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[The God]

Exactly. That's all this will be. They're not going to do something as stupid as put a 4.5 better hardware system out there.

b-but muh Final Fantasy XV 4k60fps

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Like I said in the last thread, anybody who doesn't want this just sounds selfish to me.

Your PS4 games will still work. Your future PS4 games will still work. You don't like this cause you don't want to spend money for the best product? That's fine, but why keep it from everybody else?!?

Slim models happen every gen now, and some come with more benefits other than a size cut.

Because he wants everyone on the same playing field, and not to feel like his hardware is inferior.

Anybody for this is a sucker.

Spoiler

See how that works its idiotic

 

[Tankard]

This feels stupid.

 

[wapplew]

I have no problem they upgrade CPU+GPU a little like PSP 2000, a little higher clock speed.
Games load a little faster, run more stable and that's it.

 

[Alx]

Like I said in the last thread, anybody who doesn't want this just sounds selfish to me.

Your PS4 games will still work. Your future PS4 games will still work. You don't like this cause you don't want to spend money for the best product? That's fine, but why keep it from everybody else?!?

Some people don't like the idea because it breaks the illusion that "my console is a beast". With static hardware they can still believe that what they own is something special, with hardware upgrades it reminds them that any hardware is obsolete from the day it releases, because technology always improves.
As far as I'm concerned I'm in favour of such upgrades if only because it may help killing the cult of resolution/framerate in console gaming. Hopefully some people will realise those aren't that fundamental and you can still have fun if you're not playing the "superior version".

 

[mnz]

Kotaku's sources explicitly mentioned games running at 4k.
So this is really a hardware revision.



Option 1 it is.

I mean technically they can then run on 4k when all the standard are met. Like Frogger or something, yeah.

 

[The Last One]

Yeah, I get it. Some games will probably perform better and that'll be it. I just want some benefits for those not interested on 4K yet.

Yep, but I guess that if you're not interested in 4k the reason to upgrade is not really there. Well anyway, we'll have to wait because we don't have much Information.

 

[RK128]

So, this is more or less a PS4 Slim with 4K options and being slightly faster (something along the lines of the PSP 1000 too PSP 2000 jump)?

Sounds a lot better then what the original rumor indicates honestly .

I could care less about 4K, so if that is only the 'big' selling point to PS4K, then their really is no point for me to get one !

Great! I can get a PS4 this year with little worry about a massive upgrade making my new console out-dated in 1-2 years. Thank you for covering this OP .

 

[Man]

Kotaku's sources explicitly mentioned games running at 4k.
So this is really a hardware revision.

Option 1 it is.

Really hoping for option 1. Go all the way.

 

[FantasticMrSnake]

My guess is that 4K is for media content, I don't think gaming at 4K it's possible keeping the < $400 price.

Anyway, it would be a nice update, but people will complain a lot, specially with the amount of PS4 already in the market.

Exactly my thoughts

Exactly. That's all this will be. They're not going to do something as stupid as put a 4.5 better hardware system out there.

 

[Son of Flounder]

Kotaku's sources explicitly mentioned games running at 4k.
So this is really a hardware revision.



Option 1 it is.

Quoting myself, they might be just doing this: "As for games, they will be exactly the same as PS4 games currently. The only exception might be an update to the SDK to allow UI elements to be rendered at 4K on top of the regular framebuffer at 1080p so the UI/HUD doesn't look blurry. They may also throw in some new hardware solution to do the best possible upscale."

A built in upscaler might have many advantages over the TV's built in upscaler such as reducing latency.

 

[Movalpolos]

Okay, let's look at this logically;
- Some additional hardware is required to output 4K media
- Some additional hardware is required to work with PSVR

It makes a lot of manufacturing sense that if you're doing a hardware revision to cover one thing, that you might as well cover both at the same time.
The only people that 'miss out' are the early adopters who bought the non-4K PS4s and the breakout box-required PSVR bundles. But they're early adopters, they don't get to complain about things like later hardware revisions, and will also probably be the first people lining up to buy the new SKU anyway.

That would add additional and unnecessary cost to add the VR breakout box.
They will want to keep the price low to compete with other 4K media players.
The VR breakout box will stay bundled with the headset unless VR really takes off.

 

[On Demand]

Would be hilarious if it's just a PS4 slim with 4K output for media.

You mean it would be fantastic. New hardware should be left for next generation.

 

[Padinn]

I don't see how they get 4k without going to zen with hbm memory. Since these new consoles are x86 based the upgrades should be easier in theory from a dev perspective.

