Not that suprising then I guess. After playing Alpha, I'm fine with their decision.
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Bungie Explains Why Destiny Is Not 60fps On The PS4 And Xbox One
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Not that suprising then I guess. After playing Alpha, I'm fine with their decision.
Vire
Member
I'd love for Destiny to be 60 FPS. At the same time though, if that comes at the cost of player count in the open world, AI, size of levels or lighting - I don't really want it then.
Bungie has never been the most technically accomplished studio either so I feel like it's kinda futile hoping for more than what we got in the alpha. They have made significant strides at least since Halo 3... It's like hoping for From Software to make Bloodborne 60 FPS, it just isn't going to happen. That doesn't stop them from being two of my favorite studios though.
Your analysis is sensible, if you believe that Bungie's PR statement had a shred of truth to it.
My guess is that Bungie feels like they need the image quality of their next-gen version to Destiny to have a semblance of parity with other fall 2014 games, and their engine simply isn't in a state where they can get 60 fps while achieving that.
Bungie hasn't had a great track record with their game engines -- they couldn't manage to get 720p/30 fps on the Xbox 360 until Halo: Reach, and even that effort was put to shame by what 343 did graphically in Halo 4.
cripterion
Member
Well if enemy A.I in alpha is any indication, doesn't bode well for retail..
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Deleted member 17706
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I thought he meant next gen version of a game that also appeared on last generation consoles.
Vire
Member
I thought the AI was great on Legend difficulty in the Strike. Hiding behind cover, captains teleporting to safe spots, being aggressive when you are low on health.
The Librarian
Banned
Enemy AI was pretty good in the Alpha.
Eh, the A.I was pretty impressive, especially on Strike in legend difficulty.
Methinks you played it for like an hour or 2, and then went ''Meh, not for me''. Just an assumption, don't take it personally.
I think that Bungie probably appreciates the performance overhead that a locked 30 fps on PS4 offers, especially with the unpredictable nature of what can be displayed on the screen at any given time in a game like Destiny.
I'm trying to remember the last time we had a forreal locked 60 fps game on the scale of Destiny on these new consoles. It always has dips and such. At this point it's a bit unrealistic to really hope for 60 fps games, sad to say.
I'm trying to remember the last time we had a forreal locked 60 fps game on the scale of Destiny on these new consoles. It always has dips and such. At this point it's a bit unrealistic to really hope for 60 fps games, sad to say.
Someone should tell that to Gamecube PSO. You could do local and online coop.
Andronicus
Banned
Parity or nah?
MDSLKTR
Member
Yup the IA was up there with the halo skirmishes.Eh, the A.I was pretty impressive, especially on Strike in legend difficulty.
Methinks you played it for like an hour or 2, and then went ''Meh, not for me''. Just an assumption, don't take it personally.
NullPointer
Member
Fair enough, and well put.
Definitely better to actually play against than to watch in those pre-alpha streams. When you're in it you can really feel the combat flow, and thats where Bungie does their best work.
Well, I wouldn't want them to go 60 FPS if they couldn't keep it locked at all times IMO.
the AI need to be done on the servers, or? If you play with other peoples against AI´s you cant let each client calculate their own AI. So AI shouldnt eat ressources of the consoles.
cripterion
Member
Eh, the A.I was pretty impressive, especially on Strike in legend difficulty.
Methinks you played it for like an hour or 2, and then went ''Meh, not for me''. Just an assumption, don't take it personally.
Nah I played it till level 8. AI was like any other mmo AI, with the aggro and what not. Maybe I was expecting too much.
Yup and I imagine they feel the same.
Killing_Joke
Member
All the downgrade for a 10%-20% sales split. Shame.
But the game is fun as hell and respectable graphics if the scope is as big as they say.
But the game is fun as hell and respectable graphics if the scope is as big as they say.
matty2Dfraud
Banned
The co-op portion of this game is just fine at 30 fps and the multiplayer is junk anyway. 30fps will do.
And it's funny how schizo NeoGaf is. In the alpha threads it's all how amazing and great it is. Now it's all boo Destiny, boo crossgen! lol
And it's funny how schizo NeoGaf is. In the alpha threads it's all how amazing and great it is. Now it's all boo Destiny, boo crossgen! lol
A lot of games that are locked at 30 fps could easily do 35-40 if they were unlocked. As primarily a PC gamer who almost always adjusts settings to play at 60 fps, Killzone SP felt like it might as well have been a locked 30.
