How do you propose educating those deceived and ignorant people when they only believe sources that reinforce their own beliefs?
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Colin Was Right: The Gaming Industry vs Donald Trump
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How do you propose educating those deceived and ignorant people when they only believe sources that reinforce their own beliefs?
"We" will be okay. Lol, this dude. Also dips his toe into Brexit saying the pound has recovered.
Trojita
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You are hearing this first from Colin? lol. His "prediction" has been said by everyone and is a mere fact.
FinaruDensetsu
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It's true but this really only works with either close family or friends trying to convince them. I remember a post here on GAF of a son speaking to his father in the way Colin's suggesting. That was extremely powerful. Sure that might work and you know what? Anyone in that position is likely doing it already. Because generally people do speak respectfully to family and friends even when they disagree. At least I hope people with friends and family who support Trump are doing this.
Scolding people and telling them to be nice and respectful to literal strangers who want them dead or gone is silly. I'm not going to walk up to David Duke and try to respectfully reason with him why his beliefs are misplaced. I mean come on.
RedAssedApe
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lol If "Colin is right" really is an inside joke and is him poking fun at himself...he'd take the L and change the name of his show to this for certain topics.
Holundrian
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ScientificPizza
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If you call a Stormtrooper a Stormtrooper you might as well go put a white helmet on because that makes you no better than a Stormtrooper
boiled goose
good with gravy
So.... He is right on some points, but then he applies a crazy double standard.
The trigger for his video seems to have been the "fuck you to Trump supporters" tweet.
He supports not dehumanizing each other. Great!
When Trump calls Mexican immigrants rapists, wants to ban Muslims, insults women and African Americans left and right, mocks disabled people... isn't THAT dehumanizing???
Or are those things part of the civil and respectful conversation.
Seems Colin knows Trump supporters with whom to have this type of conversation, but perhaps he doesn't know enough PoC or Muslims with whom he would be embarrassed to even begin breaching these dehumanizing topics.
Perfect. Glad I'm not the only one who felt that way.
The trigger for his video seems to have been the "fuck you to Trump supporters" tweet.
He supports not dehumanizing each other. Great!
When Trump calls Mexican immigrants rapists, wants to ban Muslims, insults women and African Americans left and right, mocks disabled people... isn't THAT dehumanizing???
Or are those things part of the civil and respectful conversation.
Seems Colin knows Trump supporters with whom to have this type of conversation, but perhaps he doesn't know enough PoC or Muslims with whom he would be embarrassed to even begin breaching these dehumanizing topics.
Perfect. Glad I'm not the only one who felt that way.
Uh, what? I fall in that group and I haven't heard anything like that.
Edit: Oh, you're talking about the rumored EO. I'm watching that, but I'll wait for something official. Also, shitty fact, my state already allows people to get fired for sexual orientation. People have been trying to add it as a protected group, but it always gets shot down. Luckily, my company has taken a strong LGBT stance.
A Link to the Past
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There's a thread on OT talking about the leaked executive order that would protect "religious freedom" in all walks of life:
Green Mega Man
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Garrett Hawke
Member
Yup.
It's the whole "being sexist to sexists makes you worse than them"/"being racist to racists makes you worse than them" shit all over again.
RIPNoooo Neil, don't fall for Colin's white moderate 'why can't we come together with the nazis' bullshit
:'(
I would politely point out the bs in the second half of the video but I don't want my twitter to be brigaded
Either you learned some alternative history that i was not aware exists. However as far as i know post WW1 Germany was in a vastly different place from modern day USA. In fact the situation could not be more different. This is the equivalent of Russian ambassador being assassinated in Turkey a couple of months back and people comparing it to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand as some sort of parallel that could lead to WW3.
Would someone, anyone that keeps talking about reasoning with Trump voters answer this damn question already. Please. Extra credit for marching over to r/thedonald and providing evidence of it working.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Not even then sometimes...
Well hopefully they still try. My family in Taiwan didn't support Trump but they had agreed with some of the things they were proposing regarding the economy. I sat them down and eventually got through to them that even many of his economic ideas are rooted in the discriminatory nature of his nature and that you have to take him for the entire package not just nitpick things you may like.
Getting someone to change their belief isn't about some magic word that causes a sudden 180 but rather a gradual chipping away of the foundation of that belief. So I hope people with close friends and family who obviously aren't going to be the target of discrimination by those family and friends do keep trying.
gamerMan
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Colin does have a point that America needs to come together and stop this fascist President in office whether you are a liberal or conservative. We need to talk to each other because our Democracy is being threatened right now.
