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Xbox Breaks Xbox Black Friday Records; Windows 10 Gaming Continues To Rise
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RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I'm more impressed that last month 30% of active Steam users were on Win10. Hopefully we'll see a lot of DirectX 12 adoption for games on PC moving forward.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Nice to see them get some more success. I'm super impressed with my XB1 after a few weeks - the instant on + resume thing is great and so is laptop streaming/remote play. Some good exclusives too.
Yup, I was thinking the same thing.
Karak
Member
Ya for sure. And Sony is equally if not moreso brag loving Thats why I asked.
Last year had price drop early in the month, so probably in this year sales are more concentrated on Black Friday.
But likely sold more than 1 million, what is pretty good.
They gave away a free game and controller in the beginning of the month and gamestop gave a ton of trade credit when you trade for a new x1. I doubt sales were dead.
Huh? I don't think Sony loves to brag as much as Microsoft, personally. Also, Sony doesn't put as much attention to the US as Microsoft considering that the US only contributes roughly 30% of the PS4's global sales.
serversurfer
Member
They didn't even beat the XBox Black Friday record for hardware sales, just the XBox Black Friday record for Live engagement.
I thought it didn't work that way.
I wondered the same.
For the rest of the entire paragraph, it's pretty clear he's talking about the XBox Family collectively. Remember, this is the same guy who said last holiday, "Bone sales triple in US; approaching 10M shipped," or whatever it was he said.
So yeah, I'd say it's entirely possible that the claim should be read as, "Propelled by a strong increase in Bone sales, the XBox Family also enjoyed its second-strongest Black Friday week ever." He already told us how the Bone did on its own in the first paragraph; better than it'd ever done before.
BoboBrazil
Member
I'm not. Microsoft is basically forcing it on people if you have automatic updates on.
Not XBone hours clocked but rather XBL.
serversurfer
Member
Notice also the dig at OS X and Linux usage. They clearly feel that's an issue that needs to be addressed. Even mocking acknowledgement of other operating systems is more than you'd have gotten a few years back. Saying, "I'm still the king," implies there was some question about it.
The second best selling week includes all Xbox, so of course MS is talking about Xbox family, but in the beggining clearly said "Xbox One sales" and "making it". The second best is about Xbox One.
Aceofspades
Banned
Twist happen when you realize they didn't even break Xbox BF record!
aspiegamer
Member
Whoever has the full time job of writing up PR statements for the Xbox division certainly ears their pay. Perpetually finding new ways to word things and moving goalposts. The only actual (xbox) data point in that whole block of text is "325 million hours gaming on Xbox Live this past week" and even that doesn't define itself entirely. Which platform? With a game loaded? During multiplayer? During any game? Total time logged in? Time with at least 1 controller active? It implies apps aren't included but still isn't clear since they won't give up a number for that. Well, no. The BC hours played is an actual statistic, too. My mistake.
It's a work of art. God. It would take someone an hour to break this down line by line but the TLDR sounds great. Give this person a raise for surviving a rough year, please.
I anxiously await the NPD thread where I have no doubt that Sony and Nintendo will time moving their own goalposts as well. Perhaps we'll get some new measurement categories like "number of blaster shots deflected with lightsabers" or "number of dead Marios". I was originally going to say "number of force chokes" but I believe that was actually used already for the Battlefront beta?
It's a work of art. God. It would take someone an hour to break this down line by line but the TLDR sounds great. Give this person a raise for surviving a rough year, please.
I anxiously await the NPD thread where I have no doubt that Sony and Nintendo will time moving their own goalposts as well. Perhaps we'll get some new measurement categories like "number of blaster shots deflected with lightsabers" or "number of dead Marios". I was originally going to say "number of force chokes" but I believe that was actually used already for the Battlefront beta?
Karak
Member
Dear god. Ok. man.
Ya not a bad posting.
Damn ya that too. Thats pretty insane really.
Some of the sly little digs at Microsoft are a bit pathetic.
Great news - whether it's pr bullshit or not it's great numbers for Xbox - glad to see it doing well. It's clear the xb1 won't catch up with ps4 now - but the numbers are great to see none the less considering the awful start it had.
Great news - whether it's pr bullshit or not it's great numbers for Xbox - glad to see it doing well. It's clear the xb1 won't catch up with ps4 now - but the numbers are great to see none the less considering the awful start it had.
serversurfer
Member
Ah, but the word "it" refers to the Black Friday period, not the Bone specifically.* He doesn't say the Bone was the second-fastest-selling-XBox-during-black-friday ever. He says that, thanks to the Bone, XBox had its second-best Black Friday Week ever (in the US).
*The period was second best. The Bone wasn't second-best.
Mike Works
Member
I've read the PR in the OP a few times and I'm still uncertain: are they talking about Xbox or Playstation?
DeadOnions
Member
Ignore the last bit. It clearly states the XB1 alone is up 22% from last year.
Even if the last bit is PR fluff, it's irrelevant. The XB1 would still be above what it did last year.
I don't think so, "making it" means that Xbox One did because the paragraph begins with Xbox One, not Xbox.
serversurfer
Member
Try substituting "it" with "the Bone" and read it again. Now try again with "the week" instead. See how now it makes sense?
Try substituting "it" with "the Bone" and read it again. Now try again with "the week" instead. See how now it makes sense?
It's not clear at all.
It indeed seems to be listing the different factors that contributed to make "it" (this BF period) the second best in Xbox history. Only sure thing is Xbox One 2015 BF up 22% over last year.
