Size doesn't matter!
Now if I can only convince my wife of this
Nope, not implying that. I'm asking if people could conceive of a circumstance where the published specs might not tell the whole story on performance. I'm not talking about the cloud, either.
5 million transistors
You guys were both so close.5 trrillion transistors was meaningless
PS3 is actually the inferior machine of the two, and it showed.
Where were you at back then? Every other week we had developers moaning how hard it was to work with the PS3 and how the UMA in the 360 was a boon.
Nice find! Too bad the images are not there anymore.
Lol ease of use. Because opening menus on your TV by waving your arms rather than tapping a remote button is so much less annoying.That is the beauty of consumerism. Some will enjoy the ease of use of having Kinect and others will not.
Just judging by the number of defenses he's offered for MS's BS, my guess is because his PS4 will be as imaginary as Microsoft's super duper cloud.Why would you get the multi plats on Xbone?
Lol ease of use. Because opening menus on your TV by waving your arms rather than tapping a remote button is so much less annoying.
Saying "Xbox channel 44" is such a time saver over straining your thumb to tap that button.
Using Kinect to surf the web or Skype on your TV while watching a show or playing a game is so much less frustrating than using your phone or iPad. After all, why would you want to view your show on your entire TV screen when you can shrink it down to 1/3 of your TV screen so you can use Bing to look up whatever you're trying to find.
Kinect's TV functions are solutions in search of problems.
?Says the company that led a concerted effort viral marketing campaign against the Wii and its underpowered nature.
Really? I remember Major Nelson saying that the 360 was a lot more powerful than the PS3. In fact he even did an embarrassing blog post about it comparing numbers. But in fact it turned out he was right about the GPU being weaker at least, because of the Nvidia downgrade. Also there is no denying that while Cell is more powerful than the 360 CPU, it is pretty hard to tap into its full potential. This won't be the case with the PS4 anymore, because identical architecture and CPU.Exactly. This is nothing new. MS was saying similar things back in 2005/2006.
They do most of the time, but only because Sony's 1st party has the time, tools and resources to use the Cell to its full potential. Modern game development is centered around the GPU, so it didn't exactly help the PS3 that its GPU was weaker than the 360. First party was able to offload typical GPU tasks to the CPU and that way they were able to beat Microsoft's offerings most of the time.So PS3 exclusives don't look better than Xbox 360 exclusives?
Says the company that led a concerted effort viral marketing campaign against the Wii and its underpowered nature.
Congratulations.Unlike you, I don't just sit in front of my tv with my remote in my hand. Often times I'm cooking, or I have friends over and am playing a board game. saying xbox channel 44 is much better than finding the remote and switching. Saying xbox play radiohead, is better than grabbing a controller and futzing around through the menus. It is definitely useful for me, and is one of the main reasons I'll probably be switching to xbone for my main console next gen.
Congratulations.
You're right, I don't go searching for my remote while cooking, but that's because my face isn't buried in my TV all the time, so when I cook, it's not on. When friends are over, the remote is on the coffee table directly in front of the couch. Unless you routinely chuck your remote across the room, lean your ass forward and tap the button. But if it's something you're willing to plop down extra cash for when everything else in the box underperforms compared to PS4, knock yourself out (although I have serious doubts you're "switching"). It's your money.
I just can't wait for all the reports of this stupid thing bugging out and picking up sounds it interprets as commands, or people needing to repeat themselves over and over again for the Xbox to get what they're saying. That "convenience" factor is going to shoot right out the window the first time your Kinect shits the bed and you can't play any Xbone games until you get it fixed or buy a new one.
So stop assuming that it's a solution in search of problems. You are projecting your lack of use for everyone's lack of use. Don't be dense.
Calm down. Accusing someone of being a shill is unbecoming.Just what I expect out of the type of people MS hires.
Calm down. Accusing someone of being a shill is unbecoming.
Why the use case of using voice recognition requires a camera instead of a microphone is the real question.
I wasn't assuming it's a solution in search of a problem. I was asserting it. Because it is. Did I say it had absolutely zero function? Did I say you could never use those capabilities? I simply said those functions were a more time-consuming and, depending on how well/poorly the Kinect interprets sound/motion, more error prone method of performing simple tasks. Not to mention the screen shrinking is just stupid.So stop assuming that it's a solution in search of problems. You are projecting your lack of use for everyone's lack of use. Don't be dense.
Just what I expect out of the type of people MS hires.
guch20 has a very good point, nothing about kinect is worth an extra $100 and a slower system!
You are the one projecting your use cases on to others.
Hahaha. Okay, I'll take that back.I am not saying he is a hidden shill, it says he works at MS in his profile!
Why the use case of using voice recognition requires a camera instead of a microphone is the real question.
So PS3 exclusives don't look better than Xbox 360 exclusives?
Like I said before, a lot of people bought the "Power of the Cell" garbage.Before launch there was a TON of people/gamers who were pushing the PS3 as being the more powerful console.
Don't remember "Xbox 1.5"?