 

[Kezen]

Quoting myself, they might be just doing this: "As for games, they will be exactly the same as PS4 games currently. The only exception might be an update to the SDK to allow UI elements to be rendered at 4K on top of the regular framebuffer at 1080p so the UI/HUD doesn't look blurry. They may also throw in some new hardware solution to do the best possible upscale."

That does not dovetail with what the devs said to Kotaku.

My bet is still on option 1.

 

[BruceCLea]

My 980 Ti struggles to do 4K and it's the size of half the damn console. I don't think you'll be seeing the new PS4 doing 4K anytime soon.

But with upgraded internals, what does that mean for regular gaming? I expect it will help keep Sony competitive with VR (obviously).

Will this fracture the market for developers?

 

[oti]

Would be hilarious if it's just a PS4 slim with 4K output for media.

That's what I expect at this point. Maybe some "4K Game Experiences" here and there but nothing substantial.

 

[Navid]

This Eurogamer article doesn't offer much in terms of actual new information other than going 'hey, we also have a source that is saying Sony has a new PS4 SKU in the works''... At this point most of everything we are hearing is 3rd (maybe 4th) person word of mouth with little actual detail or specifics being nailed down.

For all we know this thing could be a PS4 slim with 4K media output capabilities with little to no changes in terms of gaming hardware power / It could be a full on revision with new hardware to boost gaming performance / It could be a PS4 with a focus on VR and have the break out box built in.

At this point if Sony was smart they would come out with some official info to put a end to all these rumours/speculations (assuming they are even planning on releasing it and it's not just internal prototype stuff) but I'm sure they will bury their heads in the sand and pretend nothing is going on until E3.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

#TeamOption3

also

#Teambuyanyhow

 

[Zedox]

I'm all for it. As long as compatibility is there...keep it moving with technology.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Anybody for this is a sucker.

Spoiler

See how that works its idiotic

Not even sure what you're trying to say. I'm looking at this as a PS4 Slim with some new features until Sony officially says otherwise.

I think 4k tv owners will welcome this. I walked into best buy the other day and was kinda disappointed I couldn't try those new 4k/uhd blu-rays out on my ps4.

Some people don't like the idea because it breaks the illusion that "my console is a beast". With static hardware they can still believe that what they own is something special, with hardware upgrades it reminds them that any hardware is obsolete from the day it releases, because technology always improves.
As far as I'm concerned I'm in favour of such upgrades if only because it may help killing the cult of resolution/framerate in console gaming. Hopefully some people will realise those aren't that fundamental and you can still have fun if you're not playing the "superior version".

That's exactly why some people don't like this. I don't mean to sound like a dick about it. I understand money doesn't grow on trees and it's understandable to be a little upset your "relatively new" product isn't so "new" anymore. But at the same time just because your yard doesn't grow, mine shouldn't grow either is just selfish.

 

[Cynn]

It specifically rumors more power is being given to developers. I don't get where all of you claiming it is just for 4K media.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Not even sure what you're trying to say. I'm looking at this as a PS4 Slim with some new features until Sony officially says otherwise.

I think 4k tv owners will welcome this. I walked into best buy the other day and was kinda disappointed I couldn't try those new 4k/uhd blu-rays out on my ps4.



That's exactly why some people don't like this. I don't mean to sound like a dick about it. I understand money doesn't grow on trees and it's understandable to be a little upset your "relatively new" product isn't so "new" anymore. But at the same time just because your yard doesn't grow, mine shouldn't grow either is just selfish.

I mean im kinda for it too(need more info) its silly that for the last 4 threads people not for this happening for whatever reason gt called all these different things.selfish,cheap,entitled,poor etc

 

[Movalpolos]

My 980 Ti struggles to do 4K and it's the size of half the damn console. I don't think you'll be seeing the new PS4 doing 4K anytime soon.

But with upgraded internals, what does that mean for regular gaming? I expect it will help keep Sony competitive with VR (obviously).

Will this fracture the market for developers?

I doubt we are going to see any performance improvements in an iterative console like this, I think it will just support what Eurogamer mentioned (support for 4K, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 and HDR and a new 4K BluRay player) with enhanced multimedia capabilities being the focus (bundled with the BluRay Remote etc.).

As for games, they will be exactly the same as PS4 games currently. The only exception might be an update to the SDK to allow UI elements to be rendered at 4K on top of the regular framebuffer at 1080p so the UI/HUD doesn't look blurry. They may also throw in some new hardware solution to do the best possible upscale.