Also, the scale of Killzone (including very obvious use of skyboxes) really takes away from its impressiveness, IMO. I think I'd take certain levels of BF4's SP (particularly the hurricane/tank mission) and some of AC4 over Killzone. Killzone, graphically, reminds me of a less impressive Crysis 3 PC (admittedly, this is probably an unfair comparison).
I'd be certain it is more than that
SneakyStephan
Banned
They should put this on the back of the box.
Exactly how I feel.
This makes me a bit sad :-/
Andronicus
Banned
Vire
Member
Watch Dogs had 25% on last gen if I'm not mistaken. Even at 25% of sales, that's still around 2 million copies sold.
Probably still worth it in the minds of the publisher.
More importantly even with this analogy... you're getting 1080p on next gen and I REALLY don't see that happening on last gen. So yeah, you're paying more you're getting more, it's probably more like in order to not break compatibility with older hardware they won't do any upgrades that could really ratchet up your internet, IE getting everyone on fiber or something.
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Deleted member 17706
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Wait... what?
Where are you getting 8 million Watch Dog copies sold? It didn't even do two million in the U.S.
Also, where is this 25% split coming from?
cripterion
Member
Lol.
More seriously as much as I'd like the game to be 60fps, I'm fine with 30. But they gotta do something about the FOV, it's nauseating.
Canis lupus
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Well let Destiny 2 be 60fps and not cross gen.
I feel like Naughty Dog will set the 60fps standard with UC4 which all devs making action games will want to copy. If the best is doing it, the others will follow and not wanna stay behind. Suddenly 60fps will become the hype on the console scene.
I feel like Naughty Dog will set the 60fps standard with UC4 which all devs making action games will want to copy. If the best is doing it, the others will follow and not wanna stay behind. Suddenly 60fps will become the hype on the console scene.
Vire
Member
Correction, just looked it up it was 4 million sold in the first week and I imagine many more copies have been sold since then.
24% split
76% on next-gen
So roughly 1 million copies they'd lose out on.
Something to remember about Naughty Dog or anyone else setting standards: Call of Duty was THE most successful FPS last gen and almost every other FPS and TPS that wasn't some retro re-release was 30 fps, and many of those were too.
Maybe last gen was just kind of awkward for getting 60 fps without significantly compromising higher resolution or newer visuals, but you'd think if publishers and developers thought it was that important to follow in the footsteps of others in regards to fps they would've been starting to get their games at 60 fps regularly after 2007.
Maybe last gen was just kind of awkward for getting 60 fps without significantly compromising higher resolution or newer visuals, but you'd think if publishers and developers thought it was that important to follow in the footsteps of others in regards to fps they would've been starting to get their games at 60 fps regularly after 2007.
Fix The Scientist
Member
I can handle 30 fps in destiny but after playing the alpha i think bungie need to add motion blur, the fov could also do with improvement. It feels like a really "rough" 30.
symphonask
Member
Yep - Naughty Dog earned a ton of respect from me when they decided to go 60fps (same with 343i). They could have easily kept pumping out 30fps games and no one would have minded.
Canis lupus
Member
They'd definetly lose sales but at the same time next gen only would probably mean a lot of those PS360 owners upgrading consoles to get Watch Dogs so I don't think they'd lose out exactly on that 24%.
I do wonder what they could do with 30fps though.
Vire
Member
Seems a little silly to even compare Uncharted to Destiny though. One is a tightly scripted, linear game, the other features huge open landscapes roughly 10 times the size of a single Uncharted level.
Of course it's much easier to hit 60 FPS...
rokkerkory
Member
I don't know why anyone would be up in arms about this. Bungie is a great established dev that's not gonna short cut and ALL of their games have been 30fps.
Why expect anything else other than great games from them?
Why expect anything else other than great games from them?
digoutyoursoul
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The Alpha was superb too (.imo)
ShinMaruku
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They will never tell the real reason. They been media trained too much.
Join us next week to find out how the Wizard came from the Moon!
Skyr
Member
Thats what I thought too. It could really benefit by a right dose of motion blur.
It only started to become one or the other this past generation with some exceptions like the Gears of War games and stuff like that.
Canis lupus
Member
Should Destiny be 6fps then cuz it's 10x larger?
They could do marginal update on the graphics of Destiny 2 while all work just goes into making the game 60fps and I would be okay with that. Destiny even being a cross gen game looks amazing, you see the alpha on PS4 and you'd have a hard time saying it's cross gen. Minor updates on that + increased fps would be fine.
Of course, I'm not advocating for 60fps, I just want solid frames at 30 or 60 doesn't matter. The last thing you'd want is wonky ass frames.