Also ww sales just at the Xbox Store....the spin is endless but after their Halo 5 PR...problem is that they want successful headlines at all costs even if the datas are not supporting them.
serversurfer
Member
Right. It's the second-best week in XBox history, not the second-best week in history for an XBox.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Well, they're only able to track you if you're logged into XBL. The thing is that they can break down what you're doing when you're logged into XBL. Are you playing a game? How many hours? Are you watching Netflix? How many hours?
For each category, MS can break down how their users are using the XB1 and what they're doing on XBL. They can then go to companies like Netflix and say, "Hey, our users are using your app like this. How about you focus your development efforts our way first."
They could even lure people over depending if that engagement number is better than what their competitors have to offer. There's a reason why MS is focusing on making all of their devices work under Win10. If you take a look at Visual Studio, their huge selling point is that it will be extremely easy to make an app work for Win10 PC's, phones, tablets, and the XB1 with not much work to make them viable for each device.
Since Microsoft knows the number for Black Friday, shouldn't they know the number for the month of November as well? I mean if I'm a PR rep and there's an increase YOY for the total hardware for the month of November, I would use that number rather than a specific time like Black Friday weekend. This whole announcement tells me that YOY for Xbox One is down compare to last year for the month of November. Even if they sell 900k during Black Friday, it's not impossible that they sell only 200k for the rest of November, which makes it less than the 1.2 million last year. Don't forget that last year, throughout the month of November, Xbox One was cheaper than the PS4, but that is not the case for this year.
And if you check the bestseller list for Amazon, Gamestop, Best Buy, and Walmart, they all have PS4 at the top during Black Friday weekend and for the month of November. I don't think it will be too hard to imagine that the PS4 might marginally beat the Xbox One this November.
And if you check the bestseller list for Amazon, Gamestop, Best Buy, and Walmart, they all have PS4 at the top during Black Friday weekend and for the month of November. I don't think it will be too hard to imagine that the PS4 might marginally beat the Xbox One this November.
Try substituting "it" with "the Bone" and read it again. Now try again with "the week" instead. See how now it makes sense?
I don't agree with you, unless Microsoft tried to misleading people, makes more sense read the phrase as Xbox One sales lead to the second bigger week in Xbox Black Friday history.
Companies make spin all the time, but mislead is a bit different.
enanogrande
Member
The fact that this comes out a couple of days before PSX, where one would expect Sony to trumpet any Black Friday/Novemeber sales numbers (either in the Keynote or in any number of interviews) makes me think this is a preemptive announcement to get some some time in the PR limelight before Sony announces they outsold XB1.
I don't agree with him either with regards to that sentence, but spin and mislead is the exact same thing. You're saying they won't outright lie, which is true, but the whole point of spin is to mislead the reader into making wrong assumptions.
Isn't that his point?
Xbox One sales allow us to claim second bigger BF week in Xbox history?
But it's different from Xbox One sales alone were the second biggest in Xbox history.
But really I dunno it's not clear and straightforward.
Hydrargyrus
Member
Sounds preventive and like a non-winning discurse...
Sony is not bragging much about US sales, they aren't making a complete PR for NPD, just a brief commentary every month.
serversurfer
Member
Wut? That's exactly what it says. =/
What it doesn't say that the Bone's performance ranks #2 on the all-time chart of weekly sales for a given XBox.
It says XBox had its second-best week, thanks to the Bone. He doesn't mention it, but I suspect that crazy sale they had on the 360 helped some too.
No, spin is shape the presentation of an information in the most favorable way possible. Mislead for me is when you deliberately deceive people.
enanogrande
Member
I'm not gonna start arguing semantics here, but what serversurfer is trying to argue the sentence says (which, again, I think he's wrong about) is exactly the type of thing we see in PR spin pieces all the time. Regardless of whether you consider 'mislead' to be a more extreme, morally reprehensible level of 'spin' (or whether you consider them to be separate things altogether), I don't really see anything there that would warrant that sentence to become one instead of the other.
Yeah, thanks to Xbox One. There's nothing about Xbox 360, the PR says that Xbox One make it.
You're assuming that includes Xbox 360 but this is a speculation. Maybe you are correct, but my interpretation is different.
Oh, my bad then. I haven't really kept track of the features, but just recall reading some posters' intentions on doing that.
His point is that the phrase doesn't mean just Xbox One but Xbox One and 360. For me is Xbox One alone.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Just how many 360 can still sold in 2015 November?
Anedoctal by people that worked in Black Friday is that 360 is dead.
I know but if you say that you read the phrase as "Xbox One sales lead to the second bigger week in Xbox Black Friday history" to me you're agreeing with him as well because that phrase doesn't mean Xbox One sales alone were the second best in Xbox history. It means that Xbox One sales were the leading factor in achieving that goal.
Btw I don't think that 360 sales were particularly huge in any case. 100k best case?
Still it would better if sales were XB1 alone.
serversurfer
Member
Second-best week for XBox, not second-best for an XBox.
Yes, it's thanks to the increase in Bone sales. Maybe the best BF for XB was last year, and they sold 500k XB2 and 500k XB3. So if they sold 300k XB2 this year but still managed a total of 900k XB to have their #2 week ever, that'd be "thanks to" the 20% increase of XB3 sales to 600k, right?
Oh, me either. lol Thought I remembered some being baffled/angered it didn't work like that. /shrug
The PR says that Xbox One sales were up "making it" the second best BF week in Xbox history.
What is making? Xbox One. For me the phrase doesn't allow to include Xbox 360. Maybe an english professor could clear up.
360 sales probably was very low.
Hadn't WalMart the 360 in their Best Selling List?
I don't know. Walmart had some special deal that other retailers didn't had?
ethomaz
Banned
Are these numbers accurate?