GillianSeed79
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Yeah, this is pretty much my sentiment as well. At least with Page and Dafoe, the acting will be probably be better though.
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Beyond: Two Souls - Review Thread
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Yeah, this is pretty much my sentiment as well. At least with Page and Dafoe, the acting will be probably be better though.
SuperSonic1305
Member
What is good gameplay in an adventure game context?
FullMetalx117
Member
to people who already have it- is it better than heavy rain? more or less the same? That's basically what im looking for.
Four_Chamber
Member
Not at all surprised by the reviews for this "game"- you better have much better writers than the crap QD employs to make games like this work. The gulf between this and TWD is just massive.
semiconscious
Gold Member
& it'd seem that a few of his fans plainly love cage no matter what. so, where does this get us, exactly?...
enjoy what you enjoy, no matter what anyone else says/thinks. you'll be happier, & likely live longer
...equippedwithtowel
Member
Are they lessened in a movie or linear game?
I realized that there was only the illusion of choice, I just don't give a shit.
Sorta Maximus
Member
I thought of this while considering Beyond Two Souls: How does this compare to The Walking Dead The Game? They both seemingly exist for story only, yet the reception was drastically different between the two.
Edit: I see I'm not the first to think of this, sorry!!
Edit: I see I'm not the first to think of this, sorry!!
Do you also think Grim Fandango and Day of the Tentacle are terrible because of their gameplay?
Games take many forms. Mindless shooting with tight controls is less interesting to me now than well-crafted stories, whatever form they take.
(Note: David Cage has yet to write a well-crafted story. I'm definitely not referring to Beyond or Heavy Rain with this comment.)
I guess to me that makes very little sense. Emotional resonance is everything. If someone asks me what I thought of the new Sherlock Holmes movie. I'd tell them it was boring, generic action porn with an unintelligible script that claims to be more than it really is. On top of that I was highly annoyed by all of its various geriatrics. This summary would describe dislike. On a 0 to 10 scale. I'd give it a 3 because it describes what I felt durring the movie. I thought it was terrible.
Whereas if someone asked me to give my thoughts on a movie like The Tree of Life. I'd describe it as superlative, a rich odyssey on the themes of life and death that harkens back to our youth and innocence celebrating all there is between joy and suffering: a heartwarming journey through the rigors of life. On that very same scale I'd rate it a 10 because it evoked bliss.
This to me is the way most critics of film and literature write their reviews. They don't have a checklist of items that state what a movie or book needs to have to be considered good. But if you look at game reviews and as you can see we still have people with their checklists. It needs to have this many choices. It needs to be this open. It needs to have... etc. This is a problem. As I tried pointing out earlier.
The perfect Dark
Banned
But that's a different genre.
I doubt you'll get a consensus.
Judging from the impressions in the OT, responses are mixed. Some liked it more than Heavy Rain, while others didn't.
Good puzzles.
thats the developers problem to figure out/be creative/innovate
im not the designer im the consumer
all i know is the mediocre interactive parts of TWD isn't it
The "gameplay" is more or less identical, with some added mechanics involving the second character (which don't really add much). The story is very different. It's non-linear and more of a character study than anything else. It's more of a mixed bag than HR - some very touching and poignant moments mixed with a lot of very dull stretches.
The Longest Journey is one of my favourite games of all time, but it didn't have good puzzles. They were obtuse as fuck.
dragonbane
Member
I think it is better than Heavy Rain in every way. It mostly ditches the main story (which was Heavy Rain's biggest fault) and puts the focus completely on character scenes (which was HR's best part).
EmptySpace
Banned
& it'd seem that a few of his fans plainly love cage no matter what. so, where does this get us, exactly?...
enjoy what you enjoy, no matter what anyone else says/thinks. you'll be happier, & likely live longer
wrong.
1) EmptySpace is not cage's fan.
2) there are fans who find things that they do not agree with.
3) these reviewers who hate blindly and have an agenda can taint other people's perceptions and misguide them, which can affect sales and might affect future projects.
VibratingDonkey
Member
Really wish people would stop thinking along the lines of "if I don't like a thing no one should".
Go play any of the other million games that aren't like this and be happy, and you know, accept that different people may like different things.
Even though it's had a mixed reception, I'm excited to try it out. Just picked up my copy, and y'know what? I'm okay with the interactive movie experience. If I can make it through both Heavy Rain and MGS4, I can make it through this and I'll probably love it like I did those two. Not every game has to be driven completely by the gameplay mechanics. If I want that kind of pure gameplay experience, I'll play some Super Hexagon.