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[jfoul]

Even if this isn't a huge hardware upgrade, I hope MS/Sony go to a yearly refresh cycle. When they went with X86/64, they broke the shackles of the console generation. The user base doesn't reset with new hardware anymore, and we can get upgraded standards (HDMI 2.0, AC Wireless, USB 3.1). A yearly refresh will make sure I will always have an upgrade path that suites my needs.

 

[onQ123]

To tell the truth it seem like EG is just as in the dark as anyone else

 

[Bad_Boy]

I mean im kinda for it too(need more info) its silly that for the last 4 threads people not for this happening for whatever reason gt called all these different things.selfish,cheap,entitled,poor etc

I only used selfish. Those other words are kinda pushing it. Just because you don't like upgrading doesn't make you poor, entitled or cheap.

How is it not selfish?

 

[LostDonkey]

We all know how loud the current model can get at 1080p, are we really expecting a slim model that can output 4k?

I can't see it being a slim AND output at a higher res.

But, this is Sony and they pulled off some magic cramming all the current tech in the normal PS4, so...

Very interesting now.

 

[Movalpolos]

Even if this isn't a huge hardware upgrade, I hope MS/Sony go to a yearly refresh cycle. When they went with X86/64, they broke the shackles of the console generation. The user base doesn't reset with new hardware anymore, and we can get upgraded standards (HDMI 2.0, AC Wireless, USB 3.1). A yearly refresh will make sure I will always have an upgrade path that suites my needs.

Not happening.

 

[G-DannY]

4K for games... Probably only for indie 2D platforms...

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I only used selfish. Those other words are kinda pushing it. Just because you don't like upgrading doesn't make you poor, entitled or cheap.

How is it not selfish?

Well sorry at least you agree just got tired of all the shit flinging because some others aren't on board(yet).

As far as selfish I've seen some selfish ass posts I'll give u that.

 

[rambis]

The PS4 slim talk doesn't quite make sense with this rumor. Slimline consoles don't come with additional GPU power which has been mentioned a few times in these rumors. They also aren't R&D'd with developers, as there is no spec change.

 

[Rellik]

4K for games... Probably only for indie 2D platforms...

I'd be surprised if even those ran in 4K on a console this gen.

I still think it's just going to be media for 4K.

 

[Javin98]

Hardware stagnation is my arch enemy, so you can imagine how ecstatic I'm at the prospect of more powerful fixed platforms to be released.
I think the time is right for an hardware upgrade, it makes perfect sense considering PS VR and 4K gaming on the rise.

Option 3 would crush me, honestly.

My main point was already in my previous post, but I'll repeat. Even if we get a significantly more powerful console, it is practically impossible that Sony will not abandon suppport for the OG PS4. They have been making all the right moves this gen, there is no way they will ruin it all with one disastrous move. So, with the OG PS4 to develop games for as well, we'll be seeing something very similar to cross gen games anyway. I know PC gamers love GPU tech constantly getting improved, but the chance for a big leap in visuals with the release of this hypothetical PS4.5 is next to none. In the meantime, enjoy Star Citizen!

Also, I hate to break it to you, but option 3 seems to be the most likely scenario for now.

 

[LordRaptor]

That would add additional and unnecessary cost to add the VR breakout box.
They will want to keep the price low to compete with other 4K media players.
The VR breakout box will stay bundled with the headset unless VR really takes off.

You're assuming the tech inside the breakout box can only be used for the specific purposes of the breakout box though; if that tech handles everything necessary for 4k media output (all the DRM mechanisms, frame scaling, HDMI 2.0 and USB 3) it makes more sense to just integrate that on a redesigned mobo than to create a second bespoke solution.
The only people with 'wasted' tech would be people who buy a PS4k and already own a PSVR with breakout box bundle, and it lets future SKUs bundle just a headset much more easily.

 

[Bad_Boy]

We all know how loud the current model can get at 1080p, are we really expecting a slim model that can output 4k?

I can't see it being a slim AND output at a higher res.

But, this is Sony and they pulled off some magic cramming all the current tech in the normal PS4, so...

Very interesting now.

Smaller/Faster processors that use less heat are a thing. PS4 tech is very old.

It's possible.

Well sorry at least you agree just got tired of all the shit flinging because some others aren't on board(yet).

As far as selfish I've seen some selfish ass posts I'll give u that.

Yeah I see no reason to put people down. Thats dirty.

Agreed.

 

[OléGunner]

Exactly but hey -- there's something out there that's better so I automatically got "screwed"!

I could understand some of these replies if the PS4.5 would instantly end support of the PS4 but there are absolutely no signs of that at all.

Not sure why people buy tech early if they don't like the possibility of what they have being outdated by a newer/updated model. It's silly in my opinion.

