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Xbox One adds Xbox 360 backwards compatibility
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what are you talking about?
Freedom = $1.05
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OG Xbox emulation, while not impossible, is pretty much unneeded. Just about any decent game on the xbox has been ported to the 360/XB1.
So that leaves maybe a handful of games trapped on that machine that haven't been ported elsewhere, like JSRF (which can be played on the 360 via its BC) and maybe a few others.
I don't see where it would make business sense to add that emulation to the XB1, especially given that they would need to pay nvidia to properly do that emulation.
So that leaves maybe a handful of games trapped on that machine that haven't been ported elsewhere, like JSRF (which can be played on the 360 via its BC) and maybe a few others.
I don't see where it would make business sense to add that emulation to the XB1, especially given that they would need to pay nvidia to properly do that emulation.
ipukespiders
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*Throws copies of Panzer Dragoon Orta and Shenmue 2 in the wood chipper*
Ummm, what good is this? That's like saying you can play all 360 games on a 360.
Freedom = $1.05
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well, for one it's available to play outside of the OG Xbox. So there are some options.
I just don't see a scenario where OG Xbox emulation is worth the time or effort. We should instead bug the publishers of the last handful of decent games still stuck on that machine to port them elsewhere. It's much easier to convince Sega to bring PDO or JSRF to other platforms with resolution and framerate improvements than it is to get Microsoft to pay Nvidia for the privilege of letting people play those games in mostly 4:3 resolutions on XB1.
No, I get what you're saying about it being worth the investment. I just thought it was a bit weird to cite 360 BC (which in JSRF's case was already a bit crap) as a reason why it wouldn't be required for XB1. I can appreciate that it OG Xbox backwards compatibility won't happen... but I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of legitimately good/great games that are stuck on it... and most honestly have even less hope of being ported, than there is of being emulated. Sure we may get JSRF and (probably not) Panzer Dragoon Orta. But we're not gonna get stuff like Rallisport Challenge, Project Gotham 2, Sega GT 2002, Dead or Alive 3 & Ultimate, Gunvalkyrie, Metal Arms, Ninja Gaiden Black, and countless other games stuck on that console... let alone multiplat games that are stuck like Timesplitters. Pretty much everything that you'd require the BC for outside of a handful of Sega titles (and that's only because they're more receptive to bring back older games) is essentially a lost cause.
akilshohen
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Can someone explain why Microsoft is paying NVIDIA to emulate the OG Xbox? Trying to grasp my head around it.
Did they have to pay for the emulation that was on the 360?
Did they have to pay for the emulation that was on the 360?
I know why it feels so different for me. It's because I was sending a lot of clips the first day that I played and with my connection it was a bad idea. I am maybe more adjusted to it too.
I would really like to see some option to turn off auto uploading of clips or upload only when not playing. I don't know if that is possible though.
I would really like to see some option to turn off auto uploading of clips or upload only when not playing. I don't know if that is possible though.
Yes to both.
Z_Y
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RowdyReverb
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I'm also curious to know the source for this. Do they pay ATI or IBM to do BC for the XB1 as well? I have heard that the NVIDIA chip has been the stumbling block for OG Xbox emulation, but idk how that translates to royally fees
stan423321
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It's sort of more complicated than that.
The deal for making the original xBox was relatively slanted in nVidia's direction compared to a typical one. Basically, nVidia just shipped the GPUs as "black boxes guaranteed to work", and when they decided to stop making them, MS couldn't make xBoxes anymore.
This heavily complicated making compatibility code for 360 since nobody outside nVidia had an exact idea how did the thing work, and nVidia wasn't willing to share, expecting MS to buy next generation of their GPUs.
Diablohead
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The one big plus side to this BC, those damaged discs may still be useful.
Also I forgot how bullshit some moments in gears 1 can be, the RAAM battle I still don't fully understand it and it has too many cheap deaths.
Collateral22
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Same situation as you, do you notice the framerate drops to like < 15fps at times? I don't remember it being that bad and don't know whether it's just the way it's being emulated or if it's the disc. My Digital Mass Effect is like it too with horrible choppy performance.
The super simplified explanation is that Microsoft doesn't own the hardware "design" of the original Xbox.
They do, however, own the design of the 360, which they paid AMD to make for them. Microsoft can license out the 360 to anyone to manufacture - which they have to do anyway, AMD has no foundries.
edit: or to put it another way
With the original Xbox, MS did the rough equivalent of going to the store and buying parts off the shelf and mashing them together into a PC case.