Pretty hypocritical when they go on about magic cloud powers and transistors.
Firstly, way to be a douche.Just what I expect out of the type of people MS hires.
guch20 has a very good point, nothing about kinect is worth an extra $100 and a slower system!
You are the one projecting your use cases on to others.
Really Microsoft? It wasn't like that for the 360.
http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/
Nope, not implying that. I'm asking if people could conceive of a circumstance where the published specs might not tell the whole story on performance. I'm not talking about the cloud, either.
So PS3 exclusives don't look better than Xbox 360 exclusives?
Well they detect when you're looking at the TV and can tell if your mouth is open or closed, so they could use that to filter out background noise from commands.Calm down. Accusing someone of being a shill is unbecoming.
Why the use case of using voice recognition requires a camera instead of a microphone is the real question.
And here we go with the victim card.Edit: Oh shit, you work at Microsoft?? Is it company policy to insult potential customers online? I never called you a name, and you called me dense. Fantastic PR you folks have up there.
Any point you tried to make about how great the Kinect will be for the average user is now shit. You're being paid to have a good opinion. I'm sure you'd gush over Surface and Windows 8 if they came up.
Microsoft.
kinect isn't the reason the system is slower. Microsoft needed 8 gigs of ram for their entertainment and media functions, and it was unlikely GDDR5 or DDR4 would be ready in time. DDR3 was the only plausible solution, with ESRAM bolted on to alleviate bandwidth issues.
Firstly, way to be a douche.
Secondly, considering the fact that Kinect was the fastest selling consumer electronic device in history, and the 360 has been dominating (at least in the US & UK) ever since it's release, you'd be downright ignorant to imply that the mass market doesn't want that kind of feature. It's an extremely appealing device, and will be even more so when people get their hands on the far more improved next-generation Kinect.
So yeah, don't project your own use cases on to others, especially when the market has obviously taken a liking to the device (even with its limited capabilities on the first Kinect).
Really Microsoft? It wasn't like that for the 360.
http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/
How is he being a douche? That Gaffer claims to work for MS.Firstly, way to be a douche.
Secondly, considering the fact that Kinect was the fastest selling consumer electronic device in history, and the 360 has been dominating (at least in the US & UK) ever since it's release, you'd be downright ignorant to imply that the mass market doesn't want that kind of feature. It's an extremely appealing device, and will be even more so when people get their hands on the far more improved next-generation Kinect.
So yeah, don't project your own use cases on to others, especially when the market has obviously taken a liking to the device (even with its limited capabilities on the first Kinect).
honestly he wasn't terrible when he was just some MS guy who put updates on his side but ever since he became more of a mouthpiece and out and spokesperson and all that he has become exponentially unlikeable with each passing day. Not completely his fault, anyone who gets paid to spout as much bullshit as they do these will come off as annoying but still.Jesus fuck. This is headache inducing to read... people like this major nelson chracter?
Just judging by the number of defenses he's offered for MS's BS, my guess is because his PS4 will be as imaginary as Microsoft's super duper cloud.
I'm sorry, I was condescending? I gave my opinion of a product I see no need for. I was then called dense for my opinion. I understand you feel personally hurt when people insult Microsoft, but let's not pretend I'm the aggressor here.And here we go with the victim card.
After the condescending and obnoxious way you responded to someone simply saying that consumers will decide whether they like Kinect's use or not, now you're gonna play the victim card just because someone (God forbid a Microsoft employee) calls you out on making assumptions on everyone's habits and uses for the Kinect.
Yeah, way to be dense indeed.
Hell yeah they did. I have yet to see anything on the 360 that touches Motorstorm Pacific Rift, Uncharted 2, or Infamous 2 from a graphical perspective.
PS3 was way more powerful, it just took developers spending the time to flesh it out to see those benefits. We're obviously not going to have that problem this time around.
How is it garbage if it allows the console with the weaker GPU to put out visuals that hover around even on multiplatform titles? In a renderer that targets SPUs you're going to get better visuals.Like I said before, a lot of people bought the "Power of the Cell" garbage.
I already answered why I prefer them. People like you are toxic for this board; talking nonsense because I don't share your views. I will keep playing my PS3, enjoy it and do the same for my PS4 while people like you will pick people apart.
I am not the douche!
lastflowers called an other poster "dense" because he did not buy into his vision!
Calling someone dense isn't in itself some terrible accusation, especially when the person IS being dense.How is he being a douche? That Gaffer claims to work for MS.
So you admit that there is a wow factor with a device like Kinect and the potential it has. And consider ing the 360 is still the best selling console month over month I'm pretty sure the Kinect is still an appealing product for most consumers.Second, how are Kinect's sale numbers recently? I'm honestly asking because I don't know. I can't assume it's still setting the world on fire though, as I haven't seen a game advertised for it in months, nor have I seen an ad for the peripheral itself. From everything I've read, there was an initial rush to buy it over the "wow" factor, but people seem to have grown bored with motion gaming. Maybe the new Kinect will prove me wrong, but this time it'll have to actually live up to Microsoft's promises.