Eh?

I think people are fine with a new PS4 that just adds 4k media and upscaled gaming support and that's it.

Where there's a problem is people don't want a massive upgrade that leaves them far behind. I can already even picture exclusive games that are totally gimped on the older model PS4

If it's like that PSP 1000->2000 update then they are no issues as the games run essentially the same on both hardware.

 

[NZerker12]

So, this is more or less a PS4 Slim with 4K options and being slightly faster (something along the lines of the PSP 1000 too PSP 2000 jump)?

Sounds a lot better then what the original rumor indicates honestly .

I could care less about 4K, so if that is only the 'big' selling point to PS4K, then their really is no point for me to get one !

Great! I can get a PS4 this year with little worry about a massive upgrade making my new console out-dated in 1-2 years. Thank you for covering this OP .

I wouldn't just assume this, there is still a chance the 4K version could still be slightly more powerful.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

It specifically rumors more power is being given to developers. I don't get where all of you claiming it is just for 4K media.

The argument is that it's primarily for 4K media. More power is given to developers, sure, but how much? I doubt it'll be enough to allow for AAA games to display natively at 4K. Don't be silly.

At best it'll be 4K indie games and maybe a bit more juice for AAA games. So BF5 will be 1080p/60fps instead of the inevitable 900p/60fps.

 

[Ikuu]

Maybe this one will be able to run Dark Souls 3 at 30FPS.

 

[Sorral]

More of a PS4K than a PS4.5. It seems closer to a PSP1000 > PSP2000 that fixes a lot of issues with the internals and adds features.

I felt that a PS4.5 would hurt the PS5 later and prolong this generation longer than necessary.

Maybe this one will be able to run Dark Souls 3 at 30FPS.

As much as I love From Software, the framerate issues don't seem to be going away from the Souls games unless you're on PC.

 

[jelly]

I think it's basically AMD moving on from previous designs, offering Sony and Microsoft better stuff for a similar price so why not accept up to date better tech.

 

[RK128]

It might be more powerful like how the PSP 2000 was more powerful compared to PSP 1000 with it having various effects on games (60 FPS for some titles like the Mega Man Marverick Hunter X with no slowdown, the GTA games running better, ect).

I personally would rather then the making the PS4 outdated and Sony isn't stupid (....I hope their not at least :l), so a PS4K being only a slightly more stronger but not that much stronger is far more realistic then a PS5 being just named PS4K and 'promising' support is still coming to current PS4 owners when the reality is it will be completely side-lined within 2 or so years.

 

[c0de]

Maybe this one will be able to run Dark Souls 3 at 30FPS.

You'd still have the framepacing issues, though.

 

[maniac-kun]

Here is the complete interview with SCE Vice President Masayasu Ito about the PS4K in oktober 2015:

http://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999024/20151021121/

Its in japanese so use auto translate. it mentions playing old games in 60 fps and that Playstation will be forward compatible from now on.

 

[RK128]

I wouldn't just assume this, there is still a chance the 4K version could still be slightly more powerful.

I say this in a later post but I expect the power jump to be like the PSP 1000 too the PSP 2000, so faster load times and slightly better performance for some games.

Outside of that? Nothing else really.

 

[JohnDrake]

Damn. This is no good. What am I gonna do with my PS4 lol?

 

[DieH@rd]

I'm hoping for a #1 option, but only if software transition is seamless and if console costs 400&#8364;.

Everything from PS4 needs to work on PS4K without issues, with either identical performance [if the game is for example hard locked to 1080p30], or with visual improvements.

For that I would gladly upgrade my launch PS4.

 

[Movalpolos]

You're assuming the tech inside the breakout box can only be used for the specific purposes of the breakout box though; if that tech handles everything necessary for 4k media output (all the DRM mechanisms, frame scaling, HDMI 2.0 and USB 3) it makes more sense to just integrate that on a redesigned mobo than to create a second bespoke solution.
The only people with 'wasted' tech would be people who buy a PS4k and already own a PSVR with breakout box bundle, and it lets future SKUs bundle just a headset much more easily.

If this is going to release in 2016 or 2017 I seriously doubt that it will be included.

 

[wapplew]

Eh?

I think people are fine with a new PS4 that just adds 4k media and upscaled gaming support and that's it.

Where there's a problem is people don't want a massive upgrade that leaves them far behind. I can already even picture exclusive games that are totally gimped on the older model PS4

If it's like that PSP 1000->2000 update then they are no issues as the games run essentially the same on both hardware.

Not essentially same, faster loading speed and more stable frame rate.
Which is cool in my book.