakout success), and Pikmin. There's also been trials of Wii Fit U and Wii Sports Club. The only real aces they have left to play are Mario Kart, Smash, and possibly Zelda if it comes out soon enough.
Basically, though I understand the point that it's worth noting that Nintendo's support hasn't been stellar, I don't understand the need for the clarification you are seeking. The GameCube performed relatively poorly. The Wii U is doing worse with worse support. I don't know what the point was of that lengthy argument you mounted was supposed to be. It seems weird to suggest that things are just getting started when there's only really 2 - 3 platform saviors we might expect over the next two years.
I've argued elsewhere that I can somewhat see people being optimistic about Kart given the Wii version's success. However, given just how poorly this entire year has gone, I'm not sure why one should assume that it's really going to be a significant gamechanger given how things have gone up 'til now. If things were simply holding steady at mediocre levels, I'd see an argument that it just needs its big hit. But we are on the precipice now of a disastrous November that saw the release of Mario 3D World -- a title some saw as potentially being such a breakout hit. And as I said earlier, other than assuming that there's some wild card we don't know about, there's not much in the way of a cavalry existing.
Other than that, the argument just seems to be that it's not fair to compare the Wii U to the GameCube simply because the Wii U has been handled so poorly for a year now. That's fine, I suppose, but it doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument in my book in terms of trying to understand why the situation will improve. If this holiday doesn't prove promising, I feel like all hopes would be on something like a ludicrous price drop to coincide with Kart. Otherwise, what about 2014 would lead someone to think it'll be significantly more promising than 2013? What need is there to add qualifiers to try and explain why poor sales relative to the GameCube are acceptable?
It seems to me that people will take anything right now and run with it. I personally don't listen to Pachter about anything when he seems to be almost always wrong.
On GAf, they're only accurate when its about Nintendo doing poorly. I think we had similar threads when the 3DS came out.
TheMagician
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I actually think Reggie kinda leaked Metroid as best he could without feeling the wrath of his Japanese bosses.
oneils
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I think nintendo's expectation was 9 million this year? So 750K a month? Don't have a citation.
I think this whole issue with Global Warming should be resolved first by our species before writing off the Wii U.
mckmas8808
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Apple isn't Nintendo when it comes to games.
I don't mind them doing their own thing. That can have incredible benefits like with the Wii. What I dislike is them refusing to follow some basic standards that other competitors set. Having long periods where no major games are released on your console is not creative or being different, it is just shitty management. You also can't act like you discovered some revolution in gaming and then just give up on it like five years later. What does that say about the company?
That they are either totally indifferent or already mentally retreating from the home console space. Seriously I know I sound like a broken record but Nintendo seem to have such apathy for the WiiU it's as if it's a chore to even have their name on it.
I feel like at this point the only explanation is that Nintendo might be transitioning somehow. I don't mean that as some cloaked 'Nintendo is doomed' 'Mario for iPhone' post but how Nintendo could expect to compete with MS and Sony with the meagre effort they put into the WiiU thus far is baffling.
ViewtifulJC
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Realistically, no.
2D game, 2D platforming segments. The lengths the anti-DK people went to to support their dream of a new Retro Metroid/IP is exactly what I was pointing out in my post. 2D DK gets announced? Burn down Retro's name and call Nintendo fucking morons for adding another 2D game to the Wii U lineup, but make a 2D Metroid and I'm sure the current attitude would have been much different considering how requested the game is here. It is a moronic double standard here and I felt like calling it out. I would rather people just say they are sick of DK and would rather have Metroid than to go through great lengths to try and persuade people that it was a strategically bad move for Nintendo.
prag16
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Yes it would be. It needs 300k to be at all respectable. And that'd still be poor sales.
Sourcez don't agree with Pachter. We'll see which BS artist is correct. At least Pachter doesn't try to pass off his figures as "real". -_-
No real chance of that. Sub 200k? unfortunately I don't think we can really rule that out.
Lordwindowlicker
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Agreed, and that's also a possibility. But when people are already saying that the mention of an estimate is enough to dissuade them in buying a console, that seems a bit rash.
It's possible (even likely) that he's correct, but that doesn't change facts. It doesn't seem rational to act as though these numbers are confirmed when they're not.
oneils
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I don't see how this chart tells us anything. He could be 64 out of 72, but what if he was only off by 5%? Also, the people making the predictions are probably not your "average" gaffer.
If the WiiU sold under 100k for November GAF would literally burst into flames obliterating everything. I alone would roam the desolate, torched wasteland that would be the Gaming forum in a beach buggy with a German shepard which is wearing goggles, in the passenger seat.
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