I would have like to see him take this a step further and truly mean what he is saying. At the end of the video, it would have been great if Colin announced what Kind Of Funny is doing to help the cause or even told viewers what they can do to help the industry that we love.
Something like instead of bitching, moaning, and tearing the house down over this Muslim ban and its threat to the video game industry, Kind Of Funny donated some of its proceeds to the ACLU. You can too.
Even raising money for the ACLU would go a long way to making his argument stronger and more meaningful. At the very least, there should be a link to the ACLU. Maybe they did, but Colin should have announced it to show that something positive can be done.
I would have like to see him take this a step further and truly mean what he is saying. At the end of the video, it would have been great if Colin announced what Kind Of Funny is doing to help the cause or even told viewers what they can do to help the industry that we love.
Something like instead of bitching, moaning, and tearing the house down over this Muslim ban and its threat to the video game industry, Kind Of Funny donated some of its proceeds to the ACLU. You can too.
Even raising money for the ACLU would go a long way to making his argument stronger and more meaningful. At the very least, there should be a link to the ACLU. Maybe they did, but Colin should have announced it to show that something positive can be done.
yeah, don't get me wrong, i'm totally against insulting every single person who voted for Trump. Because i still believe, just like many Democrats, many Republicans underestimated him, too.
I'm judging every person who still sides with him, though.
And i'm judging people who want to discourage protest. Nothing is going to stop Trump, other than continuous public resistance. And sometimes protests end up in damaged property - that's just how things go - because even amongst the most peaceful protesters there's bound to be some bad apples. It's super shitty and shouldn't happen, but in the big picture, a few smashed shop windows are a low price to pay in the fight against the deconstruction of democracy, the dismantling of critical press, the destruction of the environment and the removal of so many people's rights.
Because often times, insurance will cover those damages.
There is no insurance that will pay off your deportation, your new found lack of civil rights or a society that discriminates against you.
Tinfoilhatsron
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ScientificPizza
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Yeah, for the amount of people who spout this stuff, how many actually try?
And of the few who do, how many succeed?
The whole proposition of let's talk this out comes from a place of inaction, it gives people a moral high ground without having to do anything
boiled goose
good with gravy
I honestly don't know.
In the US we still regard religion as some special type of protected belief. Politics has entered the same realm.
We have to decide collectively as a society if we actually care about believing things based on reality, facts, evidence, and reason.... or not. You can't say these things apply to everything except religion now... because politics now gets added in.
So, if you are a religious moderate who opposes Trump? Where do you personally stand? How can you tell people to care about facts? To have standards to justify beliefs?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Noooo Neil, don't fall for Colin's white moderate 'why can't we come together with the nazis' bullshit
:'(
Keihart
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I agree with you in that if someone is threatening you, you shouldn't put up with it, like hate speach and so on. But, and i think this is very important not to forget, when we make claims like "all nazis should die" even if it sounds right it isn't, we are taking every individual that fits the term "nazi" and making them equal, wich is not how reallity works, they are individuals at the end of the day, and not everyone is as commited or sure of what they are being a part of just because they fit the bag.
The only difference before the election was he was only saying all the awful shit he was going to do, he just couldnt do it yet. If people who voted for him are JUST NOW figuring out their mistake, they are either idiots or cowards. I have no sympathy for either of those.
Doctor_Thomas
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Sadly, the approach of "diplomacy" has failed with the Nazis. Appeasement doesn't work, understanding their position doesn't work because their position is one of intolerance. These are the same people who love to call people "triggered libtard snowflakes" for being outaged at the actions of the right wing, but then get all upset when media doesn't pander to them - politics in TLOUP2, boycots of Rogue One etc or when companies come out in defence of minorities. Colin has, time and time again, put finance above people. He's a businessman, I don't blame him. I think he's intelligent and well read, but the Ayn Rand bullshit is just that, bullshit. So, no, it's not time for the industry to try to make common ground or for anyone to make common ground with Nazis. Resist. Question everything. Be a pain in the ass because if there's one thing they can't handle it's people not falling in line.
ScientificPizza
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Yeah, there's no excuse for anyone who voted Trump. He never hid who he was and what he wanted to do. If you voted for him you don't get to acted shocked and appalled now.
Great video by Collin and I'm sympathetic to the "don't dismiss people with different politics" view. But yeah, this is not really a matter of politics. Trump is evil. There's no debate around this. It's not hyperbolic or sensationalist or biased. It's plain fact for any moral person. There is no "coming together" with that.