What happens when you put in the gears 1 disc? When I put mine in non scratched it says error and to make sure it's a Xbox one game message. It's not prompting me to download the game or anything. I am on the preview.
Collateral22
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It should stay install disc, click on it and it will prompt you do download the game (7.1GB)
It just told me that an update is available and proceeds to download the game. Maybe your disc is even worse than mine? I know mine didn't work on the 360.
That might just be the result of BC, since it's still in preview I'm hoping these are temporary issues.
Why is Black Ops II considered the best CoD by so many fans?
Diablohead
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It's the emulation, sometimes in heavy loading points the game will stutter and get choppy for a moment, other times you get frame drops from the game having a lot on screen and the emulator having a mix of forced vsync and the way it handles data.
Mass Effect is rather bad becaus that game was full of tearing, with the vsync rendering of the emulator you are getting half frame rates due to it.
Fairly certain I played this on Gamecube.
Although I agree in principal that some degree of Original Xbox BC would be nice, at least for the games available on Xbox Live, even if I can't really see it happening.
Black comes to mind as another great game that still looks great and is highly playable.
Modern Warfare 3 and Ghosts had incredibly bad maps because IW map makers left for Respawn Entertainment, and Advanced Warfare is a huge departure from classical CoD gameplay.
Activision says Black Ops 2 engagement has risen to over 11 million monthly average users
Activision can milk it hard with something like remasters of Black Ops 1&2 as DLC for Black Ops 3.
If that were the case, BC would work with USB storage. It has everything to do with the licensing fees required by nVidia.
BC allows companies to continually sell old games for the new system.
What do you mean "make it BC for free?" In order to play a game via BC you will either have to own the disc or own it digitally. When BC officially launches, all BC enabled games will be available for purchase in the Xbox One storefront.
Part of selling BC to publishers is the simple fact that it opens up another sales channel with zero work. Yes, some are using BC as pre-order incentives, but that's secondary.
Others have covered it, but simple answer is nVidia owns the IP to the graphics part. It's a consequence of using off-the-shelf parts rather than paying for a custom design.
where did you read this?
I'm almost certain it was part of the original announcement, but even if it's not, all the games are downloaded from the server already. Even when you put in a disc all it does is look up the ID and download the game. It's not a huge stretch to say they'll all be available digitally.
drotahorror
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Another benefit for me would be if they allowed me to use MS cards to buy 360 digital games on their website or via XB1. Why do I need a 360 to buy digital games with MS's money cards?
TheyTookOurJobs
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Pretty cool feature. Nice to hear they're including this.
Diablohead
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no visible changes when I checked it out the other day.
BluenoseGames
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So, since all future 360 Games with Gold titles will be backwards compatible. What are your 360 predictions for next month?
Mine are :
I could also see a Splinter Cell Conviction and Blacklist bundle kinda like Metro this month. After all Blacklist was on the wheel so it could be a thing.
Mine are :
- Borderlands
- Mirror's Edge
I could also see a Splinter Cell Conviction and Blacklist bundle kinda like Metro this month. After all Blacklist was on the wheel so it could be a thing.
Borderlands is on sale right now, I don't see that happening.
Plus BC is not officially released yet, so they still may give non-BC games I guess.
Mirror's Edge would be good to push Catalyst's sales (they didn't annouce it as a preorder bonus, right?), but they would give it later (Catalyst releases in february).
BluenoseGames
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It is? I better jump on that.
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Sweet, its only £3.75 and never played the series before so gonna buy it now.
They said all future Games with Gold titles will be Backward Compatible at Gamescom.
they seem to be testing the Bring Down the Sky DLC so probably related to that
don't know why the boxart didn't load right. the tile is just the normal ME boxart
Hoping we see Red Dead Redemption as a GWG in the upcoming months, would be an awesome way to announce Rockstar is on board with BC too. If all the GWG's are titles that were already announced to be BC (First Party, Borderlands, etc) it would cheapen the gamescom announcement a tiny bit imo.
BluenoseGames
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That would be amazing! Imagine if they added GTA IV in the same month as well,that would be insane.
Hmm, I never thought of that. EA Access could be another subscription I need to buy. God help me.
If they remade the games, like for example if they decided to remake conker live & reloaded for rare replay, would they still have to pay nvidia since it technically would not be emulated?
be careful about posting stuff like this. Someone is going to think it's real without reading your next line.
You're right, I've edited my post. I got a bit carried away.