Sorta Maximus
Member
The more I think about it the more I like the balance of story to gameplay better in games like The Last of Us. I'm skipping this and possibly The Walking Dead games too.
Some of the side characters are a little iffy, but the performances from the main cast are consistently good.
True. They're not for everyone, but they're definitely for me. I love this stuff.
walking fiend
Member
Yeap.
Wow, reviews are all over the place! To be honest, it's more a question of the review system for many other genres being broken than the reviewers failing here. Nevertheless, I'm sure Cage is an easy target for some reviewers who want to earn som pseudo credibility.
IMO, Beyond is much better than Heavy Rain, and I very much enjoyed my 12 hours with the game
IMO, Beyond is much better than Heavy Rain, and I very much enjoyed my 12 hours with the game
Yeah, I thought TLoU struck the balance exactly right. It achieved what I think QD is aiming for in terms of interactive storytelling, much better than they ever could.
dragonbane
Member
Yeah. Some crappy actors, but they only have 2 lines. Everyone with more is pretty much excellent.
OK.
BrittonPeele
Member
My take at The Dallas Morning News (not scored): Beyond has a lot of flaws, but overall I liked it. I'm also the kind of person that liked both Indigo Prophecy and Heavy Rain, though, so keep that in mind.
3rdamention
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walking fiend
Member
i dunno i find it condescending, i dont like the genre, whatever the fuck that genre is, i assume he means 'teh qte genre'
these games are unique, and that is why i like them, so to me the genre being alluded to is the "unique-and-interesting-game" genre
dragonbane
Member
I don't think so. The Last of Us is a very short game when you strip out all of the shooting and stealth parts (that I loved that don't get me wrong).
Quantic Dream aims to tell a story through gameplay constantly without interruptions. The Last of Us does very well here, but the story is constantly interrupted.
The Last of Us is a fantastic game by the way, but not at all what Quantic tries to achieve. At least that's what I think.
SneakyStephan
Banned
By world building I don't mean sandbox games or open world games.
ff7 built an interesting world with interesting places, bioshock infinite tries to do the same.
I enjoy it when a videogame is a place of wonder, you don't have to write down 200 pages of tolkien esque tropes (more like tripe) or shitty cop drama/thriller to tell a story, you can just have an interesting world that the player wants to visit and explore.
A cool world can be combined with gameplay, character exposition mostly can't.
I like VLR too but that doesn't pretend to be a game, it's a virtual novel with some puzzles, it's 90 percent dialog and reads like a book. (although I think it's also poorly paced, but that's because they make you skip through the story over and over again and redo choices to get to the proper ending, blurgh)
You don't even run around with a character you just interact with a UI and forward dialog.
Heavy rain tried to pretend to be a game, and it was a poorly paced game with terrible gameplay that was boring to play, the story pacing was held down by the gameplay and vice versa.
Imagine if they mixed VLR with recettear dungeon crawling or persona turn based battles and grinding , it would destroy the pacing of the story even more, then imagine they'd try to inject the story into every moment of the gameplay and you'd end up with something like heavy rain.
I think for example if you stripped the drama out of attack on titan it would leave an interesting world to make a videogame out of, but they could never turn the manga interactive and it not be a pile of shit.
um Destructoid? Edge?
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
So Beyond Two Opinions or Beyond Two Bombas, which one will it be?
Oyashrio-Sama
Member
Rev3's review was really glowing! Can't wait to play it!
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I actually think we're on the same page. I believe games reviews should focus on the reviewers experience moreso (and thematic aspects and the like) than any technical aspect.
But film and literature reviews often do include mentions of technique in the writing or filming, sometimes to their discredit.. It's why scores need to be done away with, we focus on games reviews much more as a 'buyers guide'.
theignoramus
Member
reviews are needlessly harsh and spiteful. Game doesnt deserve Epic Mickey tier reviews when its superior to its higher scoring predecessor in almost every conceivable way. But then these are the same people that foam at the mouth at Rockstar's amateur and juvenile social commentary, so little stock should be placed in what they think.
people saying bomba, ok heavy rain stayed pricey for a long ass time, so if someone is genuinely considering waiting for a "bomba" when do you reckon that will be and based on what?
I would hope they would be 'interrupted'. It's a fucking game.
dragonbane
Member
It will do alright, thanks to Sony's marketing. Not great though.
Taste. I like both and Beyond is very much a game to me.