Primethius
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Noooo Neil, don't fall for Colin's white moderate 'why can't we come together with the nazis' bullshit
:'(
Not like this. Maybe he just hasn't gotten to the second half?
Alex_Mexico
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He was doing so well until the very end. The developer said they didnt want Trump voters to play their game, not "conservatives" so they didn't tell Colin to "fuck off" just for being a conservative. He claims he didn't vote Trump so I dont get his last bit.
Otherwise that was a great video
Otherwise that was a great video
Garrett Hawke
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Wouldn't surprise me, he doesn't seem to have very much time. Most of his games have like 1% or 2% for trophy completion lol.
But when tweeting about politics you really should make time, especially with the current situation as awful as it is.
Icyflamez96
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It confused me too. Though I can only assume he was stretching it out to "conservatives in general" when he said "people like me"
spazimoose
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Has anyone done a synopsis of the video? Not giving this any views.
ScientificPizza
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Anyway if one more pseudo-intellectual white boy tells me I just have to be nice to the Nazis I'm gonna blow a stack
People keep talking about how "The Empire's gonna blow up a planet! The Empire's gonna blow up a planet!" It's been nearly twenty years since we got an Emperor and the Empire still hasn't blown up a planet. Typical Rebel hysteria. But I do know the Emperor's bringing back our jobs from those damn Wookies.
Why do you give a shit what's in a video that you don't want to watch?
I took it more as a broader statement on developers not wanting certain groups (no matter who they are) playing their games, which he touches on. He probably misaligned himself with them to make a point, but I agree with the bigger picture view that games should be played by everyone, and that a differently expressed opinion, if compelling, can change someone's view on something (hopefully for the better).
"We may be advocating the banning of a group of people based on their religion and nation of origin and actively try and take away the rights, freedoms and entitlements you so vigorously spent the last 100 years fighting for, but aren't you guys the 'real nazis' when you disagree with us?"
Really liked the episode and I though it was well researched and he had reached to a lot of the involved parties. The last part about ROM's tweet was a stretch from him though.
One missing points regarding tariff is retaliatory tariffs from other countries which could further spike prices.
One missing points regarding tariff is retaliatory tariffs from other countries which could further spike prices.
Schopenhauerian
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This reminded me of something Lime mentioned before. Was that post ever confirmed?
Also would be interested in any research or other type of material that discusses how best to approach debates with folks who are (slightly to moderately) bigoted. My naive thoughts on how best to discuss contentious issues within the relatively friendly confines of NeoGAF obviously wouldn't work.
Retromelon
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I didn't watch the whole video, its 20 minutes long, but it seems like Colin is more angry about the 2064 devs telling trump voters to fuck off than he is with Trump telling tens of millions of immigrants in 7 countries to fuck off with his bullshit ban
Heart of Black
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Seems par for the course. Colin was one of the first people to talk about my game in the press, but then he also had a video talking about immigrants that was super ignorant and I immediately went into, well fuck that guy, territory.
Shame he hasn't changed.
Ricky Ricardo
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Noooo Neil, don't fall for Colin's white moderate 'why can't we come together with the nazis' bullshit
:'(
Did he say he disagrees with Trump? Did he say he disagrees with 2064 ROM devs?
I think your answer is in there
MasterOfPastures
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Noooo
:'(
*Touches ceiling with astronomical left eyebrow*
I might have to repost this in every ND thread from now on. A sobering image, to temper the hyperbole found in them.
dantevsninjas
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1) You said discrimination. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
2) White Supremacy is not an opinion. Fascism is not an opinion. This is not a difference of opinion, stop pretending it is.
3) You and Colin are both wrong.
I'm not mad at Colin for this. I definitely don't agree with the last 10 minutes or so. Anybody failing to see a vote for Trump as an expression of enfranchised bigotry is naive. Trump supporters deserve all the rebuke they're getting. Given the social and financial ramifications Trump's policies are having on the games industry, devs have no reason to extend an olive branch to the same people who willfully put them in peril. Colin's hearts and minds argument is, as he almost admits, overly optimistic, but I can't be mad at optimism.
Fucking this.
I'm a half-black, half-asian muslim who looks mexican. Under Trump's administration I'm being attack on all three fronts.
What the fuck am I supposed to do with racists? Why is the onus on me to reach out and come to a compromise with them? How do you even reason with racist bigots? Give them a hug and kiss them when they make a boo boo?
Colin can fuck off with this "coming together" bullshit. That's easy to say when you're in the position of privilege and power (aka being a white American)